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    <big><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small><small>Hi
            Chip,</small> <br>
          <br>
          abstractions are indeed an interesting matter.</small></font></big><font
      face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small><big> However I see
          some criteria to judge about the degree of abstraction of
          something we talk about. I shall try to explain my view in your
          text.</big><br>
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      </small></font>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
        serif"><small>Am 17.11.2015 um 15:10 schrieb Chip Akins:</small></font><br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Albrecht<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your comments.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">In all our work there are many things which
          could be called abstractions.  I think it is a matter of our
          individual perceptions which causes us to believe certain
          things are abstract while other similar things are not
          abstract to us.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The concept of energy for example.  For me
          this is a very abstract thing.  Energy seems to me to be the
          motion (propagation) of a disturbance of a specific magnitude
          through the medium of space.  The properties (tension, moduli)
          of space cause such a disturbance to be pushed away
          (rejected), from one position in space as that position
          renormalizes and the disturbance is passed on… etc.  This
          action is what we have seen in other media to be wave action.</p>
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    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">May I start with a simple
      example, of how I see the different degrees of abstraction?<br>
      <br>
      Assume a stone. That is more an object, not an abstraction in my
      understanding. I can touch the stone, I can put it into a box, or
      take it out and put it into another box. Or I can use an adhesive
      to glue it to the ground. The stone has properties like a colour,
      a weight, a temperature. Those are real abstractions in my view.
      We cannot glue the temperature to the ground or glue the colour
      onto the ground, or the weight. <br>
      <br>
      And it can have energy. That is also an abstraction which cannot
      be taken in the hand or thrown off.  <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Because matter is made of energy, E=mc<sup>2</sup>,
          and we can see that energy propagates linearly through space
          at the speed of light, many physicists have imagined, in
          various ways, that matter also is made of energy propagating
          at the speed of light.</p>
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    </blockquote>
    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Here I would like to
      object. You cannot transport energy in my understanding. You can
      transport an object which has energy.</font><br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:02e301d12141$c8973a80$59c5af80$@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">If that is actually what matter is
          physically, then it is not an abstract but a physical process
          we are discussing.  The binding force(s) which would hold
          matter together, in such a physical (not abstract) system,
          would be a bit difficult to isolate and verify, because we can
          see from nature that there are only two stable configurations
          for that(those) force(s), the electron and the proton.  And
          those particles are so small that this force would be a bit
          difficult to study.</p>
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    </blockquote>
    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">For matter I do presently
      not have an idea whether it is abstract. I think that his word has
      so many meanings that it is difficult to assign it. Forces are
      abstract, we cannot put a force into a box. Which type of thing is
      an electron or a proton? Here I would also say that it is an
      object as again: I can put an electron into a box, a proton as
      well (which may in practise be difficult as those objects are very
      small). But this view may change if we have a better understanding
      of what it is.</font><br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:02e301d12141$c8973a80$59c5af80$@gmail.com"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I think that is where we are. And if that
          is the case then yes you can bind that energy (which manifests
          itself to us as a wave) to something.  Waves are not
          abstract.  Waves are real.  <i>Waves have momentum</i>.  The
          relationship is often stated as L = E/c for light. And we can
          see that waves traveling through space cause the “abstract
          thing” we call fields.  But the actions of fields are real,
          the physical consequences are real.</p>
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    </blockquote>
    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">For energy I have already
      said that in my view this is abstract. I can transport an object
      having energy, but not the energy itself. And a wave? In my view
      also an abstract. A wave is a property of something different. A
      property of a field if the field changes. But even the field is
      more an abstraction than an object.</font><br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:02e301d12141$c8973a80$59c5af80$@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Space is a medium through which energy can
          travel.  It is likely that energy propagates through space in
          a manner which causes stresses in space so that the energy can
          be propagated as a wave. It is also possible (and I feel it is
          likely) that those stresses and flows of space as energy
          passes are the cause of the fields we sense.  It is not
          difficult to imagine then that energy may move through space
          linearly as light, or in a “vortex” or soliton wave which is
          circular. We can see physical analogies for such motion in
          wind and water.  So I would say that it is not unreasonable to
          consider that energy in space could, under the right
          circumstances, move in a circle with the “forces” perfectly
          balanced. This would involve momentum of the energy against a
          “twist” force.</p>
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    </blockquote>
    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">What is space? I think
      that space is a very complicated thing. The original understanding
      (in history) was that space is nothing than the emptiness which
      gives objects the possibility to move. Nothing to touch. Space
      does not move. It was Einstein's "merit" to give space properties
      like contraction or curvature. But if we look what Einstein did in
      detail, then we see that Einstein has used space properties as a
      mathematical tool to solve the equation c + v = c, which is not
      solvable by normal mathematics. If the physicists would have
      followed the relativity of Hendrik Lorentz (which I find much
      better by a lot of reasons), then no physicist these days would
      assume specific properties of "space".</font><br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:02e301d12141$c8973a80$59c5af80$@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">If we use this approach it seems we can
          understand what a particle is. My quest is to understand what
          “particles” are and why they behave exactly as they do.  <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Therefore your two envisioned particle
          model just does not get me any closer to my goal.  That is not
          to say your model is without merit.  I have learned quite a
          bit studying your model.  I have understood while studying
          your model how to calculate the inertial mass a particle using
          my model would exhibit.  And then by applying that to the
          electron and integrating, it is precisely the value required
          to accelerate the electron.  Exactly the inertial mass of the
          electron. <br>
        </p>
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    </blockquote>
    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Why not assume that a
      particle, an electron, is a configuration of charges? That of
      course emphasizes that a charge is not an abstraction. The latter
      is not really for sure. We could follow two approaches: 1.) we can
      assume that charge is the property of something; then charge is an
      abstraction; or 2.) we can assume that if an object does not have
      any other properties than charge, we understand charge as an
      object. <br>
      <br>
      I find both reasonable approaches. And the one or the other is the
      basis of my model. And to come back to my statement at the start:
      I can take a charge - or a charged object - and put in into one
      box or move it from one box into the other one. Many years ago I
      have given lessons to young boys and girls who wanted to learn
      electronics. I have shown them a little experiment where I have
      demonstrated how a charge can be moved. From this view, it is not
      an abstract. <br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:02e301d12141$c8973a80$59c5af80$@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> <font face="Times New Roman, Times,
            serif"><o:p></o:p></font></p>
        <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> </font>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><o:p> </o:p></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for communicating your vision. 
          It has been inspiring.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Chip</p>
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    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Thank you for your
      interest and your initiative for this little discussion.<br>
      <br>
      Albrecht</font><br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:02e301d12141$c8973a80$59c5af80$@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                Dr. Albrecht Giese [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                  href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">mailto:genmail@a-giese.de</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 16, 2015 3:16 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Chip Akins <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"><chipakins@gmail.com></a>;
                'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <a
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments from
                what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Chip,<br>
          <br>
          thanks for your proposals. I have inserted some comments into
          the text.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Am 14.11.2015 um 17:13 schrieb Chip
            Akins:<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Albrecht<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">What if, for purposes of conjecture, we
            replace your two “particles” in the electron, with an EM
            wave which has a wavelength of twice the circumference?  <o:p></o:p></p>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">How can you bind a wave to something? That
          sounds very strange to me. In the vicinity of a charge we can
          feel a force. It is an abstraction to call this situation a
          field. And if this field changes with time and propagates into
          the space, we call it a wave. You cannot bind a wave to
          something, so as you cannot bind the wind to a tree.<br>
          <br>
          What we can bind is the charge which is the cause of the field
          and of a wave. And a wave cannot build a spin. As a
          comparison, a squirl in the air or in the water can build an
          angular momentum. But that has to do with the air or the
          water. The squirl without air or water, which is a pure
          abstraction, cannot cause any binding forces. Similar to an
          electric wave apart from a charge.<br>
          <br>
          An EM wave is an electric field which is modulated and which
          propagates. The magnetic part of it is, as discussed here
          before, nothing than an impression which we have of the
          electric field. A relativistic side effect. Similar to the
          Coriolis force which is as well an impression (i.e. also a
          seeming side effect, but in this case not relativistic).<br>
          <br>
          So we should talk about real things and that are charges in my
          understanding.<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p class="MsoNormal">And now let us consider that the “binding
            force” which holds this wave in a circular confinement is
            the same “force” which causes spin angular momentum in
            light.  The EM “wave” would have the negative portion always
            away from the center for the electron, and the confinement
            of the wave causes a curvature in (divergence of) the E
            field which in turn would be the cause for the appearance of
            the elementary charge.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">It seems that such a model would 1)
            conserve momentum, 2) cause inertial mass <i>(because of
              confined momentum and the speed of light velocity limit)</i>,
            and 3) radiate when accelerated under most circumstances <i>(except

