<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3727"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3726">Chip, John and all,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3884"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3729" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3728" class="">I will out of town for a week in the great outdoors </span><span style="font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4405" class="">of the California coastal redwoods under primitive conditions </span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3887" class="" style="font-size: 16px;">at a science camp (flora type)</span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3889" class="" style="font-size: 16px;"> - no electronics, sat phone for emergencies and no internet. Well, there is a pay phone but I haven't used one in about 20 years...</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3729" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 16px;" class=""><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3729" dir="ltr">On my return I will try to respond to any emails regarding the phat photon and phat lasers. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3729" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3729" dir="ltr">Best regards,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4664"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4665">David</div><br> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3991"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3990"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3989"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3988"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4666"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3993"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4668"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4667">From:</span></b> "davidmathes8@yahoo.com" <davidmathes8@yahoo.com><br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4670"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4669">To:</span></b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>; Chip Akins <chipakins@gmail.com> <br><b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4672"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4671">Cc:</span></b> "pete@leathergoth.com" <pete@leathergoth.com>; David Williamson <david.williamson@ed.ac.uk>; "Mark, Martin van der" <martin.van.der.mark@philips.com> <br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4674"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4673">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:11 PM<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4676"><span style="font-weight: bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4675">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] Quantized photonic E field<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4000"><br><div id="yiv1372293515"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3999"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_3998"><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447564365223_4663">John and Chip</span></div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><span>></span><b class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8754" style="font-size:12pt;"><font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8753" color="#4c76a2"><font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_6619" color="FF0000">The detailed properties of Phat photons will constitute an interesting test of the new theory. </font></font></b></div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_9083" size="3"><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7783">That's an interesting statement. Bravo. </span>Nature tells us what the math should be. In the case of Williams work, one will need to study up on particular Weyl's gauge theory. </font></div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><span><font size="3"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div class="yiv1372293515" dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482"><font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_9309" size="3"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8914">The applications are in </span><font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8861"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8860">nano lithography, surgical procedures, dental procedures, and directed energy systems.</span></font></font></div><div class="yiv1372293515" dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482"><font size="3"><font class="yiv1372293515"><span class="yiv1372293515"><br clear="none"></span></font></font></div><div class="yiv1372293515" dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482"><font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_9312" size="3"><font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_9311"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_9310">A few years ago there was some discussion with Couder and his team on simulating phat photons to determine the effects in one and two slit experiments.</span></font></font></div><div class="yiv1372293515" dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8992"><font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8994" face="Museo Sans-300, Arial, Sans Serif"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8996" style="font-size:15px;"><br clear="none" class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8998"></span></font></div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7832">Chip, Williams noted in his paper on Phat Photons</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8065" target="_blank" href="http://www.physicsandbeyond.com/pdf/Phat%20Photons.pdf">http://www.physicsandbeyond.com/pdf/Phat%20Photons.pdf</a><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333">
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<div class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7840"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7842" style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'SymbolMT';">"ε = </span><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7844" style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'TimesNewRomanPS';font-style:italic;">N </span><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7846" style="font-size:7.000000pt;font-family:'TimesNewRomanPSMT';vertical-align:5.000000pt;">2 </span><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7848" style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'TimesNewRomanPS';font-style:italic;">h</span><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7850" style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'SymbolMT';">ν </span><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7852" style="font-size:12.000000pt;font-family:'TimesNewRomanPSMT';"> ( 9 )
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The prediction of quantized photon energy in Equation (9) argues that the frequencies </span><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7862" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;">associated with quantum numbers above unity may have already been measured. A look at the
National Institute of Standards and Technology web site shows<b> C.E. Moore</b></span><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7864" style="font-size:8pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;vertical-align:6pt;">11 </span><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7866" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;">reported the
fundamental frequency for hydrogen was listed with a magnitude of 1,000, the N=2 frequency
showed a magnitude of 80 and the N=3 frequency magnitude was 12.<b id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8016"> J. D. Garcia & J. E.
