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    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hi Chip,<br>
      <br>
      thanks for your proposals. I have inserted some comments into the
      text.<br>
      <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
        serif">Am 14.11.2015 um 17:13 schrieb Chip Akins:</font><br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Albrecht<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">What if, for purposes of conjecture, we
          replace your two “particles” in the electron, with an EM wave
          which has a wavelength of twice the circumference?  </p>
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    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">How can you bind a wave
      to something? That sounds very strange to me. In the vicinity of a
      charge we can feel a force. It is an abstraction to call this
      situation a field. And if this field changes with time and
      propagates into the space, we call it a wave. You cannot bind a
      wave to something, so as you cannot bind the wind to a tree.<br>
      <br>
      What we can bind is the charge which is the cause of the field and
      of a wave. And a wave cannot build a spin. As a comparison, a
      squirl in the air or in the water can build an angular momentum.
      But that has to do with the air or the water. The squirl without
      air or water, which is a pure abstraction, cannot cause any
      binding forces. Similar to an electric wave apart from a charge.<br>
      <br>
      An EM wave is an electric field which is modulated and which
      propagates. The magnetic part of it is, as discussed here before,
      nothing than an impression which we have of the electric field. A
      relativistic side effect. Similar to the Coriolis force which is
      as well an impression (i.e. also a seeming side effect, but in
      this case not relativistic).<br>
      <br>
      So we should talk about real things and that are charges in my
      understanding.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">And now let us consider that the “binding
          force” which holds this wave in a circular confinement is the
          same “force” which causes spin angular momentum in light.  The
          EM “wave” would have the negative portion always away from the
          center for the electron, and the confinement of the wave
          causes a curvature in (divergence of) the E field which in
          turn would be the cause for the appearance of the elementary
          charge.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">It seems that such a model would 1)
          conserve momentum, 2) cause inertial mass <i>(because of
            confined momentum and the speed of light velocity limit)</i>,
          and 3) radiate when accelerated under most circumstances <i>(except
            gravitational acceleration, if gravity is simply the
            diffraction of waves.)</i></p>
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    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">How do you think to
      accelerate an abstract wave? <br>
      <br>
      If you understand this wave as a cause of inertial mass, can you
      present a quantitative calculation of the mass which is the result
      of this effect? - I can do it for my model with high precision
      (see below).<br>
      <br>
      If gravity is a case of diffraction, or better of refraction, then
      there is an object refracted or a moving charge, but not a wave.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><o:p></o:p></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">If we do this, we have an electron model
          which consists of <i>just one item</i> and explains (it
          seems) the same things that your model explains, but without
          the need for two entities within this elementary particle.</p>
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    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">As a wave cannot have a
      momentum it will not violate the conservation of momentum, true,
      but it cannot build anything than mathematical equations.</font><br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The reason for posing this question is that
          there is no experimental evidence that the electron is
          comprised of two particles.  However there is much evidence
          that it is a single thing comprised of energy.</p>
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    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I say it again: There is
      evidence for two sub-particles. And I refer again to the
      experiment described by Frank Wilczek where two halves of an
      electron have been observed:<br>
      <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</a><br>
      <br>
      And there is NO evidence of a "single thing" if investigated in
      relation to my model (having mass-less constituents).<br>
      <br>
      And another evidence (an indirect one): Only an object built by
      two constituents (as a minimum) can have inertia. We all know that
      the Higgs model does not work for inertia. And my model using 2
      sub-particles yields the mass of e.g. the electron with an
      accuracy of 1 : 500'000. Do you know any model which yields
      results of this accuracy? - <br>
      I do not know any else model for this, and am presenting this
      model since 15 years on conferences all over the world, and there
      have been no objections. <br>
      <br>
      Best<br>
      Albrecht<br>
      <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                General
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr. Albrecht Giese<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments from
                what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Al,<br>
          <br>
          Why do we need a background? If I assume only local forces
          (strong and electric) for my model, the calculation conforms
          to the measurement (e.g. between mass and magnetic moment)
          with a precision of 2 : 1'000'000. This is no incident. Not
          possible, if a poorly defined and stable background has a
          measurable influence. - And if there should be such background
          and it has such little effect, which mistake do we make if we
          ignore that?<br>
          <br>
          For the competition of the 1/r<sup>2</sup> law for range of
          charges and the r<sup>2</sup> law for the quantity of charges
          we have a popular example when we look at the sky at night.
