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    <small><small><big>Hi Al,<br>
          <br>
          there is in fact a difference between my second sub-particle
          and a virtual particle. As you write, a virtual particle can
          never be seen as it does not exist as such. My particle does
          exist as such in a better way than a quark, as I have
          explained earlier. And it could be experimentally presented if
          we find an appropriate experiment. I did not find it yet. But
          as mentioned here several times, Frank Wilczek has roughly
          described an electron experiment where it was seen (as
          half-electron). Now there was the argument stated here that
          Frank Wilczek is a bit peculiar. This might be a good physical
          argument, but in my understanding there are better arguments.
          <br>
          <br>
          You have mentioned this interesting case of dipoles caused by
          electrical influence. This is also the case, as I have
          mentioned here ealier, for the van der Waals force. Similarly
          in my model the attraction of both sub-particles is done in
          the same way as in the case of the van der Waals forces. So,
          there is nothing fundamentally new in this model.<big><br>
          </big><br>
          The same process as a reaction in a plasma is much more
          complicated. Do not forget that we have something like 10^86
          elementary particles in the universe. Every of these has at
          least one charge. How can we handle a system built by the
          superposition or by the mirroring of 10^86 charges? Maybe it
          is easier and more practical to think about the reaction of
          just 1 or 2 particles.<br>
          <br>
          Chiao, Albrecht</big><br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><small><small>Am 27.11.2015 um 03:34
          schrieb <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:</small></small><br>
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cite="mid:trinity-d47441b5-1ce1-40a3-b559-33d58661d4b7-1448591649406@3capp-webde-bap38"
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          <div>Hi Albrect:</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>The basic problem your model addresses is based on the
            fact that the current party-line models are defective.
             Thus, you cannot argue that insofar as the 'party' gets
            away with defiective arguments, that you too are entitled to
            do so.  Of course, there is no moral or other reason behind
            this, just "best practice" type ideas.</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>The virtue of a virtual particle idea is that virtual
            particles are, like your 2nd particle, never "seen" (in any
            meaning of the word) becasue they as such do not exist.
             They are hypothetical proxies for all the other particles
            surrounding the one of interest, i.e., the universe.
             Virtual particle storys start with the hypothetical
            premise: consider the universe to be a neutral plasma.  Now
            in your mind's eye place a charge of interest inside it,
            then consider how all the other charges react.  What they do
            is rearange themselves so as to nutralize to the newcomer.
             To first order this total effect is the same as if a
            particle of oppsite gender were placed on top of the
            newcomer.  The story gets interesting when delay is taken
            into account.  If the origianl particle moves, the other
            particles in the universe get the message that it has done
            so only after a delay, thus the virtual effect of
            reafrranging no longer sits on top of the particle
            engendering it, but tails it.  The two form a virtual dipole
            chasing each other, as it were.  Since the vitual particle
            is a nutralizer, its properties are the compliments of the
            original particle.    </div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>This is just a "story" of course.  As are all theories in
            the end.  It's virtue is consistency with what (little) is
            empirically known, not preternatural certainty.</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>ciao,  Al</div>
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              <div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag,
                26. November 2015 um 16:59 Uhr<br>
                <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a><br>
                <b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments from
                what a model…</div>
              <div name="quoted-content">
                <div style="background-color: rgb(255,255,255);">Hi Al,<br>
                  <br>
                  what empirical evidence you are looking for?<br>
                  <br>
                  We never see elementary particles by our eyes. But
                  even worse: Both stable quarks, the Up- and the
                  Down-quark, have not only failed to be seen, it was
                  never possible to isolate them. The only argument in
                  favour of them is the fact that some mathematical
                  evaluations of particle reactions are easier with the
                  assumption of these quarks. And the quarks are given
                  properties like a mass and an electrical charge (i.e.
                  1/3 electron charge) which was never based on
                  measurements. The only argument also in this case is
                  the easier mathematics if this model is used. But they
                  are these days the central particles for the
                  understanding of hadrons. Nobody questions this. - In
                  comparison to this situation my second sub-particle in
                  the electron has in my view much more evidence beyond
                  mathematical advantages.<br>
                  <br>
                  And another example, from astronomy: Planets outside
                  our solar system are not visible in the normal cases.
