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    <small>Chandra,<br>
      <br>
      thank you for your explanations. </small><br>
    <br>
    <small>However what's about your statement:  </small><big><span
        style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">"So, there are no
        INERTIAL Frame of Reference anywhere in this universe"? On the
        other hand you assume a Stationary Complex Tension Field (CTF).
        In my understanding, the CTF is just an example of an absolute
        frame of reference. How not?<br>
        <br>
        By the way, I do not see SR (or GR) as the foundation of
        physics. But we have relativistic phenomena, which are not
        fundamental for our physical world, but certain facts which
        happen. I attribute the relativistic phenomena to certain
        processes of particles and field, as you may have noticed.<br>
        <br>
        Let's take an example which is quite simple. If we move a clock,
        then the clock runs slower. This can easily be verified if we
        move an atomic clock. The same is true for all temporal
        processes and events in physics. Now, if one star moves with
        respect to another one, all temporal processes run more slowly.
        This is a fact which we cannot deny. If we are now on a moving
        star and observe that the physical processes are similar to
        those on a star at rest, then they cannot be the same, but the
        effects of motion just compensate each other. <br>
        <br>
        An example: Most physicists these days say that the speed of
        light is the same on all moving systems. Can this be true? No,
        it cannot, because if we measure the speed of light with a clock
        running differently from another clock and we get the same
        result, it can logically not be the same speed. We only measure
        the same speed which is an illusion. This is true for all
        physical processes. So the statement:   </span></big><span
      style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">"The LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE
      SAME IN ALL STARS"</span><big><span
        style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"> are only true as an
        illusion. <br>
        <br>
        Regarding the CTF I must confess that I have not read and not
        understood the details. You say that it has dielectric and
        magnetic tensions which determine the velocity of EM waves. This
        is an old problem as magnetism is not an original force but a
        relativistic side effect of the electrical force. So this way of
        thinking - like about EM waves - may work in a practical sense,
        but it does not refer to fundamental physical reactions. (That
        is not a specific problem of CTF but as well of
        electromagnetism.)<br>
        <br>
        What about the doughnut-like wavicles? It looks like a
        complicated shape, at which wavicles are realized. I would like
        to better understand what </span></big><big><span
        style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">makes </span></big><big><span
        style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">them stable with
        respect to their shape and to their motion. Do you have a model
        for the stability?<br>
        <br>
        At the end, the goal in physics was always to have a simple
        solution which starts from some as well simple assumptions and
        is able to explain all observations. Do you see this too as a
        goal?<br>
        <br>
        Sincerely<br>
        Albrecht</span></big><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.11.2015 um 21:36 schrieb
      Roychoudhuri, Chandra:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">Albrecht: May be
            you are finally finding the limitation behind using SR as
            the foundation of Physics.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">No stars or
            galaxies are stationary. All are moving with respect to each
            other. So, there are no INERTIAL Frame of Reference anywhere
            in this universe. Yet, line-centers of the emitted spectral
            lines are identical whether the light is collected from a
            distant star; or from a discharge tube on earth. And even
            the Doppler line broadening are precisely given by the local
            ambient temperatures.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">The LAWS OF
            PHYSICS ARE SAME IN ALL STARS (not in all inertial frames;
            which does not exist). So, we need the postulate of the
            stationary CTF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">The universe is
            manifest as various kinds of excitations of the STATIOINARY
            Complex Tension Field (CTF). EM waves are linear excitations
            and hence move perpetually with the same velocity determined
            the dielectric and magnetic tensions of CTF. Particles are
            “wavicles”, localized in-phase self-looped propagation of
            waves of the CTF - doughnut-like (hence resonant and the
            origin of quantum-ness). These self-looped waves are like EM
            waves; but they are not quantized photons; they are
            quantized “wavicles”. Because finite EM wave packets (no
            Fourier modes exist) and particles (“wavicles”) are
            some-what similar propagating excitations (un-looped and
            self-looped) of the same CTF; they are eminently
            inter-convertible when the energy contents allow this
            through conservation of energy. The root cause behind the
            observable universal energy conservation is due to the fact
            that CTF, by itself, cannot dissipate the excitation energy
            in its own body; one excitation must be converted into
            another set of excitations. Forces in this CTF model are due
            to the various secondary potential gradients generated
            around the “wavicles” in the body of CTF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">I understand that
            my CTF model for particles and waves; and the current model
            of particle theory with the forces as quantized exchange
            particles, are incompatible!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">Chandra. <o:p>
            </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">==================================================<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                General
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Albrecht Giese<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:43 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Richard Gauthier<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
                Discussion<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments from
                what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello Richard,<br>
          <br>
          I never have persistently tried to develop a 2-particle model.
          What I have persistently tried was to find a good explanation
          for relativistic dilation. And there I found a solution which
          has satisfied me. All the rest including the 2 particles in my
          model where logical consequences where I did not see
          alternatives. If there should be a model which is an
          alternative in one or the other aspect, I will be happy to see
          it.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Am 22.11.2015 um 00:13 schrieb Richard
            Gauthier:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hello Albrecht, <o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">  I admire your persistence in trying
                to save your doomed (in my opinion) 2-particle electron
                model.
                <o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Why 2 particles in the model? I say it
          again:<br>
          <br>
          1) to maintain the conservation of momentum in the view of
          oscillations<br>
          2) to have a mechanism for inertia (which has very precise
          results, otherwise non-existent in present physics)<br>
          <br>
          I will be happy to see alternatives for both points. Up to now
          I have not seen any.<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Do you understand how unreasonable
                and irrational it appears for you to write:   "Then I
                had to determine the field constant S which is normally
                provided by experiments. But quantum mechanics is so
                unprecise regarding the numeric value of the strong
                force that there is no number available in the data
                tables. Here I found that I could use the Bohr magneton
                to determine the constant. (Which turned out to be S =
                hbar*c, merely a constant).” ? 
                <o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I have once asked one of the leading
          theorists at DESY for a better quantitative explanation or
          determination of the strong force. His answer: Sorry, the
          strong force is not good enough understood so that I cannot
          give you better information.
          <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">How could the number S  that you
                could not find in “unprecise” tables about the strong
                force possibly be the same number that can be found
                precisely from the electron’s Bohr magneton ehbar/2m and
                which you claim is S = hbar*c ? This is an unbelievable,
                desperate stretch of imagination and "grasping at
                straws", in my opinion.
