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Thank you, Richard, for your assistance.<br>
<br>
It is true, it would be great if someone could translate. Because
the French language is unfortunately not my hobby. <br>
<br>
Best, Albrecht<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 17.11.2015 um 07:28 schrieb Richard
Gauthier:<br>
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<div class="">Hello Albrecht, Al and all,</div>
<div class=""> Albrecht requested a copy of the de Broglie
reference in L’Electron magnetique where he shows that even in
the absence of external fields, linear momentum is not fully
conserved in zitterbewegung motion. The zitterbewegung frequency
and amplitude are derived here. I’ve attached the chapter from
his book on the analysis of zitterbewegung from his book on the
Dirac Equation: L’Electron magnetiique . I think it will be
helpful for anyone with a double-looping model of the electron.
If Al could translate the key paragraphs into English for us
(and others) I think it would be really helpful.</div>
<div class=""> all the best,</div>
<div class=""> Richard</div>
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<div class="">On Nov 16, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Dr. Albrecht Giese
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" class="">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>
wrote:</div>
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Times, serif">Hi Chip,<br class="">
<br class="">
thanks for your proposals. I have inserted some comments
into the text.<br class="">
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face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Am 14.11.2015 um
17:13 schrieb Chip Akins:</font><br class="">
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hi
Albrecht<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">What
if, for purposes of conjecture, we replace your two
“particles” in the electron, with an EM wave which has
a wavelength of twice the circumference? <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div>
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255, 255);" class="" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">How
can you bind a wave to something? That sounds very strange
to me. In the vicinity of a charge we can feel a force. It
is an abstraction to call this situation a field. And if
this field changes with time and propagates into the
space, we call it a wave. You cannot bind a wave to
something, so as you cannot bind the wind to a tree.<br
class="">
<br class="">
What we can bind is the charge which is the cause of the
field and of a wave. And a wave cannot build a spin. As a
comparison, a squirl in the air or in the water can build
an angular momentum. But that has to do with the air or
the water. The squirl without air or water, which is a
pure abstraction, cannot cause any binding forces. Similar
to an electric wave apart from a charge.<br class="">
<br class="">
An EM wave is an electric field which is modulated and
which propagates. The magnetic part of it is, as discussed
here before, nothing than an impression which we have of
the electric field. A relativistic side effect. Similar to
the Coriolis force which is as well an impression (i.e.
also a seeming side effect, but in this case not
relativistic).<br class="">
<br class="">
So we should talk about real things and that are charges
in my understanding.<br class="">
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">And
now let us consider that the “binding force” which
holds this wave in a circular confinement is the same
“force” which causes spin angular momentum in light.
The EM “wave” would have the negative portion always
away from the center for the electron, and the
confinement of the wave causes a curvature in
(divergence of) the E field which in turn would be the
cause for the appearance of the elementary charge.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">It
seems that such a model would 1) conserve momentum, 2)
cause inertial mass<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i
class="">(because of confined momentum and the speed
of light velocity limit)</i>, and 3) radiate when
accelerated under most circumstances<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">(except
gravitational acceleration, if gravity is simply the
diffraction of waves.)</i></div>
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255, 255);" class="" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">How
do you think to accelerate an abstract wave?<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<br class="">
If you understand this wave as a cause of inertial mass,
can you present a quantitative calculation of the mass
which is the result of this effect? - I can do it for my
model with high precision (see below).<br class="">
<br class="">
If gravity is a case of diffraction, or better of
refraction, then there is an object refracted or a moving
charge, but not a wave.<br class="">
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">If we
do this, we have an electron model which consists of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">just
one item</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and
explains (it seems) the same things that your model
explains, but without the need for two entities within
this elementary particle.</div>
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255, 255);" class="" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">As
a wave cannot have a momentum it will not violate the
conservation of momentum, true, but it cannot build
anything than mathematical equations.</font><br
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">The
reason for posing this question is that there is no
experimental evidence that the electron is comprised
of two particles. However there is much evidence that
it is a single thing comprised of energy.</div>
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255, 255);" class="" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I
say it again: There is evidence for two sub-particles. And
I refer again to the experiment described by Frank Wilczek
where two halves of an electron have been observed:<br
class="">
<br class="">
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href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com"
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class="">
<br class="">
And there is NO evidence of a "single thing" if
investigated in relation to my model (having mass-less
constituents).<br class="">
<br class="">
And another evidence (an indirect one): Only an object
built by two constituents (as a minimum) can have inertia.