Mack</b></span><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7868" style="font-size:8pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;vertical-align:6pt;">12 </span><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7870" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;">reported similar numbers for the helium atom. </span></div><div class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7854"><span class="yiv1372293515" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7854"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7997" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;">Further, these frequencies do not have a
source noted for them as do the other frequencies reported as these frequencies do not
correspond to any known transitions. The predictions of Equation (9) then find verification in
data already reported."</span></div>
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</div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8170">Williams final paper was presented at SPIE in 2013 "Phat photons and Phat lasers."</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8280" target="_blank" href="http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1747236">http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1747236</a><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7333"><span>From the abstract...</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482"><span style="font-family:'Museo Sans-300', Arial, 'Sans Serif';font-size:15px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482"><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8481" style="font-family:'Museo Sans-300', Arial, 'Sans Serif';font-size:15px;">"...Further, while the stimulated and spontaneous emission probabilities are proportional to 1/N</span><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8483" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:'Museo Sans-300', Arial, 'Sans Serif';font-size:11px;line-height:0;vertical-align:baseline;">2</span><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8484" style="font-family:'Museo Sans-300', Arial, 'Sans Serif';font-size:15px;"> <b id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8493">the Rayleigh scattering cross section diminishes by 1/N</b></span><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8486" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:'Museo Sans-300', Arial, 'Sans Serif';font-size:11px;line-height:0;vertical-align:baseline;"><b>8</b></span><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8489" style="font-family:'Museo Sans-300', Arial, 'Sans Serif';font-size:15px;">. This reduction in the scattering cross section means that a laser emitting phat photons with N>1 will lose less energy traveling through the Earth’s atmosphere than lasers using N=1. This reduction in energy losses through the atmosphere means increased efficiency for Earth based beamed applications. This presentation discusses the <b>fundamental theory, emission probabilities, and cross section calculations</b>."</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482"><span style="font-family:'Museo Sans-300', Arial, 'Sans Serif';font-size:15px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482">A final note...in 2012-2013 a phat electron model conjecture was discussed with Williams based on two known topologies; Ring torus (W&vdM) and Spindle torus (Gauthier) whereby two electrons were merged and eased into one larger electron. The difficulty was one of stability. Energy would be required to be conserved; emission was most likely though. The focus at that time was only on the phat photon from the phat laser. The superposition of electrons or photons should produce comparable results or at least indicate the differences between the photon and electron especially the internals of the electron. </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482">Best</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482">David</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_8482"><span style="font-family:'Museo Sans-300', Arial, 'Sans Serif';font-size:15px;"><br clear="none"></span></div> <blockquote id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7924" style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7923" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7922" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv1372293515yqt6573419811" id="yiv1372293515yqt34752"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7921"> <hr id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7948" size="1"> <font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7925" size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Williamson <John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "davidmathes8@yahoo.com" <davidmathes8@yahoo.com>; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>; Chip Akins <chipakins@gmail.com> <br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "pete@leathergoth.com" <pete@leathergoth.com>; David Williamson <david.williamson@ed.ac.uk>; "Mark, Martin van der" <martin.van.der.mark@philips.com> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 14, 2015 8:39 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] =?utf-8?Q?RE:_=5BGeneral=5D Reply_of_comments_?=from what a model…<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv1372293515y_msg_container" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447562332334_7926"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv1372293515">
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I was grateful to David for flagging up the Phat photon stuff - because I had considered what would happen if one tried to superimpose two photons on top of each other. My conclusion was that this would lead to an energy of the overlap not of 1+1 = 2 but of
1+1 = 4, putting yet another on top of this would give 1+1+1 = 9. Just the sequence for Phat photons then. This is the photon analogue of the mechanism Martin and I proposed for the Pauli exclusion principle and which I talked about at MENDEL2012. The underlying
reason for this is that the fields add quadratically - provided the photons are perfectly everywhere in phase (same polarisation and wave-train length).<br clear="none">
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So - if this is indeed what phat photons are - then I can answer some of the questions on the basis of thinking in the new theory. Red below.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1372293515" dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4426"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8847">There are a lot of questions yet to be determined both theoretically and experimentally. Given the fundamental nature of quantizing the E-field,