                <o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">When I have realized that my model deduces
          the Bohr magneton, I have used the measurements available in
          that context to determine my field constant. (I could also go
          the other way: I can use the Planck / Einstein relation E = h
          * f and the Einstein-relation E = m*c<sup>2</sup> to determine
          the constant S from the internal frequency in my model. Same
          result. But I like the other way better. BTW: Do you know any
          other model which deduces these relations rather than using
          them as given?)<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Here is the meaning of “grasping at
                straws” from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/grasp+at+straws">http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/grasp+at+straws</a> :<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">grasp
                at straws<o:p></o:p></span></h2>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hvr"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">Also,</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                    class="hvr"><b>clutch</b></span><b> at <span
                      class="hvr">straws</span></b>.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><span
                  class="hvr"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">Make</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><span
                  class="hvr"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">desperate</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                    class="hvr">attempt</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">at</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                    class="hvr">saving</span> <span class="hvr">oneself.</span> <span
                    class="hvr">For</span> <span class="hvr">example,</span> <i>He <span
                      class="hvr">had lost</span> <span class="hvr">the</span> <span
                      class="hvr">argument,</span> <span class="hvr">but</span> he <span
                      class="hvr">kept</span> <span class="hvr">grasping</span> at <span
                      class="hvr">straws,</span> <span class="hvr">naming</span> <span
                      class="hvr">numerous</span> <span class="hvr">previous</span> <span
                      class="hvr">cases</span> <span class="hvr">that had</span> <span
                      class="hvr">little</span> to do <span class="hvr">with</span> <span
                      class="hvr">this</span> <span class="hvr">one</span></i>.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><span
                  class="hvr"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">This</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                    class="hvr">metaphoric</span> <span class="hvr">expression</span> <span
                    class="hvr">alludes</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">to</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                    class="hvr">drowning</span> <span class="hvr">person trying</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">to</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                    class="hvr">save</span> <span class="hvr">himself</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">by</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                    class="hvr">grabbing</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">at</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                    class="hvr">flimsy</span> <span class="hvr">reeds.</span> <span
                    class="hvr">First</span> <span class="hvr">recorded</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">in</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                    class="hvr">1534,</span> <span class="hvr">the</span> <span
                    class="hvr">term</span> <span class="hvr">was used</span> <span
                    class="hvr">figuratively</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">by</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                    class="hvr">the</span> <span class="hvr">late</span> <span
                    class="hvr">1600s.</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">I am not at all opposed to using
                desperate measures to find or save a hypothesis that is
                very important to you. Max Planck described his efforts
                to fit the black body radiation equation using quantized
                energies of hypothetical oscillators as an "act of
                desperation”.  So you are of course free to keep
                desperately trying to save your 2-particle electron
                hypothesis. I personally think that your many talents in
                physics could be better spent in other ways, for example
                in revising your electron model to make it more
                consistent with experimental facts.<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Do you know any other electron model which
          is so much consistent with experimental facts (e.g. size and
          mass) as this one (without needing the usual mystifications of
          quantum mechanics)?<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">   By the way, van der Waals forces
                do not "bind atoms to form a molecule". They are
                attractive or repulsive forces between molecules or
                between parts of a molecule. According to Wikipedia:<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">" <span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white">the </span><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525">van
                    der Waals forces</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> (or </span><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525">van

                    der Waals' interaction</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white">),
                  named after </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands"
                  title="Netherlands"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">Dutch</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> </span><a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientist"
                  title="Scientist"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">scientist</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> </span><a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Diderik_van_der_Waals"
                  title="Johannes Diderik van der Waals"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">Johannes

                    Diderik van der Waals</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white">,
                  is the sum of the attractive or repulsive forces
                  between </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecule"
                  title="Molecule"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">molecules</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> (or

                  between parts of the same molecule) other than those
                  due to </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covalent_bond"
                  title="Covalent bond"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">covalent
                    bonds</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white">,
                  or the </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_interaction"
                  title="Electrostatic interaction"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">electrostatic
                    interaction</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> of </span><a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion" title="Ion"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">ions</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> with

                  one another, with neutral molecules, or with charged
                  molecules.</span><sup id="cite_ref-1"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force#cite_note-1"><span
                        style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">[1]</span></a></span></sup><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> The

                  resulting van der Waals forces can be attractive or
                  repulsive.</span><sup
                  id="cite_ref-Van_OssAbsolom1980_2-0"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525"><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force#cite_note-Van_OssAbsolom1980-2"><span
                        style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">[2]</span></a></span></sup><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Yes, my arrangement of charges of the
          strong force causes as well a combination of attractive and
          repulsive forces and is doing the same like in the van der
          Waals case. That was my reason to refer to them.<br>
          <br>
          Best regards<br>
          Albrecht<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">with best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">      Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <blockquote
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 21, 2015, at 8:32 AM,
                        Albrecht Giese <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>
                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello Richard,<br>
                          <br>
                          I am a bit confused how badly my attempted
                          explanations have reached you.<br>
                          <br>
                          I have NOT used the Bohr magneton to determine
                          the radius R of an electron. I deduced the
                          radius directly from the measured magnetic
                          moment using the classical equation for the
                          magnetic moment.<br>
                          <br>
                          For the binding force of the sub-particles I
                          needed a multipole field which has a potential
                          minimum at a distance R<sub>0</sub>. The
                          simplest shape of such a field which I could
                          find was for the force F:<br>
                          F = S * (R<sub>0</sub> - R) /R<sup>3</sup>.
                          Here R<sub>0</sub> is of course the
                          equilibrium distance and S the field constant.
                          I wanted to refer to an existing field of a
                          proper strength, and that could only be the
                          strong force. Then I had to determine the
                          field constant S which is normally provided by
                          experiments. But quantum mechanics is so
                          unprecise regarding the numeric value of the
                          strong force that there is no number available
                          in the data tables. Here I found that I could
                          use the Bohr magneton to determine the
                          constant. (Which turned out to be S = hbar*c,
                          merely a constant).<br>
                          <br>
                          From the equation for F given above the
                          inertial mass of the particle follows from a
                          deduction which is given on my website:
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass">www.ag-physics.org/rmass</a>  
                          . Too long to present it here, but straight
                          and inevitable. Here the result again: m = S /
                          (R * c<sup>2</sup>) .<br>
                          <br>
                          If you are unsatisfied by my deduction of this
                          field, what is about the van der Waals forces
                          which bind atoms to build a molecule? Did van
                          der Waals have had a better way of deduction
                          in that case? I think that the fact that the
                          von der Waals forces act so as observed, is
                          enough for the physical community to accept
                          them. <br>
                          <br>
                          And you ask for an independent calculation of
                          S which I should present in your opinion. Now,
                          Is there anyone in physics or in astronomy who
                          can present an independent calculation of the
                          gravitational constant G?  No, nobody can
                          calculate G from basic assumptions. Why asking
                          for more in my case? I think that this demand
                          is not realistic and not common understanding
                          in physics.<br>
                          <br>
                          And again: where is circular reasoning?<br>
                          <br>
                          Best regards<br>
                          Albrecht<br>
                          <br>
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Am 20.11.2015 um 23:02
                            schrieb Richard Gauthier:<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Hello Albrecht,<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">    Thanks for your
                              detailed response.  I think the key
                              problem is in your determination of your
                              “field constant” S which you say describes
                              the "binding field" for your two
                              particles. This definition of S is too
                              general and empty of specific content as I
                              understand that it applies to any "binding
                              field” at any nuclear or atomic or
                              molecular level.   With your 2-particle
                              electron model you then calculate the
                              radius R=hbar/mc from the Bohr Magneton
                              e*hbar/2m,  assuming the values of m, e, h
                              and c. . Then you calculate S from the
                              Bohr magneton and find it to be S=c*hbar.
                              You then calculate m from the equation
                              m=S/(R*c^2).  How can a binding field S be
                              described by such a universal term hbar *
                              c ?  That’s why I think that your
                              derivation is circular.  You use the Bohr
                              magneton e*hbar/2m to calculate R and S,
                              (using the Bohr magneton) and then you use
                              R and S to calculate m.  You have no
                              independent calculation of S except from
                              the Bohr magneton. That’s the problem
                              resulting in circularity. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">    with best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">        Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <blockquote
                              style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 20, 2015, at
                                  1:09 PM, Albrecht Giese <<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a></a>>
                                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hallo
                                    Richard,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I find it great that we have made
                                    similar calculations and came at
                                    some points to similar conclusions.
