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Hi Al,<br>
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If you do generalize electrons to encompass all solutions in a 4D
relativity space, if would be a very powerful viewpoint change that
could help us understand the mathematics better in some (perhaps
most) experiments and observations. That is a very good effort. But
it could also lead to more missed points, wrong assumptions and
screw up the underlying mathematical equations so that their
solutions become overly complex and perhaps even non-finite in other
experiments and observations. It is like comparing apples and
oranges, or flux and charge, or location and momentum, or Feynman
path integrals and wave functions. We always can have both views and
others as well. It depends on the observer and the experiment which
one is more convenient to work with for the person interpreting the
result.<br>
<br>
Hopefully we can some day work with the same underlying mathematics
whichever basis we choose to describe its solutions in. <br>
<br>
Going back and forth between a photo-electron representation and a
photon representation is IMHO like doing scattering a experiment. We
need to get rid of both representations and start looking at the
underlying and common mathematics to understand what is really going
on in the experiment. Like John. Can we all please agree on that? <br>
<br>
If we do at some time agree on the underlying mathematics, there is
no need to argue for or against a certain basis set - if it is
complete enough to describe a set of experiments, it is useful for
forecasting similar experiments. Like string theory - it is good for
describing what went in and out of a scattering experiment. We
probably need to continue to use such tricks like that to describe
reality until we all have quantum computers in our pockets (or
brains) to do the analysis with. In the meantime, we need to rely on
people like John to talk to us like to his mother and hope it does
make sense to us also ;-).<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Joakim<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-11-15 09:28,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi John:</div>
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<div>Some mothers are more erudite than others. But, erudite
mothers matter too!</div>
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<div>Much of what I see in your papers tickles memories of
things I once knew rather well regarding differential
manifolds, diffential forms, Clifford algebras, etc. dF=0,
for example, written as d²A=0 says that A is an exact form,
which gives it lots of nice propeties---and so on and so
forth. This is all very nice, but your terminology appears to
me to be distinct from that in math/phys lit on the matter. </div>
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<div>Do you have a paper somewhere that makes the comparison?
Can you start your story in the histrocially conventional
notation and then carefully introduce your specaializations so
that the known maths consequences of what you'r about can just
be looked up rather than rediscovered? </div>
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<div>Likewise, there are giant software packages for Clifford
algebra applications in existence. While not at all easy to
jump in and use them, it is still much easier than redoing the
whole thing.</div>
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<div>BTW, as one who holds that photons do not exist (just photo
electrons) I have grave indigestion over the idea of modeling
the electron on the photon! Seems it ought be the other way
around; there is credible empirical evidence for the existence
of electrons, where as there is none for photons
(distinguished from photo electons!).</div>
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<div>ciao, Al</div>
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<div><b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 15. November 2015 um 05:20
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<b>Von:</b> "John Williamson"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Yes Al – I could not agree
more. We can do better though, as I have said
before. I always say to others that, if one truly
understands anything, one should be able to
explain it at any level. Mums are important!</span></p>
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