every known experiment in a graduate physics book would need to be rerun for N.NOT EQUAL.1</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1372293515" dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4426"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4707">Some preliminaries...Without experiments, everything is theoretical although Williams was able to find at least one paper that experimentally supported
the theory. See Williams "phat photons and phat lasers" A fragile laser crystal with n=2 was developed. Further work requires significant funding. </span></div>
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<div class="yiv1372293515" dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_9541"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_10431">A phat photon laser is required to study the phenomena. The initial milliwatt crystal would have two product paths - larger laser crystals up to
100 watts initially with a goal of 1,000 to 10k watts. </span>Phat photon laser is under development and test with no published results. I'm not working on the experimental side. The laser crystal material is custom made. N=2 is the only experimental level
I'm aware of although N=3 material was waiting funding. 4 and 5 are considered to be doable only after 2 and 3 have been extensively tested.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4426">One of them is whether there the E vector should be linearly added, the current assumption of a single source (no two particle source Albrecht) and no off-axis E vectors. Stability and emission/decay processes
are not in the current theory. The expectation is that N=4 will be the maximum practical level with the possibility of N=5. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4426"><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5754">That said...</span>Using blue...</div>
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<font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4312" face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Chip Akins <chipakins@gmail.com><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> davidmathes8@yahoo.com; 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 14, 2015 1:42 PM<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4315"><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4419" style="color:black;">Hi David</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4319"><span style="color:black;">About Phat photons…
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4321"><span style="">As stated... E = N^2 hv</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4323"><span style="color:black;">Lots of questions:</span></div>
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<span style="color:black;"><span style="">1.<span style="font:7.0pt;"> </span>
</span></span><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4325" style="color:black;">What is the spin angular momentum of a Phat Photon? Have there been any experiments to try to determine this?</span></div>
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<font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5152" color="#4c76a2"><b id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5395">As can be determined so far, the spin of the phat photon where N=2 is 1. Dirac only, no Majorna or Weyl versions. Williams theory does not explore or speculate
on a spin 1/2 photon of any type. <br clear="none">
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<font color="FF0000">N<font color="FF0000">ot sure<font color="FF0000">. If no lateral effect<font color="FF0000">, s</font></font></font></font></font></b></font><b id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5395">pin would be in the sequence 4, 9 16 etc ... otherwise the sequence 1 , 2<font color="FF0000">, 3<font color="FF0000">.
Spin half is not just a number<font color="FF0000">. No spin half (fermionic!) photons.</font></font></font><br clear="none">
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<span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5394" style="color:black;"><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5393" style="">2.<span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5392" style="font:7.0pt;">
</span></span></span><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4566" style="color:black;">Are Phat Photons conventionally polarizable, or are there additional constraints on the ability to polarize them?</span></div>
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<font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5152" color="#4c76a2"><b class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5175"> This area has not been explored as of yet.</b></font></div>
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<font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_7930" color="#4c76a2"><b class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_7929"> The assumption is that the E vector is represented by linear multiples of </b><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_10803"><b id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_10802">E.</b></span><b class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_10801">
I would suggest using e^i theta </b></font></div>
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<font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_10894" color="#4c76a2"><b class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_10893"> instead of just cos (theta) to capture any off-axis E quantities. </b></font></div>
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<font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5397" color="#4c76a2"><b class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5396"> In order to test polarized phat photons, what may be needed is the SU(N) EM theory (Barrett, Williamson, etc.) to support the partial
differential of polarization.<br clear="none">
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<font color="FF0000">For the overlap to work - the di-photon (4) or the tri-photon(9) would have to be in the same state - have the same polarisation then. That would mean they were simply polarisable in the same way as normal photons.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1372293515" dir="ltr" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5177"><font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5179" color="#4c76a2"><b class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5181"><br clear="none" class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5183">
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<span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5158" style="color:black;"><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5157" style="">3.<span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5156" style="font:7.0pt;">
</span></span></span><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4568" style="color:black;">Has there been any measurement for the speed of Phat Photons? Is it just c as in other photons?</span></div>