                                    That is not a matter of course, as
                                    you find in all textbooks that it is
                                    impossible to get these results in a
                                    classical way, but that in the
                                    contrary it needs QM to come to
                                    these results. <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Here now again the logical way which
                                    I have gone: I assume the circular
                                    motion of the elementary electric
                                    charge (2* 1/2 * e<sub>0</sub>) with
                                    speed c. Then with the formula 
                                    (which you give here again) M = i*A
                                    one can conclude A from the measured
                                    magnetic moment. And so we know the
                                    radius to be R = 3.86 x 10<sup>-13</sup>
                                    m for the electron. No constants and
                                    no further theory are necessary for
                                    this result. I have then calculated
                                    the inertial mass of a particle
                                    which turns out to be m = S / (R * c<sup>2</sup>)
                                    where the parameter S describes the
                                    binding field. I did initially have
                                    no knowledge about the quantity of
                                    this field. But from the mass
                                    formula there follows for the
                                    magnetic moment: M= (1/2)*(S/c)*(e
                                    /m). To this point I have not used
                                    any knowledge except the known
                                    relation for the magnetic moment.
                                    Now I look to the Bohr magneton in
                                    order to find the quantity of my
                                    field constant S:    M=
                                    (1/2)*hbar*(e /m). Because the
                                    Planck constant has to be measured
                                    in some way. For doing it myself I
                                    would need a big machine. But why?
                                    Basic constants never follow from a
                                    theory but have to be measured. I
                                    can use such a measurement, and that
                                    tells me for my field constant S =
                                    c*hbar (from Bohr magneton). So,
                                    where do you see circular reasoning?
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Now I have no theory, why specific
                                    elementary particles exist. Maybe
                                    later I find a way, not now. But now
                                    I can use the (measurable) magnetic
                                    moment for any particle to determine
                                    the radius, and then I know the mass
                                    from my formula. This works for all
                                    charged leptons and for all quarks.
                                    Not good enough?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    And yes, the Landé factor. Not too
                                    difficult. In my deduction of the
                                    mass I have used only the (initially
                                    unknown) constant S for the field.
                                    Which I assume to be the strong
                                    field as with the electric field the
                                    result is too small (by a factor of
                                    several hundred). The only stronger
                                    alternative to the electrical force
                                    is the strong force, already known.
                                    Is this a far-fetched idea? But I
                                    have in this initial deduction
                                    ignored that the two basic particles
                                    have an electrical charge of e/2
                                    each, which cause a repelling force
                                    which increases the radius R a bit.
                                    With this increase I correct the
                                    result for e.g. the magnetic moment,
                                    and the correction is quite
                                    precisely the Landé factor (with a
                                    deviation of ca. 10<sup>-6</sup>).<br>
                                    <br>
                                    So, what did I invent specially for
                                    my model, and which parameters do I
                                    use from others? I have assumed the
                                    shape of the binding field as this
                                    field has to cause the bind at a
                                    distance. And I have used the
                                    measurement of the Planck constant h
                                    which other colleagues have
                                    performed. Nothing else. I do not
                                    have do derive the quantity e as
                                    this is not the task of a particle
                                    model. If e could be derived (what
                                    nobody today is able to do), then
                                    this would follow from a much deeper
                                    insight into our physical basics as
                                    anyone can have today. <br>
                                    <br>
                                    The fact of two constituents is a
                                    necessary precondition to obey the
                                    conservation of momentum and to
                                    support the mechanism of inertia. I
                                    do not know any other mechanism
                                    which works.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Where do I practice circular
                                    reasoning?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Best regards<br>
                                    Albrecht<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Am 18.11.2015
                                      um 15:42 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Hello
                                        Albrecht,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">   Let’s look
                                        at your listed assumptions of
                                        your electron model in relation
                                        to the electron’s magnetic
                                        moment. It is known that the
                                        magnitude of the electron’s
                                        experimental magnetic moment is
                                        slightly more than the Bohr
                                        magneton which is Mb = ehbar/2m
                                        = 9.274 J/T in SI units. Your
                                        2-particle model aims to
                                        generate a magnetic moment to
                                        match this Bohr magneton value
                                        (which was predicted for the
                                        electron by the Dirac equation)
                                        rather than the experimental
                                        value of the electron’s magnetic
                                        moment which is slightly larger.
                                        The standard equation for
                                        calculating the magnetic moment
                                        M of a plane current loop is  M
                                        = IA for loop area A and current
                                        I. If the area A is a circle and
                                        the current is a circular
                                        current loop I around this area,
                                        whose value I is calculated from
                                        a total electric charge e moving
                                        circularly at light speed c (as
                                        in your 2-particle electron
                                        model) with a radius R, a short
                                        calculation will show that if
                                        the radius of this circle is R =
                                        hbar/mc = 3.86 x 10-13 m (the
                                        reduced Compton wavelength
                                        corresponding to a circle of
                                        circumference one Compton
                                        wavelength h/mc), then this
                                        radius R for the current loop
                                        gives a magnetic moment M = IA =
                                        Bohr magneton ehbar/2m . I have
                                        done this calculation many times
                                        in my electron modeling work and
                                        know that this is the case. The
                                        values of h and also e and m of
                                        the electron have to be known
                                        accurately to calculate the Bohr
                                        magneton ehbar/2m .  When the
                                        radius of the circular loop is
                                        R=hbar/mc, the frequency f of
                                        the charge e circling the loop
                                        is easily found to be f=c/(2pi
                                        R)= mc^2/h , which is the
                                        frequency of light having the
                                        Compton wavelength h/mc. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">So the
                                        current loop radius R=hbar/mc
                                        that is required in your
                                        2-particle model to derive the
                                        Bohr magneton ehbar/2m using
                                        M=IA obviously cannot also be
                                        used to derive either of the
                                        values h or m since these values
                                        were used to calculate the Bohr
                                        magneton ehbar/2m in the first
                                        place. So your model cannot be
                                        used to derive any of the values
                                        of e, h or m, and seems to be an
                                        exercise in circular reasoning.
                                        Please let me know how I may be
                                        mistaken in this conclusion.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">with best
                                        regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">     Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Nov
                                            18, 2015, at 2:03 AM, Dr.
                                            Albrecht Giese <<a
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                                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi
                                                Al,<br>
                                              </span><span
                                                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#006600"><br>
                                                I completely disagree
                                                with your conclusions
                                                about the motivation
                                                towards my model because
                                                my intention was not to
                                                develop a particle
                                                model. My intention was
                                                to develop a better
                                                understanding of time in
                                                relativity. My present
                                                model was an unexpected
                                                consequence of this
                                                work.  I show you my
                                                arguments again and ask
                                                you to indicate the
                                                point where you do not
                                                follow.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Am 17.11.2015 um 19:18 schrieb
                                                  <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi
                                                        Albrect:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Comments²
                                                          <strong><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">IN BOLD</span></strong><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> 
                                                        <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> Dienstag,
                                                          17. November
                                                          2015 um 18:41
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <a
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href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          Reply of
                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi
                                                          Al,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          again some
                                                          responses.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
                                                            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Am
                                                          14.11.2015 um
                                                          18:24 schrieb
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi
                                                          Albrecht:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Answers
                                                          to your
                                                          questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">1)
                                                          The SED
                                                          background
                                                          explains the
                                                          Planck BB
                                                          distribution
                                                           without
                                                          quantization.