              gravitational acceleration, if gravity is simply the
              diffraction of waves.)</i><o:p></o:p></p>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">How do you think to accelerate an abstract
          wave? <br>
          <br>
          If you understand this wave as a cause of inertial mass, can
          you present a quantitative calculation of the mass which is
          the result of this effect? - I can do it for my model with
          high precision (see below).<br>
          <br>
          If gravity is a case of diffraction, or better of refraction,
          then there is an object refracted or a moving charge, but not
          a wave.<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">If we do this, we have an electron model
            which consists of <i>just one item</i> and explains (it
            seems) the same things that your model explains, but without
            the need for two entities within this elementary particle.<o:p></o:p></p>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">As a wave cannot have a momentum it will
          not violate the conservation of momentum, true, but it cannot
          build anything than mathematical equations.<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">The reason for posing this question is
            that there is no experimental evidence that the electron is
            comprised of two particles.  However there is much evidence
            that it is a single thing comprised of energy.<o:p></o:p></p>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I say it again: There is evidence for two
          sub-particles. And I refer again to the experiment described
          by Frank Wilczek where two halves of an electron have been
          observed:<br>
          <br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</a><br>
          <br>
          And there is NO evidence of a "single thing" if investigated
          in relation to my model (having mass-less constituents).<br>
          <br>
          And another evidence (an indirect one): Only an object built
          by two constituents (as a minimum) can have inertia. We all
          know that the Higgs model does not work for inertia. And my
          model using 2 sub-particles yields the mass of e.g. the
          electron with an accuracy of 1 : 500'000. Do you know any
          model which yields results of this accuracy? - <br>
          I do not know any else model for this, and am presenting this
          model since 15 years on conferences all over the world, and
          there have been no objections. <br>
          <br>
          Best<br>
          Albrecht<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                  General [</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr. Albrecht Giese<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">af.kracklauer@web.de</span></a><span
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                  <b>Cc:</b> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a><span
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                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments from
                  what a model…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Al,<br>
            <br>
            Why do we need a background? If I assume only local forces
            (strong and electric) for my model, the calculation conforms
            to the measurement (e.g. between mass and magnetic moment)
            with a precision of 2 : 1'000'000. This is no incident. Not
            possible, if a poorly defined and stable background has a
            measurable influence. - And if there should be such
            background and it has such little effect, which mistake do
            we make if we ignore that?<br>
            <br>
            For the competition of the 1/r<sup>2</sup> law for range of
            charges and the r<sup>2</sup> law for the quantity of
            charges we have a popular example when we look at the sky at
            night. The sky is dark and that shows that the r<sup>2</sup>
            case (number of shining stars) does in no way compensates
            for the 1/r<sup>2</sup> case (light flow density from the
            stars).<br>
            <br>
            Why is a 2 particle model necessary?<br>
            <br>
            1.) for the conservation of momentum<br>
            2.) for a cause of the inertial mass<br>
            3.) for the radiation at acceleration which occurs most
            time, but does not occur in specific situations. Not
            explained elsewhere.<br>
            <br>
            Ciao, Albrecht<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Am 13.11.2015 um 20:31 schrieb <a
                class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi

                    Albrecht:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Your

                    proposed experiment is hampered by reality!  If you
                    do the measurement with a gaget bought in a store
                    that has knobes and a display, then the measurement
                    is for certain for signals under a couple hundred
                    GHz and based on some phenomena for which the
                    sensitivity of man-made devices is limited.  And, if
                    limited to the electric field, then there is a good
                    chance it is missing altogether oscillating signals
                    by virtue of its limited reaction time of reset
                    time, etc. etc.  The vast majority of the background
                    will be much higher, the phenomena most attuned to
                    detecting might be in fact the quantum effects
                    otherwise explained with mystical hokus-pokus!  Also
                    to be noted is that, the processes invovled in your
                    model, if they pertain to elementray entities, will
                    have to be at very small size and if at the velocity
                    (c) will be very high energy, etc. so that once
                    again, it is quite reasonable to suppose that the
                    universe is anything but irrelavant! </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Of

                    course, there is then the issue of the divergence of
                    the this SED background.  Ameliorated to some extent
                    with the realization that there is no energy at a
                    point in empty space until a charged entity is put
                    there, whereupon the energy of interaction with the
                    rest of the universe (not just by itself being there
                    and ignoring the universe---as QM theorists, and
                    yourself, are wont to do) is given by the sum of
                    interactions over all particles not by the integral
                    over all space, including empty space.  Looks at
                    first blush to be finite. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Why

                    fight it?  Where the hell else will you find a
                    credible 2nd particle?  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">ciao,