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<span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8332"><font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8348" color="#4c76a2"><br clear="none" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8331">
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<span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_6957"><b id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8571"><font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8570" color="#4c76a2">In theory, the permittivity and permeability do not appear to be influenced, ignoring the polarized vacuum work by
Puthoff, White and others. However, until a true time measurement experiment, we will not know if the phat photon travels at the speed of light in a zero vacuum. Some thought (no experiment) has been given to a supercavitation of the zero vacuum at microwave,
optical and X-ray frequencies. This method involves lowering the permittivity. Experiments have been suggested but fall short of the Schwinger limit. Engineering the quantum vacuum is something Puthoff and others are working on.<br clear="none">
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<font color="FF0000">Expect just c. These objects are still rest-massless.</font><br clear="none">
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<span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5170" style="color:black;"><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5169" style="">4.<span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5168" style="font:7.0pt;">
</span></span></span><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4841" style="color:black;">Can N be only integers, or can N be any number?</span></div>
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<font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8328" color="#4c76a2"><b id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8569">Williams paper works with positive integers only. Negative integers would produce similar mathematical results but it's difficult for me to conceptualize that
in nature. Certain complex values may be of use although one is has to explain the complex part.
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No ... just integers. That is the point of quantisation.</font><br clear="none">
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<font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_11534" color="#4c76a2"><b id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_11533">I suggested an analog version where N could be continuous from 1 to 5. No experimental evidence other than 1 and 2. We did discuss fractal E fields as well
(generated by fractal antennas). So the answer for now is....no, N can only be an integer.</b></font></div>
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<font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_12009" color="#4c76a2"><b id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_12008">Some discussion explored the possibility of N quanta that are in a tight orbit and therefore, closely-coupled within the photon as the source generating the
required E field. This approach fits the two and possible three particle model for sub-elementary quanta. However, I consider this speculative currently since the theory does not support this currently, and quanta within the photon have not been measured.</b></font></div>
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<span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4940" style="color:black;"><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4939" style="">5.<span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_6956" style="font:7.0pt;">
</span></span></span><span id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_5154" style="color:black;">Has anyone been able to synthesize Phat Photons in a controllable and predictable manner for study?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4942"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_6960">
<b class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8472"><font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8471" color="#4c76a2"> In a word, no. Not for serious study. </font></b></span></div>
<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_4942"><span class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_12490"><b class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_12489"><font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_12488" color="#4c76a2"> The
construction of the laser crystal is critical to the success. </font></b></span><b class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8472"><font class="yiv1372293515" id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8471" color="#4c76a2">The custom material is very limited and not commercially
available. </font></b></div>
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<b id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8577" style="font-size:12pt;"><font id="yiv1372293515yui_3_16_0_1_1447543688467_8576" color="#4c76a2"> N=2 is the only one under limited test. No word on when results will be published.</font></b></div>
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<span style="">Ahhhh...the phat EM wave...</span></div>
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<span style="">For E = N^2 hv, here is one possible approach for a single particle, quantized E.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">(and speculatively, 5 = tau prime )</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Such a model might explain the instabilities of the muon and tau.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">What if, for purposes of conjecture, we replace your two “particles” in the electron, with an EM wave which has a wavelength of twice the circumference? And now let us consider that
the “binding force” which holds this wave in a circular confinement is the same “force” which causes spin angular momentum in light. The EM “wave” would have the negative portion always away from the center for the electron, and the confinement of the wave
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">It seems that such a model would 1) conserve momentum, 2) cause inertial mass
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">If we do this, we have an electron model which consists of
<i>just one item</i> and explains (it seems) the same things that your model explains, but without the need for two entities within this elementary particle.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">The reason for posing this question is that there is no experimental evidence that the electron is comprised of two particles. However there is much evidence that it is a single thing
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr. Albrecht Giese<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM<br clear="none">