We all know that the Higgs model does not work for
inertia. And my model using 2 sub-particles yields the
mass of e.g. the electron with an accuracy of 1 : 500'000.
Do you know any model which yields results of this
accuracy? -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
I do not know any else model for this, and am presenting
this model since 15 years on conferences all over the
world, and there have been no objections.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<br class="">
Best<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
<br class="">
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class=""> </o:p></div>
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class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dr.
Albrecht Giese<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday,
November 14, 2015 7:52 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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<b class="">Cc:</b><span
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href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
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class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[General] Reply of comments from what a model…<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;">Hi Al,<br class="">
<br class="">
Why do we need a background? If I assume only local
forces (strong and electric) for my model, the
calculation conforms to the measurement (e.g. between
mass and magnetic moment) with a precision of 2 :
1'000'000. This is no incident. Not possible, if a
poorly defined and stable background has a measurable
influence. - And if there should be such background
and it has such little effect, which mistake do we
make if we ignore that?<br class="">
<br class="">
For the competition of the 1/r<sup class="">2</sup><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>law for range
of charges and the r<sup class="">2</sup><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>law for the
quantity of charges we have a popular example when we
look at the sky at night. The sky is dark and that
shows that the r<sup class="">2</sup><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>case (number
of shining stars) does in no way compensates for the
1/r<sup class="">2</sup><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>case (light
flow density from the stars).<br class="">
<br class="">
Why is a 2 particle model necessary?<br class="">
<br class="">
1.) for the conservation of momentum<br class="">
2.) for a cause of the inertial mass<br class="">
3.) for the radiation at acceleration which occurs
most time, but does not occur in specific situations.
Not explained elsewhere.<br class="">
<br class="">
Ciao, Albrecht<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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13.11.2015 um 20:31 schrieb<span
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class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<o:p
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<div class="">
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class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Hi
Albrecht:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Your
proposed experiment is hampered by reality!
If you do the measurement with a gaget bought
in a store that has knobes and a display, then
the measurement is for certain for signals
under a couple hundred GHz and based on some
phenomena for which the sensitivity of
man-made devices is limited. And, if limited
to the electric field, then there is a good
chance it is missing altogether oscillating
signals by virtue of its limited reaction time
of reset time, etc. etc. The vast majority of
the background will be much higher, the
phenomena most attuned to detecting might be
in fact the quantum effects otherwise
explained with mystical hokus-pokus! Also to
be noted is that, the processes invovled in
your model, if they pertain to elementray
entities, will have to be at very small size
and if at the velocity (c) will be very high
energy, etc. so that once again, it is quite
reasonable to suppose that the universe is
anything but irrelavant! <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;
font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Of
course, there is then the issue of the
divergence of the this SED background.
Ameliorated to some extent with the
realization that there is no energy at a point
in empty space until a charged entity is put
there, whereupon the energy of interaction
with the rest of the universe (not just by
itself being there and ignoring the
universe---as QM theorists, and yourself, are
wont to do) is given by the sum of
interactions over all particles not by the
integral over all space, including empty
space. Looks at first blush to be finite. <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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fight it? Where the hell else will you find a
credible 2nd particle? <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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13. November 2015 um 12:11 Uhr<br class="">
<b class="">Von:</b> "Dr. Albrecht Giese"<span
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<b class="">Betreff:</b> Re: [General]
Reply of comments from what a model…<o:p
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class="">Hi Al,<br class="">
<br class="">
if we look to charges you mention the
law 1/r<sup class="">2</sup>. Now we can
perform a simple physical experiment
having an electrically charged object
and using it to measure the electric
field around us. I say: it is very weak.
Now look to the distance of the two
half-charges within the particle having
a distance of 4*10<sup class="">-13</sup><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>m.