                     Al</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Freitag,

                        13. November 2015 um 12:11 Uhr<br>
                        <b>Von:</b> "Dr. Albrecht Giese" </span><a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><span
                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"></span></a><a
                        class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                        href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                        <b>An:</b> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><span
                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">af.kracklauer@web.de</span></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                        <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments
                        from what a model…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                          Al,<br>
                          <br>
                          if we look to charges you mention the law 1/r<sup>2</sup>.
                          Now we can perform a simple physical
                          experiment having an electrically charged
                          object and using it to measure the electric
                          field around us. I say: it is very weak. Now
                          look to the distance of the two half-charges
                          within the particle having a distance of 4*10<sup>-13</sup>
                          m. This means an increase of force of about 25
                          orders of magnitude compared to what we do in
                          a lab. And the difference is much greater if
                          we refer to charges acting from the universe.
                          So I think we do not make a big mistake
                          assuming that there is nothing outside the
                          particle.<br>
                          <br>
                          Regarding my model, the logic of deduction was
                          very simple for me:<br>
                          <br>
                          1.) We have dilation, so there must be a
                          permanent motion with c<br>
                          2.) There must be 2 sub-particles otherwise
                          the momentum law is violated; 3 are not
                          possible as in conflict with experiments.<br>
                          3.) The sub-particles must be mass-less,
                          otherwise c is not possible<br>
                          4.) The whole particle has mass even though
                          the sub-particles are mass-less. So there must
                          be a mechanism to cause inertia. It was
                          immediately clear for me that inertia is a
                          consequence of extension. Another reason to
                          assume a particle which is composed of parts.
                          (There is no other working mechanism of
                          inertia known until today.)<br>
                          5.) I had to find the binding field for the
                          sub-particles. I have taken the simplest one
                          which I could find which has a potential
                          minimum at some distance. And my first attempt
                          worked.<br>
                          <br>
                          That is all, and I do not see any possibility
                          to change one of the points 1.) thru 5.)
                          without getting in conflict with fundamental
                          physical rules. And I do not invent new facts
                          or rules beyond those already known in
                          physics.<br>
                          <br>
                          So, where do you see any kind of arbitrariness
                          or missing justification?<br>
                          <br>
                          Tschüß!<br>
                          Albrecht<br>
                          <br>
                            </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Am
                            12.11.2015 um 17:51 schrieb </span><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><span
                              style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"></span></a><a
                            class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                            href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi

                                  Albrect:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We

                                  are making some progress.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">To

                                  your remark that Swinger & Feynman
                                  introduced virtual charges, I note
                                  that they used the same term: "virtual
                                  charge/particle," in spite of the much
                                  older meaning in accord with the
                                  charge and mirror example.  In the
                                  finest of quantum traditions, they too
                                  ignored the rest of the universe and
                                  instead tried to vest its effect in
                                  the "vacuum."  This idea was suitably
                                  mystical to allow them to introduce
                                  the associated plaver into the folk
                                  lore of QM, given the sociology of the
                                  day.  Even in spite of this BS, the
                                  idea still has merit. Your objection
                                  on the basis of the 1/r² fall-off is
                                  true but not conclusive.  This
                                  fall-off is matched by a r² increase
                                  in muber of charges, so the integrated
                                  total interaction can be expected to
                                  have at least some effect, no matter
                                  what.  Think of the universe to 1st
                                  order as a neutral, low-density
                                  plasma. I (and some others) hold that
                                  this interaction is responcible for
                                  all quantum effects.  In any case, no
                                  particle is a universe unto itself,
                                  the rest have the poulation and time
                                  to take a toll!  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">BTW,

                                  this is history repeating itself.
                                   Once upon a time there was theory of
                                  Brownian motion that posited an
                                  internal cause known as "elan vital"
                                  to dust specks observed hopping about
                                  like Mexican jumping beans.
                                   Ultimately this nonsense was
                                  displaced by the observation that the
                                  dust spots were not alone in their
                                  immediate universe but imbededded in a
                                  slurry of other particles, also in
                                  motion, to which they were reacting.
                                   Nowadays atoms are analysed in QM
                                  text books as if they were the only
                                  object in the universe---all others
                                  being too far away (so it is argued,
                                  anyway).  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Your