                                                          It explans why
                                                          an atom
                                                          doesn't
                                                          collapse: in
                                                          equilibrium
                                                          with
                                                          background, In
                                                          fact, just
                                                          about every
                                                          effect
                                                          described by
                                                          2nd
                                                          quantization
                                                          has an SED
                                                          parallel
                                                          explantion
                                                          without
                                                           additional
                                                          considerations.
                                                           With the
                                                          additional
                                                          input of the
                                                          SED origin of
                                                          deBroglie
                                                          waves, it
                                                          provides a
                                                          direct
                                                          derivation of
                                                          the
                                                          Schröedinger
                                                          eq. thereby
                                                          explainiong
                                                          all of 1st
                                                          Quantization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Maybe
                                                          you achieve
                                                          something when
                                                          using SED
                                                          background. I
                                                          do not really
                                                          understand
                                                          this
                                                          background,
                                                          but I do not
                                                          see a
                                                          stringent
                                                          necessity for
                                                          it. But SED as
                                                          an origin to
                                                          the de Broglie
                                                          waves is of
                                                          interest for
                                                          me. I am
                                                          presently
                                                          working on de
                                                          Broglie waves
                                                          to find a
                                                          solution,
                                                          which does not
                                                          have the
                                                          logical
                                                          conflicts
                                                          which we have
                                                          discussed
                                                          here.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">See
                                                          No. 11 (or 1)
                                                          @
                                                          <a
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href="http://www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com">www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com</a></a>
                                                            for
                                                          suggetions and
                                                          some previous
                                                          work along
                                                          this line.</span></strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#006600">Thank you, will have a look.</span></strong>
                                              <br>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">2)
                                                          Olber's logic
                                                          is in conflict
                                                          with Mach's
                                                          Principle, so
                                                          is obviously
                                                          just valid for
                                                          visible light.
                                                           Given a
                                                          little
                                                          intergalacitc
                                                          plasma (1
                                                          H/m³), not to
                                                          mention
                                                          atmossphere
                                                          and
                                                          interplanatary
                                                          plama, visible
                                                          light
                                                          disappears to
                                                          Earthbound
                                                          observers at
                                                          visitble freqs
                                                          to reappear at
                                                          other, perhaps
                                                          at 2.7° even,
                                                          or at any
                                                          other long or
                                                          hyper short
                                                          wave length.
                                                           'The universe
                                                          matters'---which
                                                          is even
                                                          politically
                                                          correct
                                                          nowadays!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Olber's
                                                          logic is
                                                          simple in so
                                                          far, as it
                                                          shows that the
                                                          universe
                                                          cannot be
                                                          infinite. I
                                                          have assumed
                                                          the same for
                                                          all background
                                                          effects. Or
                                                          are they
                                                          infinite?</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The
                                                          fly in the
                                                          ointment is
                                                          absorbtion.
                                                           An inf.
                                                          universe with
                                                          absorbtion in
                                                          the visible
                                                          part of the
                                                          spectrum will
                                                          still have a
                                                          largely dark
                                                          sky.  </span></strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#006600">And the other way around: Even if
                                                  there is no
                                                  absorption, the sky
                                                  will be dark. And the
                                                  general opinion is
                                                  that, even if there is
                                                  a lot of radiation
                                                  absorbed, this
                                                  absorbing material
                                                  will heat up by the
                                                  time and radiate as
                                                  well. So an absorption
                                                  should not change too
                                                  much.</span></strong><br>
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                                                          What is the
                                                          conflict with
                                                          Mach's
                                                          principle?</span><span
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style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Mach
                                                          says: the
                                                          gravitational
                                                          "background
                                                          radiation" is
                                                          the cause of
                                                          inertia. This
                                                          effect is
                                                          parallel to
                                                          the SED
                                                          bacground
                                                          causing QM
                                                          effects.
                                                          Conflict: if
                                                          Olber is
                                                          right, then
                                                          Mach is
                                                          probably wrong
                                                          (too weak).</span></strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#006600">In my understanding, what Mach
                                                  means is completely
                                                  different. Mach's
                                                  intention was to find
                                                  a reference system
                                                  which is absolute with
                                                  respect to
                                                  acceleration. He
                                                  assumed that this is
                                                  caused by the stars in
                                                  our vicinity. He did
                                                  not have a certain
                                                  idea how this happens,
                                                  he only needed the
                                                  fact. (Einstein
                                                  replaced this
                                                  necessity by his
                                                  equivalence of gravity
                                                  and acceleration -
                                                  which however is
                                                  clearly falsified as
                                                  mentioned several
                                                  times.)</span></strong>
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                                                          <p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">3)
                                                          The (wide
                                                          spread)
                                                          criticism of 2
                                                          particles is
                                                          that there is
                                                          neither an
                                                          <em><span
                                                          style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">a-priori</span></em>
                                                          intuative
                                                          reason, nor
                                                          empirical
                                                          evidence that
                                                          they exist.
                                                           Maybe they do
                                                          anyway.  But
                                                          then, maybe
                                                          Zeus does too,
                                                          and he is just
                                                          arranging
                                                          appearances so
                                                          that we amuse
                                                          ourselves.
                                                           (Try to prove
                                                          that wrong!) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I
                                                          have explained
                                                          how I came to
                                                          the conclusion
                                                          of 2
                                                          sub-particles.
                                                          Again:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          1) There is
                                                          motion with c
                                                          in an
                                                          elementary
                                                          particle to
                                                          explain
                                                          dilation<br>
                                                          2) With only
                                                          on particle
                                                          such process
                                                          is
                                                          mechanically
                                                          not possible,
                                                          and it
                                                          violates the
                                                          conservation
                                                          of momentum<br>
                                                          3) In this way
                                                          it is the only
                                                          working model
                                                          theses days to
                                                          explain
                                                          inertia. And
                                                          this model
                                                          explains
                                                          inertia with
                                                          high
                                                          precision.
                                                          What more is
                                                          needed?</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">These
                                                          assumtions are
                                                          "teleological,"
                                                           i.e., tuned
                                                          to give the
                                                          desired
                                                          results.  As
                                                          logic,
                                                          although often
                                                          done, this
                                                          manuver is not
                                                          legit in the
                                                          formal
                                                          presentation
                                                          of a theory.
                                                           For a physics
                                                          theory,
                                                          ideally, all
                                                          the input
                                                          assuptios have
                                                          empirical
                                                          justification
                                                          or motivation.
                                                           Your 2nd
                                                          partical
                                                          (modulo
                                                          virtual
                                                          images) has no
                                                          such
                                                          motivatin, in
                                                          fact, just the
                                                          opposite.
                                                          </span></strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#006600">My logical way is just the other
                                                  way around. I had the
                                                  plan to work on
                                                  relativity (the
                                                  aspects of time), not
                                                  on particle physics.
                                                  The particle model was
                                                  an unplanned spin-off.