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Why do we need a background? If I assume only local forces (strong and electric) for my model, the calculation conforms to the measurement (e.g. between mass and magnetic moment) with a precision of 2 : 1'000'000. This is no incident. Not possible, if a poorly
defined and stable background has a measurable influence. - And if there should be such background and it has such little effect, which mistake do we make if we ignore that?<br clear="none">
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For the competition of the 1/r<sup>2</sup> law for range of charges and the r<sup>2</sup> law for the quantity of charges we have a popular example when we look at the sky at night. The sky is dark and that shows that the r<sup>2</sup> case (number of shining
stars) does in no way compensates for the 1/r<sup>2</sup> case (light flow density from the stars).<br clear="none">
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Why is a 2 particle model necessary?<br clear="none">
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1.) for the conservation of momentum<br clear="none">
2.) for a cause of the inertial mass<br clear="none">
3.) for the radiation at acceleration which occurs most time, but does not occur in specific situations. Not explained elsewhere.<br clear="none">
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Ciao, Albrecht</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Am 13.11.2015 um 20:31 schrieb
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Your proposed experiment is hampered by reality! If you do the measurement with a gaget bought in a store that has knobes and a display, then the measurement is for
certain for signals under a couple hundred GHz and based on some phenomena for which the sensitivity of man-made devices is limited. And, if limited to the electric field, then there is a good chance it is missing altogether oscillating signals by virtue
of its limited reaction time of reset time, etc. etc. The vast majority of the background will be much higher, the phenomena most attuned to detecting might be in fact the quantum effects otherwise explained with mystical hokus-pokus! Also to be noted is
that, the processes invovled in your model, if they pertain to elementray entities, will have to be at very small size and if at the velocity (c) will be very high energy, etc. so that once again, it is quite reasonable to suppose that the universe is anything
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">Of course, there is then the issue of the divergence of the this SED background. Ameliorated to some extent with the realization that there is no energy at a point in
empty space until a charged entity is put there, whereupon the energy of interaction with the rest of the universe (not just by itself being there and ignoring the universe---as QM theorists, and yourself, are wont to do) is given by the sum of interactions
over all particles not by the integral over all space, including empty space. Looks at first blush to be finite. </span><span style=""></span></div>
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<b>Von:</b> "Dr. Albrecht Giese" <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">
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if we look to charges you mention the law 1/r<sup>2</sup>. Now we can perform a simple physical experiment having an electrically charged object and using it to measure the electric field around us. I say: it is very weak. Now look to the distance of the two
half-charges within the particle having a distance of 4*10<sup>-13</sup> m. This means an increase of force of about 25 orders of magnitude compared to what we do in a lab. And the difference is much greater if we refer to charges acting from the universe.
So I think we do not make a big mistake assuming that there is nothing outside the particle.<br clear="none">
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Regarding my model, the logic of deduction was very simple for me:<br clear="none">
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1.) We have dilation, so there must be a permanent motion with c<br clear="none">
2.) There must be 2 sub-particles otherwise the momentum law is violated; 3 are not possible as in conflict with experiments.<br clear="none">
3.) The sub-particles must be mass-less, otherwise c is not possible<br clear="none">
4.) The whole particle has mass even though the sub-particles are mass-less. So there must be a mechanism to cause inertia. It was immediately clear for me that inertia is a consequence of extension. Another reason to assume a particle which is composed of
parts. (There is no other working mechanism of inertia known until today.)<br clear="none">
5.) I had to find the binding field for the sub-particles. I have taken the simplest one which I could find which has a potential minimum at some distance. And my first attempt worked.<br clear="none">
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That is all, and I do not see any possibility to change one of the points 1.) thru 5.) without getting in conflict with fundamental physical rules. And I do not invent new facts or rules beyond those already known in physics.<br clear="none">
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So, where do you see any kind of arbitrariness or missing justification?<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">To your remark that Swinger & Feynman introduced virtual charges, I note that they used the same term: "virtual charge/particle," in spite of the much older meaning in
accord with the charge and mirror example. In the finest of quantum traditions, they too ignored the rest of the universe and instead tried to vest its effect in the "vacuum." This idea was suitably mystical to allow them to introduce the associated plaver
into the folk lore of QM, given the sociology of the day. Even in spite of this BS, the idea still has merit. Your objection on the basis of the 1/r² fall-off is true but not conclusive. This fall-off is matched by a r² increase in muber of charges, so the
integrated total interaction can be expected to have at least some effect, no matter what. Think of the universe to 1st order as a neutral, low-density plasma. I (and some others) hold that this interaction is responcible for all quantum effects. In any
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">BTW, this is history repeating itself. Once upon a time there was theory of Brownian motion that posited an internal cause known as "elan vital" to dust specks observed
hopping about like Mexican jumping beans. Ultimately this nonsense was displaced by the observation that the dust spots were not alone in their immediate universe but imbededded in a slurry of other particles, also in motion, to which they were reacting.