          The sky is dark and that shows that the r<sup>2</sup> case
          (number of shining stars) does in no way compensates for the
          1/r<sup>2</sup> case (light flow density from the stars).<br>
          <br>
          Why is a 2 particle model necessary?<br>
          <br>
          1.) for the conservation of momentum<br>
          2.) for a cause of the inertial mass<br>
          3.) for the radiation at acceleration which occurs most time,
          but does not occur in specific situations. Not explained
          elsewhere.<br>
          <br>
          Ciao, Albrecht<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Am 13.11.2015 um 20:31 schrieb <a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                  Albrecht:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Your
                  proposed experiment is hampered by reality!  If you do
                  the measurement with a gaget bought in a store that
                  has knobes and a display, then the measurement is for
                  certain for signals under a couple hundred GHz and
                  based on some phenomena for which the sensitivity of
                  man-made devices is limited.  And, if limited to the
                  electric field, then there is a good chance it is
                  missing altogether oscillating signals by virtue of
                  its limited reaction time of reset time, etc. etc.
                   The vast majority of the background will be much
                  higher, the phenomena most attuned to detecting might
                  be in fact the quantum effects otherwise explained
                  with mystical hokus-pokus!  Also to be noted is that,
                  the processes invovled in your model, if they pertain
                  to elementray entities, will have to be at very small
                  size and if at the velocity (c) will be very high
                  energy, etc. so that once again, it is quite
                  reasonable to suppose that the universe is anything
                  but irrelavant! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Of
                  course, there is then the issue of the divergence of
                  the this SED background.  Ameliorated to some extent
                  with the realization that there is no energy at a
                  point in empty space until a charged entity is put
                  there, whereupon the energy of interaction with the
                  rest of the universe (not just by itself being there
                  and ignoring the universe---as QM theorists, and
                  yourself, are wont to do) is given by the sum of
                  interactions over all particles not by the integral
                  over all space, including empty space.  Looks at first
                  blush to be finite. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Why
                  fight it?  Where the hell else will you find a
                  credible 2nd particle?  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">ciao,
                   Al<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                        style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Freitag,
                      13. November 2015 um 12:11 Uhr<br>
                      <b>Von:</b> "Dr. Albrecht Giese" <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                      <b>An:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                      <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments
                      from what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                        Al,<br>
                        <br>
                        if we look to charges you mention the law 1/r<sup>2</sup>.
                        Now we can perform a simple physical experiment
                        having an electrically charged object and using
                        it to measure the electric field around us. I
                        say: it is very weak. Now look to the distance
                        of the two half-charges within the particle
                        having a distance of 4*10<sup>-13</sup> m. This
                        means an increase of force of about 25 orders of
                        magnitude compared to what we do in a lab. And
                        the difference is much greater if we refer to
                        charges acting from the universe. So I think we
                        do not make a big mistake assuming that there is
                        nothing outside the particle.<br>
                        <br>
                        Regarding my model, the logic of deduction was
                        very simple for me:<br>
                        <br>
                        1.) We have dilation, so there must be a
                        permanent motion with c<br>
                        2.) There must be 2 sub-particles otherwise the
                        momentum law is violated; 3 are not possible as
                        in conflict with experiments.<br>
                        3.) The sub-particles must be mass-less,
                        otherwise c is not possible<br>
                        4.) The whole particle has mass even though the
                        sub-particles are mass-less. So there must be a
                        mechanism to cause inertia. It was immediately
                        clear for me that inertia is a consequence of
                        extension. Another reason to assume a particle
                        which is composed of parts. (There is no other
                        working mechanism of inertia known until today.)<br>
                        5.) I had to find the binding field for the
                        sub-particles. I have taken the simplest one
                        which I could find which has a potential minimum
                        at some distance. And my first attempt worked.<br>
                        <br>
                        That is all, and I do not see any possibility to
                        change one of the points 1.) thru 5.) without
                        getting in conflict with fundamental physical
                        rules. And I do not invent new facts or rules
                        beyond those already known in physics.<br>
                        <br>
                        So, where do you see any kind of arbitrariness
                        or missing justification?<br>
                        <br>
                        Tschüß!<br>
                        Albrecht<br>
                        <br>
                          <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Am
                          12.11.2015 um 17:51 schrieb <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                                Albrect:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We
                                are making some progress.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">To
                                your remark that Swinger & Feynman
                                introduced virtual charges, I note that
                                they used the same term: "virtual
                                charge/particle," in spite of the much
                                older meaning in accord with the charge
                                and mirror example.  In the finest of
                                quantum traditions, they too ignored the
                                rest of the universe and instead tried
                                to vest its effect in the "vacuum."
                                 This idea was suitably mystical to
                                allow them to introduce the associated
                                plaver into the folk lore of QM, given
                                the sociology of the day.  Even in spite
                                of this BS, the idea still has merit.
                                Your objection on the basis of the 1/r²
                                fall-off is true but not conclusive.