This means an increase of force of about
25 orders of magnitude compared to what
we do in a lab. And the difference is
much greater if we refer to charges
acting from the universe. So I think we
do not make a big mistake assuming that
there is nothing outside the particle.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Regarding my model, the logic of
deduction was very simple for me:<br
class="">
<br class="">
1.) We have dilation, so there must be a
permanent motion with c<br class="">
2.) There must be 2 sub-particles
otherwise the momentum law is violated;
3 are not possible as in conflict with
experiments.<br class="">
3.) The sub-particles must be mass-less,
otherwise c is not possible<br class="">
4.) The whole particle has mass even
though the sub-particles are mass-less.
So there must be a mechanism to cause
inertia. It was immediately clear for me
that inertia is a consequence of
extension. Another reason to assume a
particle which is composed of parts.
(There is no other working mechanism of
inertia known until today.)<br class="">
5.) I had to find the binding field for
the sub-particles. I have taken the
simplest one which I could find which
has a potential minimum at some
distance. And my first attempt worked.<br
class="">
<br class="">
That is all, and I do not see any
possibility to change one of the points
1.) thru 5.) without getting in conflict
with fundamental physical rules. And I
do not invent new facts or rules beyond
those already known in physics.<br
class="">
<br class="">
So, where do you see any kind of
arbitrariness or missing justification?<br
class="">
<br class="">
Tschüß!<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
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class=""><span style="font-size:
9pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif;" class="">To your
remark that Swinger &
Feynman introduced virtual
charges, I note that they used
the same term: "virtual
charge/particle," in spite of
the much older meaning in accord
with the charge and mirror
example. In the finest of
quantum traditions, they too
ignored the rest of the universe
and instead tried to vest its
effect in the "vacuum." This
idea was suitably mystical to
allow them to introduce the
associated plaver into the folk
lore of QM, given the sociology
of the day. Even in spite of
this BS, the idea still has
merit. Your objection on the
basis of the 1/r² fall-off is
true but not conclusive. This
fall-off is matched by a r²
increase in muber of charges, so
the integrated total interaction
can be expected to have at least
some effect, no matter what.
Think of the universe to 1st
order as a neutral, low-density
plasma. I (and some others) hold
that this interaction is
responcible for all quantum
effects. In any case, no
particle is a universe unto
itself, the rest have the
poulation and time to take a
toll! <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class="">BTW, this
is history repeating itself.
Once upon a time there was
theory of Brownian motion that
posited an internal cause known
as "elan vital" to dust specks
observed hopping about like
Mexican jumping beans.
Ultimately this nonsense was
displaced by the observation
that the dust spots were not
alone in their immediate
universe but imbededded in a
slurry of other particles, also
in motion, to which they were
reacting. Nowadays atoms are
analysed in QM text books as if
they were the only object in the
universe---all others being too
far away (so it is argued,
anyway). <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class="">Your
model, as it stands, can be free
of contradiction and still
unstatisfying because the inputs
seem to be just what is needed
to make the conclusions you aim
to make. Fine, but what most
critics will expect is that
these inputs have to have some
kind of justification or
motivation. This is what the
second particle lacks. Where is
it when one really looks for it?
It has no empirical motivation.
Thus, this theory then has
about the same ultimate
structure, and pursuasiveness,
as saying: 'don't worry about
it, God did it; go home, open a
beer, pop your feet up, and
forget about it---a theory which
explains absolutely everything!<o:p
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12. November 2015 um 16:18
Uhr<br class="">
<b class="">Von:</b> "Dr.
Albrecht Giese"<span
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<b class="">Betreff:</b> Re:
[General] Reply of comments
from what a model…<o:p
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Al,<br class="">
<br class="">
I have gotten a different
understanding of what a
virtual particle or a
virtual charge is. This
phenomenon was invented by
Julian Schwinger and
Richard Feynman. They
thought to need it in
order to explain certain
reactions in particle
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factor, where I have shown
that this assumption is
not necessary.<br class="">
<br class="">
If there is a charge then
of course this charge is
subject to interactions
with all other charges in
the universe. That is
correct. But because of
the normal distribution of
these other charges in the
universe, which cause a
good compensation of the
effects, and because of
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law we can think about
models without reference
to those. And also there
is the problem with
virtual particles and
vacuum polarization (which
is equivalent), in that we
have this huge problem
that the integrated energy
of it over the universe is
by a factor of 10^120
higher than the energy
measured. I think this is
a really big argument
against virtual effects.<br
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<br class="">
Your example of the
virtual image of a charge
in a conducting surface is
a different case. It is,
as you write, the
rearrangement of charges
in the conducting surface.