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Fine, but what most critics will expect is that these inputs have to have some kind of justification or motivation. This is what the second particle lacks. Where is it when one really looks for it? It has no empirical motivation. Thus, this theory then
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I have gotten a different understanding of what a virtual particle or a virtual charge is. This phenomenon was invented by Julian Schwinger and Richard Feynman. They thought to need it in order to explain certain reactions in particle physics. In the case of
Schwinger it was the Landé factor, where I have shown that this assumption is not necessary.<br clear="none">
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If there is a charge then of course this charge is subject to interactions with all other charges in the universe. That is correct. But because of the normal distribution of these other charges in the universe, which cause a good compensation of the effects,
and because of the distance law we can think about models without reference to those. And also there is the problem with virtual particles and vacuum polarization (which is equivalent), in that we have this huge problem that the integrated energy of it over
the universe is by a factor of 10^120 higher than the energy measured. I think this is a really big argument against virtual effects.<br clear="none">
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Your example of the virtual image of a charge in a conducting surface is a different case. It is, as you write, the rearrangement of charges in the conducting surface. So the partner of the charge is physically the mirror, not the picture behind it. But which
mirror can cause the second particle in a model if the second particle is not assumed to be real?<br clear="none">
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And what in general is the problem with a two particle model? It fulfils the momentum law. And it does not cause further conflicts. It also explains why an accelerated electron sometimes radiates, sometimes not. For an experimental evidence I refer again to
the article of Frank Wilczek in "Nature" which was mentioned here earlier:<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">For Wilczek this is a mysterious result, in view of my model it is not, on the contrary it is kind of a proof.<br clear="none">
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be ignored. To ignore the remainder of the universe becasue it is inconvenient for theory formulation is for certain leading to error. "No man is an island," and no single particle is a universe! Thus, it can be argued that, to reject the concept of virtual
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<div class="yiv1372293515MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;">The concept of virtual charge as the second particle in your model seems to me to be not just a wild supposition, but an absolute necessity. Every charge is, without
choice, in constant interaction with every other charge in the universe, has been so since the big bang (if such were) and will remain so till the big crunch (if such is to be)! The universe cannot be ignored. If you reject including the universe by means
of virtual charges, them you have a lot more work to do to make your theory reasonable some how else. In particular in view of the fact that the second particles in your model have never ever been seen or even suspected in the various experiments resulting
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if we think in categories of a virtual image, then we are in my understanding fully on the path of present main stream QM. I have understood that we all want to do something better than that.<br clear="none">
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Regarding virtual phenomena I would like to remind you again of the history of such ideas. In the 1940ies Julian Schwinger has introduced vacuum polarization (which is equivalent to virtual particles according to Feynman) to determine the Landé factor for refining
the Bohr magneton. This was the birth of it.<br clear="none">
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On the other hand I have shown that I can deduce the Bohr magneton as well as the Landé factor in a classical way if I use my particle model. And that is possible and was done on a pure classical way. For me this is a good example that we can do things better
than by QM. In particular I try to have correct results without using any virtual objects.<br clear="none">
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Back to your question: If we build a particle model on a classical basis then there is no place for a virtual image, and so I see the need for two sub-particles.<br clear="none">
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