                                 This fall-off is matched by a r²
                                increase in muber of charges, so the
                                integrated total interaction can be
                                expected to have at least some effect,
                                no matter what.  Think of the universe
                                to 1st order as a neutral, low-density
                                plasma. I (and some others) hold that
                                this interaction is responcible for all
                                quantum effects.  In any case, no
                                particle is a universe unto itself, the
                                rest have the poulation and time to take
                                a toll!  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">BTW,
                                this is history repeating itself.  Once
                                upon a time there was theory of Brownian
                                motion that posited an internal cause
                                known as "elan vital" to dust specks
                                observed hopping about like Mexican
                                jumping beans.  Ultimately this nonsense
                                was displaced by the observation that
                                the dust spots were not alone in their
                                immediate universe but imbededded in a
                                slurry of other particles, also in
                                motion, to which they were reacting.
                                 Nowadays atoms are analysed in QM text
                                books as if they were the only object in
                                the universe---all others being too far
                                away (so it is argued, anyway).  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Your
                                model, as it stands, can be free of
                                contradiction and still unstatisfying
                                because the inputs seem to be just what
                                is needed to make the conclusions you
                                aim to make.  Fine, but what most
                                critics will expect is that these inputs
                                have to have some kind of justification
                                or motivation.  This is what the second
                                particle lacks.  Where is it when one
                                really looks for it?  It has no
                                empirical motivation.   Thus, this
                                theory then has about the same ultimate
                                structure, and pursuasiveness, as
                                saying: 'don't worry about it, God did
                                it; go home, open a beer, pop your feet
                                up, and forget about it---a theory which
                                explains absolutely everything!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white"><span
                                style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Tschuß,
                                 Al<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="background:white"><b><span
                                      style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Donnerstag,
                                    12. November 2015 um 16:18 Uhr<br>
                                    <b>Von:</b> "Dr. Albrecht Giese" <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                                    <b>An:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
                                      target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br>
                                    <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_parent">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                                    <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] Reply
                                    of comments from what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white"><span
                                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                                      Al,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I have gotten a different
                                      understanding of what a virtual
                                      particle or a virtual charge is.
                                      This phenomenon was invented by
                                      Julian Schwinger and Richard
                                      Feynman. They thought to need it
                                      in order to explain certain
                                      reactions in particle physics. In
                                      the case of Schwinger it was the
                                      Landé factor, where I have shown
                                      that this assumption is not
                                      necessary.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      If there is a charge then of
                                      course this charge is subject to
                                      interactions with all other
                                      charges in the universe. That is
                                      correct. But because of the normal
                                      distribution of these other
                                      charges in the universe, which
                                      cause a good compensation of the
                                      effects, and because of the
                                      distance law we can think about
                                      models without reference to those.
                                      And also there is the problem with
                                      virtual particles and vacuum
                                      polarization (which is
                                      equivalent), in that we have this
                                      huge problem that the integrated
                                      energy of it over the universe is
                                      by a factor of 10^120 higher than
                                      the energy measured. I think this
                                      is a really big argument against
                                      virtual effects.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Your example of the virtual image
                                      of a charge in a conducting
                                      surface is a different case. It
                                      is, as you write, the
                                      rearrangement of charges in the
                                      conducting surface. So the partner
                                      of the charge is physically the
                                      mirror, not the picture behind it.
                                      But which mirror can cause the
                                      second particle in a model if the
                                      second particle is not assumed to
                                      be real?<br>
                                      <br>
                                      And what in general is the problem
                                      with a two particle model? It
                                      fulfils the momentum law. And it
                                      does not cause further conflicts.
                                      It also explains why an
                                      accelerated electron sometimes
                                      radiates, sometimes not. For an
                                      experimental evidence I refer
                                      again to the article of Frank
                                      Wilczek in "Nature" which was
                                      mentioned here earlier:<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com"
                                        target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</a>:
                                    </span><span
                                      style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                                        <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><span
                                        class="current-selection"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">He
                                          writes: "By combining
                                          fragmentation with super</span></span><span
                                        class="ls0"><span
                                          style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">-</span></span><span
                                        class="current-selection"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">conductivity,
                                          we can get half-electrons that
                                          are their own antiparticles."
                                        </span></span><span
                                        style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                                         </span><span
                                        style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white"><span
                                      style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">For
                                      Wilczek this is a mysterious
                                      result, in view of my model it is
                                      not, on the contrary it is kind of
                                      a proof.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Grüße<br>
                                      Albrecht</span><span
                                      style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                                      <br>
                                        <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><span
                                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Am
                                        12.11.2015 um 03:06 schrieb <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
                                          target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                                              Albrecht:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        </div>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        </div>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Virtual
                                              particles are proxys for
                                              an ensemble of real
                                              particles.  There is
                                              nothing folly-lolly about
                                              them!  They simply
                                              summarize the total effect
                                              of particles that cannot
                                              be ignored.  To ignore the
                                              remainder of the universe
                                              becasue it is inconvenient
                                              for theory formulation is
                                              for certain leading to
                                              error.  "No man is an
                                              island,"  and no single
                                              particle is a universe!