So the partner of the
charge is physically the
mirror, not the picture
behind it. But which
mirror can cause the
second particle in a model
if the second particle is
not assumed to be real?<br
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<br class="">
And what in general is the
problem with a two
particle model? It fulfils
the momentum law. And it
does not cause further
conflicts. It also
explains why an
accelerated electron
sometimes radiates,
sometimes not. For an
experimental evidence I
refer again to the article
of Frank Wilczek in
"Nature" which was
mentioned here earlier:<br
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"By combining
fragmentation with
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we can get
half-electrons that
are their own
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sans-serif;" class="">For
Wilczek this is a
mysterious result, in view
of my model it is not, on
the contrary it is kind of
a proof.<br class="">
<br class="">
Grüße<br class="">
Albrecht</span><span
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12.11.2015 um 03:06
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class="">Virtual
particles are
proxys for an
ensemble of real
particles. There
is nothing
folly-lolly about
them! They simply
summarize the
total effect of
particles that
cannot be ignored.
To ignore the
remainder of the
universe becasue
it is inconvenient
for theory
formulation is for
certain leading to
error. "No man is
an island," and
no single particle
is a universe!
Thus, it can be
argued that, to
reject the concept
of virtual
particles is to
reject a facit of
reality that must
be essential for
an explantion of
the material
world.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size:
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class="">For
example, if a
positive charge is
placed near a
conducting
surface, the
charges in that
surface will
respond to the
positive charge by
rearranging
themselves so as
to give a total
field on the
surface of zero
strength as if
there were a
negative charge
(virtual) behind
the mirror.
Without the real
charges on the
mirror surface,
the concept of
"virtual" negative
charge would not
be necessary or
even useful. <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class="">The
concept of virtual
charge as the
second particle in
your model seems
to me to be not
just a wild
supposition, but
an absolute
necessity. Every
charge is, without
choice, in
constant
interaction with
every other charge
in the universe,
has been so since
the big bang (if
such were) and
will remain so
till the big
crunch (if such is
to be)! The
universe cannot be
ignored. If you
reject including
the universe by
means of virtual
charges, them you
have a lot more
work to do to make
your theory
reasonable some
how else. In
particular in view
of the fact that
the second
particles in your
model have never
ever been seen or
even suspected in
the various
experiments
resulting in the
disasssmbly of
whatever targert
was used. <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class="">Hi
Al,<br
class="">
<br class="">
if we think in
categories of
a virtual
image, then we
are in my
understanding
fully on the
path of
present main
stream QM. I
have
understood
that we all
want to do
something
better than
that.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Regarding
virtual
phenomena I
would like to
remind you
again of the
history of
such ideas. In
the 1940ies
Julian
Schwinger has
introduced
vacuum
polarization
(which is
equivalent to
virtual
particles
according to
Feynman) to
determine the
Landé factor
for refining
the Bohr
magneton. This
was the birth
of it.<br
class="">
<br class="">
On the other
hand I have
shown that I
can deduce the
Bohr magneton
as well as the
Landé factor
in a classical
way if I use
my particle
model. And
that is
possible and
was done on a
pure classical
way. For me
this is a good
example that
we can do
things better
than by QM. In
particular I
try to have
correct
results
without using
any virtual
objects.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Back to your
question: If
we build a
particle model
on a classical
basis then
there is no
place for a
virtual image,
and so I see
the need for
two
sub-particles.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Ciao, Albrecht<br
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<br class="">
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11.11.2015 um
17:27 schrieb<span
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class="">You
said: A model
with only one
particle is in
my view also
not possible
as it violates
the
conservation
of momentum. A
single object
can never
oscillate.</span><span
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class="">I
ask: Why
can't a single
particle
oscillate
against, or in
consort with,
its own
virtual image.
(Presuming
there is
charge complex
around---mirror
in 2d,
negative
sphere (I
think) in
3d)? </span><span
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