                                                    I shall try to
                                                  explain the logical
                                                  path again: </span></strong><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#006600"><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <strong><u>1st step:</u>
                                                    I have calculated
                                                    the 4-dimensional
                                                    speed of an object
                                                    using the temporal
                                                    part of the Lorentz
                                                    transformation. The
                                                    surprising fact was
                                                    that this 4-dim.
                                                    speed is always the
                                                    speed of light. I
                                                    have then assumed
                                                    that this constant
                                                    shows a permanent
                                                    motion with c in a
                                                    particle. I have
                                                    accepted this as a
                                                    probable solution,
                                                    but I have never
                                                    assumed this, before
                                                    I had this result.
                                                    It was in no way a
                                                    desired result. My
                                                    idea was to describe
                                                    time by a vector of
                                                    3 of 4 dimensions. -
                                                    I have then no
                                                    further followed
                                                    this idea.</strong><br>
                                                  <strong><u>2nd step:</u>
                                                    If there is some
                                                    motion in the
                                                    particle, it cannot
                                                    be caused by one
                                                    constituent. This is
                                                    logically not
                                                    possible as it
                                                    violates the
                                                    conservation of
                                                    momentum. Also this
                                                    was not a desired
                                                    result but logically
                                                    inevitable.
                                                  </strong><br>
                                                  <strong><u>3rd step:</u>
                                                    If the constituents
                                                    move with c, then
                                                    they cannot have any
                                                    mass. Also this was
                                                    not a result which I
                                                    wished to achieve,
                                                    but here I followed
                                                    my understanding of
                                                    relativity.</strong><br>
                                                  <strong><u>4th step:</u>
                                                    The size must be
                                                    such that the
                                                    resulting frequency
                                                    in the view of c
                                                    yields the magnetic
                                                    moment which is
                                                    known by
                                                    measurements.
                                                  </strong><br>
                                                  <strong><u>5th step:</u>
                                                    I had to find a
                                                    reason for the mass
                                                    of the electron in
                                                    spite of the fact
                                                    that the
                                                    constituents do not
                                                    have any mass. After
                                                    some thinking I
                                                    found out the fact
                                                    that any extended
                                                    object has
                                                    necessarily inertia.
                                                    I have applied this
                                                    insight to this
                                                    particle model, and
                                                    the result was the
                                                    actual mass of the
                                                    electron, if I
                                                    assumed that the
                                                    force is the strong
                                                    force. It could not
                                                    be the electric
                                                    force (as it was
                                                    assumed by others at
                                                    earlier times)
                                                    because the result
                                                    is too weak.</strong><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <strong>None of the
                                                    results from step 1
                                                    thru step 5 was
                                                    desired. Every step
                                                    was inevitable,
                                                    because our standard
                                                    physical
                                                    understanding (which
                                                    I did not change at
                                                    any point) does not
                                                    allow for any
                                                    alternative. -
                                                    <u>Or at which step
                                                      could I have had
                                                      an alternative in
                                                      your opinion?</u></strong><u><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                  </u><strong>And btw:
                                                    which is the
                                                    stringent argument
                                                    for only one
                                                    constituent? As I
                                                    mentioned before,
                                                    the experiment is
                                                    not an argument. I
                                                    have discussed my
                                                    model with the
                                                    former research
                                                    director of DESY who
                                                    was responsible for
                                                    this type of
                                                    electron
                                                    experiments, and he
                                                    admitted that there
                                                    is no conflict with
                                                    the assumption of 2
                                                    constituents.</strong></span></b><b><u><span
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                                                          I know from
                                                          several
                                                          discussions
                                                          with particle
                                                          physicists
                                                          that there is
                                                          a lot of
                                                          resistance
                                                          against this
                                                          assumption of
                                                          2
                                                          constituents.
                                                          The reason is
                                                          that everyone
                                                          learn at
                                                          university
                                                          like with
                                                          mother's milk
                                                          that the
                                                          electron is
                                                          point-like,
                                                          extremely
                                                          small and does
                                                          not have any
                                                          internal
                                                          structure.
                                                          This has the
                                                          effect like a
                                                          religion.
                                                          (Same with the
                                                          relativity of
                                                          Hendrik
                                                          Lorentz.
                                                          Everyone
                                                          learns with
                                                          the same
                                                          fundamental
                                                          attitude that
                                                          Lorentz was
                                                          nothing better
                                                          than a senile
                                                          old man how
                                                          was not able
                                                          to understand
                                                          modern
                                                          physics.)  - 
                                                          Not a really
                                                          good way, all
                                                          this.</span><span
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Mystical
                                                          thinking is
                                                          indeed a major
                                                          problem even
                                                          in Physics!
                                                           But,  some of
                                                          the objectiors
                                                          to a 2nd
                                                          particle are
                                                          not basing
                                                          their
                                                          objection of
                                                          devine
                                                          revelation or
                                                          political
                                                          correctness.  </span></strong><span
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">4)
                                                          It is
                                                          ascientific to
                                                          consider that
                                                          the desired
                                                          result is
                                                          justification
                                                          for a
                                                          hypothetical
                                                          input.  OK,
                                                          one can say
                                                          about such
                                                          reasoning, it
                                                          is validated
                                                          <em><span
                                                          style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">a
                                                          posteriori</span></em>,
                                                          that at least
                                                          makes it sound
                                                          substantial.
                                                           So much has
                                                          been granted
                                                          to your
                                                          "story" but
                                                          has not
                                                          granted your
                                                          story status
                                                          as a "physics
                                                          theory."  It
                                                          has some
                                                          appeal, which
                                                          in my mind
                                                          would be
                                                          enhansed had a
                                                          rationalization
                                                          for the 2nd
                                                          particle been
                                                          provided.
                                                           That's all
                                                          I'm trying to
                                                          do.  When you
                                                          or whoever
                                                          comes up with
                                                          a better one,
                                                          I'll drop
                                                          pushing the
                                                          virtual
                                                          particle
                                                          engendered by
                                                          the
                                                          background.
                                                          Maybe, it
                                                          fixes too many
                                                          other things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">My
                                                          history was
                                                          following
                                                          another way
                                                          and another
                                                          motivation. I
                                                          intended to
                                                          explain
                                                          relativity on
                                                          the basis of
                                                          physical
                                                          facts. This
                                                          was my only
                                                          intention for
                                                          this model.
                                                          All further
                                                          properties of
                                                          the model were
                                                          logical
                                                          consequences
                                                          where I did
                                                          not see
                                                          alternatives.
                                                          I did not want
                                                          to explain
                                                          inertia. It
                                                          just was a
                                                          result by
                                                          itself.<br>
                                                          So, what is
                                                          the problem? I
                                                          have a model
                                                          which explains
                                                          several
                                                          properties of
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles very
                                                          precisely. It
                                                          is in no
                                                          conflict with
                                                          any
                                                          experimental
                                                          experience.
                                                          And as a new
                                                          observation
                                                          there is even
                                                          some
                                                          experimental
                                                          evidence. -
                                                          What else can
                                                          physics expect
                                                          from a theory?