                                  model, as it stands, can be free of
                                  contradiction and still unstatisfying
                                  because the inputs seem to be just
                                  what is needed to make the conclusions
                                  you aim to make.  Fine, but what most
                                  critics will expect is that these
                                  inputs have to have some kind of
                                  justification or motivation.  This is
                                  what the second particle lacks.  Where
                                  is it when one really looks for it?
                                   It has no empirical motivation.  
                                  Thus, this theory then has about the
                                  same ultimate structure, and
                                  pursuasiveness, as saying: 'don't
                                  worry about it, God did it; go home,
                                  open a beer, pop your feet up, and
                                  forget about it---a theory which
                                  explains absolutely everything!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="background:white"><span
                                  style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Tschuß,

                                   Al</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    style="background:white"><b><span
                                        style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Donnerstag,

                                      12. November 2015 um 16:18 Uhr<br>
                                      <b>Von:</b> "Dr. Albrecht Giese" </span><a
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"></span></a><a
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                                      <b>An:</b> </span><a
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                                      target="_parent"><span
                                        style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"></span></a><a
                                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                      href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                                      <b>Cc:</b> </span><a
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                                      <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General]
                                      Reply of comments from what a
                                      model…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><span
                                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi

                                        Al,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I have gotten a different
                                        understanding of what a virtual
                                        particle or a virtual charge is.
                                        This phenomenon was invented by
                                        Julian Schwinger and Richard
                                        Feynman. They thought to need it
                                        in order to explain certain
                                        reactions in particle physics.
                                        In the case of Schwinger it was
                                        the Landé factor, where I have
                                        shown that this assumption is
                                        not necessary.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        If there is a charge then of
                                        course this charge is subject to
                                        interactions with all other
                                        charges in the universe. That is
                                        correct. But because of the
                                        normal distribution of these
                                        other charges in the universe,
                                        which cause a good compensation
                                        of the effects, and because of
                                        the distance law we can think
                                        about models without reference
                                        to those. And also there is the
                                        problem with virtual particles
                                        and vacuum polarization (which
                                        is equivalent), in that we have
                                        this huge problem that the
                                        integrated energy of it over the
                                        universe is by a factor of
                                        10^120 higher than the energy
                                        measured. I think this is a
                                        really big argument against
                                        virtual effects.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Your example of the virtual
                                        image of a charge in a
                                        conducting surface is a
                                        different case. It is, as you
                                        write, the rearrangement of
                                        charges in the conducting
                                        surface. So the partner of the
                                        charge is physically the mirror,
                                        not the picture behind it. But
                                        which mirror can cause the
                                        second particle in a model if
                                        the second particle is not
                                        assumed to be real?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        And what in general is the
                                        problem with a two particle
                                        model? It fulfils the momentum
                                        law. And it does not cause
                                        further conflicts. It also
                                        explains why an accelerated
                                        electron sometimes radiates,
                                        sometimes not. For an
                                        experimental evidence I refer
                                        again to the article of Frank
                                        Wilczek in "Nature" which was
                                        mentioned here earlier:<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com"
                                        target="_blank"><span
                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">: </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="background:white"><span
                                          class="current-selection"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">He
                                            writes: "By combining
                                            fragmentation with super</span></span><span
                                          class="ls0"><span
                                            style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">-</span></span><span
                                          class="current-selection"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">conductivity,

                                            we can get half-electrons
                                            that are their own
                                            antiparticles." </span></span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                                           </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white"><span
                                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">For

                                        Wilczek this is a mysterious
                                        result, in view of my model it
                                        is not, on the contrary it is
                                        kind of a proof.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Grüße<br>
                                        Albrecht</span><span
                                        style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                                        <br>
                                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="background:white"><span
                                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Am

                                          12.11.2015 um 03:06 schrieb </span><a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"></span></a><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                                                Albrecht:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                          </div>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Virtual