                                               Thus, it can be argued
                                              that, to reject the
                                              concept of virtual
                                              particles is to reject a
                                              facit of reality that must
                                              be essential for an
                                              explantion of the material
                                              world.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">For
                                              example, if a positive
                                              charge is placed near a
                                              conducting surface, the
                                              charges in that surface
                                              will respond to the
                                              positive charge by
                                              rearranging themselves so
                                              as to give a total field
                                              on the surface of zero
                                              strength as if there were
                                              a negative charge
                                              (virtual) behind the
                                              mirror.  Without the real
                                              charges on the mirror
                                              surface, the concept of
                                              "virtual" negative charge
                                              would not be necessary or
                                              even useful.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
                                              concept of virtual charge
                                              as the second particle in
                                              your model seems to me to
                                              be not just a wild
                                              supposition, but an
                                              absolute necessity.  Every
                                              charge is, without choice,
                                              in constant interaction
                                              with every other charge in
                                              the universe, has been so
                                              since the big bang (if
                                              such were) and will remain
                                              so till the big crunch (if
                                              such is to be)!  The
                                              universe cannot be
                                              ignored. If you reject
                                              including the universe by
                                              means of virtual charges,
                                              them you have a lot more
                                              work to do to make your
                                              theory reasonable some how
                                              else.  In particular in
                                              view of the fact that the
                                              second particles in your
                                              model have never ever been
                                              seen or even suspected in
                                              the various experiments
                                              resulting in the
                                              disasssmbly of whatever
                                              targert was used.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">MfG,
                                               Al<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Mittwoch,
                                                  11. November 2015 um
                                                  22:37 Uhr<br>
                                                  <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                  Albrecht Giese" <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                                                  <b>An:</b> <a
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href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>, <a
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                                                  <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                  [General] Reply of
                                                  comments from what a
                                                  model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                                                    Al,<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    if we think in
                                                    categories of a
                                                    virtual image, then
                                                    we are in my
                                                    understanding fully
                                                    on the path of
                                                    present main stream
                                                    QM. I have
                                                    understood that we
                                                    all want to do
                                                    something better
                                                    than that.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Regarding virtual
                                                    phenomena I would
                                                    like to remind you
                                                    again of the history
                                                    of such ideas. In
                                                    the 1940ies Julian
                                                    Schwinger has
                                                    introduced vacuum
                                                    polarization (which
                                                    is equivalent to
                                                    virtual particles
                                                    according to
                                                    Feynman) to
                                                    determine the Landé
                                                    factor for refining
                                                    the Bohr magneton.
                                                    This was the birth
                                                    of it.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    On the other hand I
                                                    have shown that I
                                                    can deduce the Bohr
                                                    magneton as well as
                                                    the Landé factor in
                                                    a classical way if I
                                                    use my particle
                                                    model. And that is
                                                    possible and was
                                                    done on a pure
                                                    classical way. For
                                                    me this is a good
                                                    example that we can
                                                    do things better
                                                    than by QM. In
                                                    particular I try to
                                                    have correct results
                                                    without using any
                                                    virtual objects.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Back to your
                                                    question: If we
                                                    build a particle
                                                    model on a classical
                                                    basis then there is
                                                    no place for a
                                                    virtual image, and
                                                    so I see the need
                                                    for two
                                                    sub-particles.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Ciao, Albrecht<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                      <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Am
                                                      11.11.2015 um
                                                      17:27 schrieb <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Mittwoch,
                                                          11. November
                                                          2015 um 11:54
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <a
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href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
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                                                          href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                          [General]
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                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
                                                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                                                           Albrecht:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#006600">You
                                                          said:  A model
                                                          with only one
                                                          particle is in
                                                          my view also
                                                          not possible
                                                          as it violates
                                                          the
                                                          conservation
                                                          of momentum. A
                                                          single object
                                                          can never
                                                          oscillate.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#006600">I
                                                          ask:   Why
                                                          can't a single
                                                          particle
                                                          oscillate
                                                          against, or in
                                                          consort with,
                                                          its own
                                                          virtual image.
                                                          (Presuming
                                                          there is
                                                          charge complex
                                                          around---mirror
                                                          in 2d,
                                                          negative
                                                          sphere (I
                                                          think) in
                                                          3d)? </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#006600">ciao,
                                                           Al</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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