                                                          - The argument
                                                          that the
                                                          second
                                                          particle is
                                                          not visible is
                                                          funny. Who has
                                                          ever seen a
                                                          quark? Who has
                                                          ever seen the
                                                          internal
                                                          structure of
                                                          the sun? I
                                                          think you have
                                                          a demand here
                                                          which was
                                                          never
                                                          fulfilled in
                                                          science.</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The
                                                          problem,
                                                          obviously, is
                                                          that the
                                                          existence of
                                                          the 2nd
                                                          particle, as
                                                          you have
                                                          presented it,
                                                          is not a fact,
                                                          but a
                                                          Wunschansatz.
                                                           [BTW:  "See"
                                                          in this
                                                          context is not
                                                          meant
                                                          occularly, but
                                                          figuratively
                                                          for
                                                          experimental
                                                          verification
                                                          through any
                                                          length of
                                                          inferance
                                                          chain.]  So,
                                                          my question
                                                          is: what
                                                          problem do you
                                                          have with a
                                                          virtual mate
                                                          for the
                                                          particle?  In
                                                          fact, it will
                                                          be there
                                                          whether you
                                                          use it or not.</span></strong><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          And see again
                                                          Frank Wilczek.
                                                          <span
                                                          class="current-selection">He
                                                          writes: "By
                                                          combining
                                                          fragmentation
                                                          with super</span>-<span
class="current-selection">conductivity, we can get half-electrons that
                                                          are their own
antiparticles."
                                                          </span></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">A
                                                          "straw in the
                                                          wind" but sure
                                                          seems far
                                                          fetched!
                                                           Superconductivity
                                                          is already a
                                                          manybody
                                                          phenomenon,
                                                           It's theory
                                                          probably
                                                          involves some
                                                          "virtual"
                                                          notions to
                                                          capture the
                                                          essence of the
                                                          average effect
                                                          even if the
                                                          virtual actors
                                                          do not really
                                                          exist.
                                                          </span></strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#006600">This was a nice confirmation in
                                                  my understanding. So
                                                  as the whole article
                                                  of Wilczek. The
                                                  electron is in fact
                                                  enigmatic if one
                                                  follows main stream.
                                                  It looses a lot of
                                                  this property if my
                                                  model is used. - But
                                                  even without this
                                                  experimental hint I do
                                                  not see any
                                                  alternative to my
                                                  model without severely
                                                  violating known
                                                  physics.</span></strong><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#006600"><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <strong>Ciao</strong><br>
                                                  <strong>Albrecht</strong></span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Guten
                                                          Abend<br>
                                                          Albrecht</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><strong><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Gleichfalls,
                                                           Al</span></strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
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                                                          <p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Have
                                                          a good one!  
                                                          Al<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> 
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                                                          <p
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style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> Samstag,
                                                          14. November
                                                          2015 um 14:51
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          Reply of
                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi
                                                          Al,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Why do we need
                                                          a background?
                                                          If I assume
                                                          only local
                                                          forces (strong
                                                          and electric)
                                                          for my model,
                                                          the
                                                          calculation
                                                          conforms to
                                                          the
                                                          measurement
                                                          (e.g. between
                                                          mass and
                                                          magnetic
                                                          moment) with a
                                                          precision of 2
                                                          : 1'000'000.
                                                          This is no
                                                          incident. Not
                                                          possible, if a
                                                          poorly defined
                                                          and stable
                                                          background has
                                                          a measurable
                                                          influence. -
                                                          And if there
                                                          should be such
                                                          background and
                                                          it has such
                                                          little effect,
                                                          which mistake
                                                          do we make if
                                                          we ignore
                                                          that?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          For the
                                                          competition of
                                                          the 1/r<sup>2</sup>
                                                          law for range
                                                          of charges and
                                                          the r<sup>2</sup>
                                                          law for the
                                                          quantity of
                                                          charges we
                                                          have a popular
                                                          example when
                                                          we look at the
                                                          sky at night.
                                                          The sky is
                                                          dark and that
                                                          shows that the
                                                          r<sup>2</sup>
                                                          case (number
                                                          of shining
                                                          stars) does in
                                                          no way
                                                          compensates
                                                          for the 1/r<sup>2</sup>
                                                          case (light
                                                          flow density
                                                          from the
                                                          stars).<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Why is a 2
                                                          particle model
                                                          necessary?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          1.) for the
                                                          conservation
                                                          of momentum<br>
                                                          2.) for a
                                                          cause of the
                                                          inertial mass<br>
                                                          3.) for the
                                                          radiation at
                                                          acceleration
                                                          which occurs
                                                          most time, but
                                                          does not occur
                                                          in specific
                                                          situations.
                                                          Not explained
                                                          elsewhere.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Ciao, Albrecht<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Am
                                                          13.11.2015 um
                                                          20:31 schrieb
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi
                                                          Albrecht:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Your
                                                          proposed
                                                          experiment is
                                                          hampered by
                                                          reality!  If
                                                          you do the
                                                          measurement
                                                          with a gaget
                                                          bought in a
                                                          store that has
                                                          knobes and a
                                                          display, then
                                                          the
                                                          measurement is
                                                          for certain
                                                          for signals
                                                          under a couple
                                                          hundred GHz
                                                          and based on
                                                          some phenomena
                                                          for which the
                                                          sensitivity of
                                                          man-made
                                                          devices is
                                                          limited.  And,
                                                          if limited to
                                                          the electric
                                                          field, then
                                                          there is a
                                                          good chance it
                                                          is missing
                                                          altogether
                                                          oscillating
                                                          signals by
                                                          virtue of its
                                                          limited
                                                          reaction time
                                                          of reset time,
                                                          etc. etc.  The
                                                          vast majority
                                                          of the
                                                          background
                                                          will be much
                                                          higher, the
                                                          phenomena most
                                                          attuned to
                                                          detecting
                                                          might be in
                                                          fact the
                                                          quantum
                                                          effects
                                                          otherwise
                                                          explained with
                                                          mystical
                                                          hokus-pokus!
                                                           Also to be
                                                          noted is that,
                                                          the processes
                                                          invovled in
                                                          your model, if
                                                          they pertain
                                                          to elementray
                                                          entities, will
                                                          have to be at
                                                          very small
                                                          size and if at
                                                          the velocity
                                                          (c) will be
                                                          very high
                                                          energy, etc.
                                                          so that once
                                                          again, it is
                                                          quite
                                                          reasonable to
                                                          suppose that
                                                          the universe
                                                          is anything
                                                          but
                                                          irrelavant! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Of
                                                          course, there
                                                          is then the
                                                          issue of the
                                                          divergence of
                                                          the this SED
                                                          background.
                                                           Ameliorated
                                                          to some extent
                                                          with the
                                                          realization
                                                          that there is
                                                          no energy at a
                                                          point in empty
                                                          space until a
                                                          charged entity
                                                          is put there,
                                                          whereupon the
                                                          energy of
                                                          interaction
                                                          with the rest
                                                          of the
                                                          universe (not
                                                          just by itself
                                                          being there
                                                          and ignoring
                                                          the
                                                          universe---as
                                                          QM theorists,
                                                          and yourself,
                                                          are wont to
                                                          do) is given
                                                          by the sum of
                                                          interactions
                                                          over all
                                                          particles not
                                                          by the
                                                          integral over
                                                          all space,
                                                          including
                                                          empty space.
                                                           Looks at
                                                          first blush to
                                                          be finite. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Why
                                                          fight it?