                                                particles are proxys for
                                                an ensemble of real
                                                particles.  There is
                                                nothing folly-lolly
                                                about them!  They simply
                                                summarize the total
                                                effect of particles that
                                                cannot be ignored.  To
                                                ignore the remainder of
                                                the universe becasue it
                                                is inconvenient for
                                                theory formulation is
                                                for certain leading to
                                                error.  "No man is an
                                                island,"  and no single
                                                particle is a universe!
                                                 Thus, it can be argued
                                                that, to reject the
                                                concept of virtual
                                                particles is to reject a
                                                facit of reality that
                                                must be essential for an
                                                explantion of the
                                                material world.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">For
                                                example, if a positive
                                                charge is placed near a
                                                conducting surface, the
                                                charges in that surface
                                                will respond to the
                                                positive charge by
                                                rearranging themselves
                                                so as to give a total
                                                field on the surface of
                                                zero strength as if
                                                there were a negative
                                                charge (virtual) behind
                                                the mirror.  Without the
                                                real charges on the
                                                mirror surface, the
                                                concept of "virtual"
                                                negative charge would
                                                not be necessary or even
                                                useful.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
                                                concept of virtual
                                                charge as the second
                                                particle in your model
                                                seems to me to be not
                                                just a wild supposition,
                                                but an absolute
                                                necessity.  Every charge
                                                is, without choice, in
                                                constant interaction
                                                with every other charge
                                                in the universe, has
                                                been so since the big
                                                bang (if such were) and
                                                will remain so till the
                                                big crunch (if such is
                                                to be)!  The universe
                                                cannot be ignored. If
                                                you reject including the
                                                universe by means of
                                                virtual charges, them
                                                you have a lot more work
                                                to do to make your
                                                theory reasonable some
                                                how else.  In particular
                                                in view of the fact that
                                                the second particles in
                                                your model have never
                                                ever been seen or even
                                                suspected in the various
                                                experiments resulting in
                                                the disasssmbly of
                                                whatever targert was
                                                used.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">MfG,
                                                 Al</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Mittwoch,

                                                    11. November 2015 um
                                                    22:37 Uhr<br>
                                                    <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                    Albrecht Giese" </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><span
                                                      style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"></span></a><a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                                                    <b>An:</b> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><span
                                                      style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"></span></a><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">, </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                    href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"></span></a><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                    href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><br>
                                                    <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                    [General] Reply of
                                                    comments from what a
                                                    model…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi
                                                      Al,<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      if we think in
                                                      categories of a
                                                      virtual image,
                                                      then we are in my
                                                      understanding
                                                      fully on the path
                                                      of present main
                                                      stream QM. I have
                                                      understood that we
                                                      all want to do
                                                      something better
                                                      than that.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Regarding virtual
                                                      phenomena I would
                                                      like to remind you
                                                      again of the
                                                      history of such
                                                      ideas. In the
                                                      1940ies Julian
                                                      Schwinger has
                                                      introduced vacuum
                                                      polarization
                                                      (which is
                                                      equivalent to
                                                      virtual particles
                                                      according to
                                                      Feynman) to
                                                      determine the
                                                      Landé factor for
                                                      refining the Bohr
                                                      magneton. This was
                                                      the birth of it.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      On the other hand
                                                      I have shown that
                                                      I can deduce the
                                                      Bohr magneton as
                                                      well as the Landé
                                                      factor in a
                                                      classical way if I
                                                      use my particle
                                                      model. And that is
                                                      possible and was
                                                      done on a pure
                                                      classical way. For
                                                      me this is a good
                                                      example that we
                                                      can do things
                                                      better than by QM.
                                                      In particular I
                                                      try to have
                                                      correct results
                                                      without using any
                                                      virtual objects.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Back to your
                                                      question: If we
                                                      build a particle
                                                      model on a
                                                      classical basis
                                                      then there is no
                                                      place for a
                                                      virtual image, and
                                                      so I see the need
                                                      for two
                                                      sub-particles.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Ciao, Albrecht<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                        </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                        11.11.2015 um
                                                        17:27 schrieb </span><a
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                                                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Mittwoch,

                                                          11. November
                                                          2015 um 11:54
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Dr.

                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" </span><a
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                                                          <b>An:</b> </span><a
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                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:

                                                          [General]
                                                          Reply of
                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi

                                                           Albrecht:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#006600">You

                                                          said:  A model
                                                          with only one
                                                          particle is in
                                                          my view also
                                                          not possible
                                                          as it violates
                                                          the
                                                          conservation
                                                          of momentum. A
                                                          single object
                                                          can never
                                                          oscillate.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#006600">I
                                                          ask:   Why
                                                          can't a single
                                                          particle
                                                          oscillate
                                                          against, or in
                                                          consort with,
                                                          its own
                                                          virtual image.
                                                          (Presuming
                                                          there is
                                                          charge complex
                                                          around---mirror

                                                          in 2d,
                                                          negative
                                                          sphere (I
                                                          think) in
                                                          3d)? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                           Al</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus"><span
                      style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">www.avast.com</span></a><span
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                                Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft.
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