                                                           Where the
                                                          hell else will
                                                          you find a
                                                          credible 2nd
                                                          particle?  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">ciao,
                                                           Al<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> 
                                                          <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> Freitag,
                                                          13. November
                                                          2015 um 12:11
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Cc:</b> <a
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                                                          href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          Reply of
                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi
                                                          Al,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          if we look to
                                                          charges you
                                                          mention the
                                                          law 1/r<sup>2</sup>.
                                                          Now we can
                                                          perform a
                                                          simple
                                                          physical
                                                          experiment
                                                          having an
                                                          electrically
                                                          charged object
                                                          and using it
                                                          to measure the
                                                          electric field
                                                          around us. I
                                                          say: it is
                                                          very weak. Now
                                                          look to the
                                                          distance of
                                                          the two
                                                          half-charges
                                                          within the
                                                          particle
                                                          having a
                                                          distance of
                                                          4*10<sup>-13</sup>
                                                          m. This means
                                                          an increase of
                                                          force of about
                                                          25 orders of
                                                          magnitude
                                                          compared to
                                                          what we do in
                                                          a lab. And the
                                                          difference is
                                                          much greater
                                                          if we refer to
                                                          charges acting
                                                          from the
                                                          universe. So I
                                                          think we do
                                                          not make a big
                                                          mistake
                                                          assuming that
                                                          there is
                                                          nothing
                                                          outside the
                                                          particle.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regarding my
                                                          model, the
                                                          logic of
                                                          deduction was
                                                          very simple
                                                          for me:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          1.) We have
                                                          dilation, so
                                                          there must be
                                                          a permanent
                                                          motion with c<br>
                                                          2.) There must
                                                          be 2
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          otherwise the
                                                          momentum law
                                                          is violated; 3
                                                          are not
                                                          possible as in
                                                          conflict with
                                                          experiments.<br>
                                                          3.) The
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          must be
                                                          mass-less,
                                                          otherwise c is
                                                          not possible<br>
                                                          4.) The whole
                                                          particle has
                                                          mass even
                                                          though the
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          are mass-less.
                                                          So there must
                                                          be a mechanism
                                                          to cause
                                                          inertia. It
                                                          was
                                                          immediately
                                                          clear for me
                                                          that inertia
                                                          is a
                                                          consequence of
                                                          extension.
                                                          Another reason
                                                          to assume a
                                                          particle which
                                                          is composed of
                                                          parts. (There
                                                          is no other
                                                          working
                                                          mechanism of
                                                          inertia known
                                                          until today.)<br>
                                                          5.) I had to
                                                          find the
                                                          binding field
                                                          for the
                                                          sub-particles.
                                                          I have taken
                                                          the simplest
                                                          one which I
                                                          could find
                                                          which has a
                                                          potential
                                                          minimum at
                                                          some distance.
                                                          And my first
                                                          attempt
                                                          worked.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          That is all,
                                                          and I do not
                                                          see any
                                                          possibility to
                                                          change one of
                                                          the points 1.)
                                                          thru 5.)
                                                          without
                                                          getting in
                                                          conflict with
                                                          fundamental
                                                          physical
                                                          rules. And I
                                                          do not invent
                                                          new facts or
                                                          rules beyond
                                                          those already
                                                          known in
                                                          physics.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So, where do
                                                          you see any
                                                          kind of
                                                          arbitrariness
                                                          or missing
                                                          justification?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Tschüß!<br>
                                                          Albrecht<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Am
                                                          12.11.2015 um
                                                          17:51 schrieb
                                                          <a
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href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi
                                                          Albrect:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">We
                                                          are making
                                                          some progress.
                                                           <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">To
                                                          your remark
                                                          that Swinger
                                                          & Feynman
                                                          introduced
                                                          virtual
                                                          charges, I
                                                          note that they
                                                          used the same
                                                          term: "virtual
                                                          charge/particle,"
                                                          in spite of
                                                          the much older
                                                          meaning in
                                                          accord with
                                                          the charge and
                                                          mirror
                                                          example.  In
                                                          the finest of
                                                          quantum
                                                          traditions,
                                                          they too
                                                          ignored the
                                                          rest of the
                                                          universe and
                                                          instead tried
                                                          to vest its
                                                          effect in the
                                                          "vacuum."
                                                           This idea was
                                                          suitably
                                                          mystical to
                                                          allow them to
                                                          introduce the
                                                          associated
                                                          plaver into
                                                          the folk lore
                                                          of QM, given
                                                          the sociology
                                                          of the day.
                                                           Even in spite
                                                          of this BS,
                                                          the idea still
                                                          has merit.
                                                          Your objection
                                                          on the basis
                                                          of the 1/r²
                                                          fall-off is
                                                          true but not
                                                          conclusive.
                                                           This fall-off
                                                          is matched by
                                                          a r² increase
                                                          in muber of
                                                          charges, so
                                                          the integrated
                                                          total
                                                          interaction
                                                          can be
                                                          expected to
                                                          have at least
                                                          some effect,
                                                          no matter
                                                          what.  Think
                                                          of the
                                                          universe to
                                                          1st order as a
                                                          neutral,
                                                          low-density
                                                          plasma. I (and
                                                          some others)
                                                          hold that this
                                                          interaction is
                                                          responcible
                                                          for all
                                                          quantum
                                                          effects.  In
                                                          any case, no
                                                          particle is a
                                                          universe unto
                                                          itself, the
                                                          rest have the
                                                          poulation and
                                                          time to take a
                                                          toll!  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">BTW,
                                                          this is
                                                          history
                                                          repeating
                                                          itself.  Once
                                                          upon a time
                                                          there was
                                                          theory of
                                                          Brownian
                                                          motion that
                                                          posited an
                                                          internal cause
                                                          known as "elan
                                                          vital" to dust
                                                          specks
                                                          observed
                                                          hopping about
                                                          like Mexican
                                                          jumping beans.
                                                           Ultimately
                                                          this nonsense
                                                          was displaced
                                                          by the
                                                          observation
                                                          that the dust
                                                          spots were not
                                                          alone in their
                                                          immediate
                                                          universe but
                                                          imbededded in
                                                          a slurry of
                                                          other
                                                          particles,
                                                          also in
                                                          motion, to
                                                          which they
                                                          were reacting.
                                                           Nowadays
                                                          atoms are
                                                          analysed in QM
                                                          text books as
                                                          if they were
                                                          the only
                                                          object in the
                                                          universe---all
                                                          others being
                                                          too far away
                                                          (so it is
                                                          argued,
                                                          anyway).  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Your
                                                          model, as it
                                                          stands, can be
                                                          free of
                                                          contradiction
                                                          and still
                                                          unstatisfying
                                                          because the
                                                          inputs seem to
                                                          be just what
                                                          is needed to
                                                          make the
                                                          conclusions
                                                          you aim to
                                                          make.  Fine,
                                                          but what most
                                                          critics will
                                                          expect is that
                                                          these inputs
                                                          have to have
                                                          some kind of
                                                          justification
                                                          or motivation.
                                                           This is what
                                                          the second
                                                          particle
                                                          lacks.  Where
                                                          is it when one
                                                          really looks
                                                          for it?  It
                                                          has no
                                                          empirical
                                                          motivation.  
                                                          Thus, this
                                                          theory then
                                                          has about the
                                                          same ultimate
                                                          structure, and
                                                          pursuasiveness,
                                                          as saying:
                                                          'don't worry
                                                          about it, God
                                                          did it; go
                                                          home, open a
                                                          beer, pop your
                                                          feet up, and
                                                          forget about
                                                          it---a theory
                                                          which explains
                                                          absolutely
                                                          everything!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Tschuß,
                                                           Al<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
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style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Gesendet:</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> Donnerstag,
                                                          12. November
                                                          2015 um 16:18
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <a
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href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
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                                                          <b>Cc:</b> <a
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                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          Reply of
                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi
                                                          Al,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have gotten
                                                          a different
                                                          understanding
                                                          of what a
                                                          virtual
                                                          particle or a
                                                          virtual charge
                                                          is. This
                                                          phenomenon was
                                                          invented by
                                                          Julian
                                                          Schwinger and
                                                          Richard
                                                          Feynman. They
                                                          thought to
                                                          need it in
                                                          order to
                                                          explain
                                                          certain
                                                          reactions in
                                                          particle
                                                          physics. In
                                                          the case of
                                                          Schwinger it
                                                          was the Landé
                                                          factor, where
                                                          I have shown
                                                          that this
                                                          assumption is
                                                          not necessary.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          If there is a
                                                          charge then of
                                                          course this
                                                          charge is
                                                          subject to
                                                          interactions
                                                          with all other
                                                          charges in the
                                                          universe. That
                                                          is correct.
                                                          But because of
                                                          the normal
                                                          distribution
                                                          of these other
                                                          charges in the
                                                          universe,
                                                          which cause a
                                                          good
                                                          compensation
                                                          of the
                                                          effects, and
                                                          because of the
                                                          distance law
                                                          we can think
                                                          about models
                                                          without
                                                          reference to
                                                          those. And
                                                          also there is
                                                          the problem
                                                          with virtual
                                                          particles and
                                                          vacuum
                                                          polarization
                                                          (which is
                                                          equivalent),
                                                          in that we
                                                          have this huge
                                                          problem that
                                                          the integrated
                                                          energy of it
                                                          over the
                                                          universe is by
                                                          a factor of
                                                          10^120 higher
                                                          than the
                                                          energy
                                                          measured. I
                                                          think this is
                                                          a really big
                                                          argument
                                                          against
                                                          virtual
                                                          effects.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Your example
                                                          of the virtual
                                                          image of a
                                                          charge in a
                                                          conducting
                                                          surface is a
                                                          different
                                                          case. It is,
                                                          as you write,
                                                          the
                                                          rearrangement
                                                          of charges in
                                                          the conducting
                                                          surface. So
                                                          the partner of
                                                          the charge is
                                                          physically the
                                                          mirror, not
                                                          the picture
                                                          behind it. But
                                                          which mirror
                                                          can cause the
                                                          second
                                                          particle in a
                                                          model if the
                                                          second
                                                          particle is
                                                          not assumed to
                                                          be real?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          And what in
                                                          general is the
                                                          problem with a
                                                          two particle
                                                          model? It
                                                          fulfils the
                                                          momentum law.
                                                          And it does
                                                          not cause
                                                          further
                                                          conflicts. It
                                                          also explains
                                                          why an
                                                          accelerated
                                                          electron
                                                          sometimes
                                                          radiates,
                                                          sometimes not.
                                                          For an
                                                          experimental
                                                          evidence I
                                                          refer again to
                                                          the article of
                                                          Frank Wilczek
                                                          in "Nature"
                                                          which was
                                                          mentioned here
                                                          earlier:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a
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href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</a></a>:
                                                          </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
                                                            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span class="current-selection"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">He
                                                          writes: "By
                                                          combining
                                                          fragmentation
                                                          with super</span></span><span
                                                          class="ls0"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">-</span></span><span
class="current-selection"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">conductivity,

                                                          we can get
                                                          half-electrons
                                                          that are their
                                                          own
                                                          antiparticles."
                                                          </span></span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
                                                           </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">For
                                                          Wilczek this
                                                          is a
                                                          mysterious
                                                          result, in
                                                          view of my
                                                          model it is
                                                          not, on the
                                                          contrary it is
                                                          kind of a
                                                          proof.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Grüße<br>
                                                          Albrecht</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Am
                                                          12.11.2015 um
                                                          03:06 schrieb
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi
                                                          Albrecht:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Virtual
                                                          particles are
                                                          proxys for an
                                                          ensemble of
                                                          real
                                                          particles.
                                                           There is
                                                          nothing
                                                          folly-lolly
                                                          about them!
                                                           They simply
                                                          summarize the
                                                          total effect
                                                          of particles
                                                          that cannot be
                                                          ignored.  To
                                                          ignore the
                                                          remainder of
                                                          the universe
                                                          becasue it is
                                                          inconvenient
                                                          for theory
                                                          formulation is
                                                          for certain
                                                          leading to
                                                          error.  "No
                                                          man is an
                                                          island,"  and
                                                          no single
                                                          particle is a
                                                          universe!
                                                           Thus, it can
                                                          be argued
                                                          that, to
                                                          reject the
                                                          concept of
                                                          virtual
                                                          particles is
                                                          to reject a
                                                          facit of
                                                          reality that
                                                          must be
                                                          essential for
                                                          an explantion
                                                          of the
                                                          material
                                                          world.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">For
                                                          example, if a
                                                          positive
                                                          charge is
                                                          placed near a
                                                          conducting
                                                          surface, the
                                                          charges in
                                                          that surface
                                                          will respond
                                                          to the
                                                          positive
                                                          charge by
                                                          rearranging
                                                          themselves so
                                                          as to give a
                                                          total field on
                                                          the surface of
                                                          zero strength
                                                          as if there
                                                          were a
                                                          negative
                                                          charge
                                                          (virtual)
                                                          behind the
                                                          mirror.
                                                           Without the
                                                          real charges
                                                          on the mirror
                                                          surface, the
                                                          concept of
                                                          "virtual"
                                                          negative
                                                          charge would
                                                          not be
                                                          necessary or
                                                          even useful.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The
                                                          concept of
                                                          virtual charge
                                                          as the second
                                                          particle in
                                                          your model
                                                          seems to me to
                                                          be not just a
                                                          wild
                                                          supposition,
                                                          but an
                                                          absolute
                                                          necessity.
                                                           Every charge
                                                          is, without
                                                          choice, in
                                                          constant
                                                          interaction
                                                          with every
                                                          other charge
                                                          in the
                                                          universe, has
                                                          been so since
                                                          the big bang
                                                          (if such were)
                                                          and will
                                                          remain so till
                                                          the big crunch
                                                          (if such is to
                                                          be)!  The
                                                          universe
                                                          cannot be
                                                          ignored. If
                                                          you reject
                                                          including the
                                                          universe by
                                                          means of
                                                          virtual
                                                          charges, them
                                                          you have a lot
                                                          more work to
                                                          do to make
                                                          your theory
                                                          reasonable
                                                          some how else.
                                                           In particular
                                                          in view of the
                                                          fact that the
                                                          second
                                                          particles in
                                                          your model
                                                          have never
                                                          ever been seen
                                                          or even
                                                          suspected in
                                                          the various
                                                          experiments
                                                          resulting in
                                                          the
                                                          disasssmbly of
                                                          whatever
                                                          targert was
                                                          used.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">MfG,
                                                           Al<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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