                  But astronomers observe that some stars, which are
                  assumed to be central stars, show small periodical
                  motions. From these it is concluded that there are
                  planets, and also properties of these planets are
                  derived from this visible motion.<br>
                  <br>
                  Why not assume that the second particle in the
                  electron is a virtual one? Ok, but then one has to
                  explain how this virtual particle is caused. Something
                  like a mirror in the electron? Or a different
                  mechanism? And what is about the electrical charge?
                  Does the real particle carry the full charge or is the
                  charge distributed between the real and the virtual
                  constituent? In the former case there would be a
                  problem to deduce the Landé factor in a classical way
                  which is possible by my model.<br>
                  <br>
                  Anyway, if you have such a model with a virtual one in
                  mind and you can tell all necessary arguments for its
                  existence, and the quantitative evaluation has correct
                  results, AND this model is simpler that the model with
                  2 sub-particles, that would be a great outcome. So,
                  please give details ....<br>
                  <br>
                  Chiao<br>
                  Albrecht<br>
                   <br>
                   
                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.11.2015 um 18:40
                    schrieb <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      href="af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:</div>
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                        <div>Hi Albrecht:</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>Your responce has little relaiton to my
                          previous comments.  </div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>I qubble not with your results, nor even
                          the inputs: except to point out that one of
                          them is unjustified or unmotivated by any
                          emperical evidence---AS YOU TELL THE STORY!  </div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>What I'm failing to get you to consider, is
                          that the 2nd particle is a virtual image of
                          the 1st in a delayed position.  WHY NOT?  
                          [Don't tell me there's no empirical evidence!]</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>ciao, Al</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div> </div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag,
                              24. November 2015 um 18:18 Uhr<br>
                              <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                href="genmail@a-giese.de"
                                target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                              <b>An:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
                                target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br>
                              <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                href="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                target="_parent">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                              <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] Reply of
                              comments from what a model…</div>
                            <div>
                              <div style="background-color:
                                rgb(255,255,255);">Hi Al,<br>
                                <br>
                                I have nothing better to answer than to
                                point again to the fact that this set up
                                of two particles not only explains the
                                fact of inertia, but also yields very
                                precise results. I have not heard yet
                                about another theory which is even able
                                to provide the first point.<br>
                                <br>
                                And there is no experiment (no one has
                                given an argument into that direction)
                                which is in conflict with this
                                assumption.<br>
                                <br>
                                What else can one expect from a theory?
                                Right, if another theory, which is
                                simpler by being based on a smaller
                                number of assumptions, yields the same
                                result. So, which one??<br>
                                <br>
                                Best regards<br>
                                Albrecht<br>
                                <br>
                                 
                                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                  18.11.2015 um 20:04 schrieb <a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:</div>
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                                      <div>Hi Albrecht:</div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div>I have and had nothing to say
                                        about your motivation <em>per
                                          se</em>.  I tried to say that,
                                        I see no physical-empirical
                                        justification for the 2nd
                                        particle.  The issue is not that
                                        I do not, or can not, follow
                                        your arguments, but that I find
                                        them incomplete (as just
                                        mentioned).  I note that others
                                        have made the same objection.
                                         Obendarauf, I have made my own
                                        suggestion for a motivation for
                                        the 2nd particle, namely a
                                        virtual image.  If you don't
                                        like this idea, fine!  It would
                                        be easier to swallow, however,
                                        if you gave a sensible reason,
                                        but that is secondary.</div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div>BTW, <em>a postiriori  </em>success
                                        could justify a search for
                                        empirical support for the 2nd
                                        particle, but not a complete
                                        theory---until empirical
                                        evidence is found.  There are
                                        literally hundreds of candiate
                                        theories for everything, Few are
                                        taken at all seriously because
                                        they are jumbeled up in their
                                        fundamentals:  primative element
                                        selction, and whatnot.  That
                                        fact that, histrical celeberties
                                        got away with it, is part luck
                                        and a lot of sociological
                                        guerilla warfare---techniques
                                        not availble to us in the
                                        trenches.</div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div>Another result of formal
                                        logic is that, within an
                                        inconsistent logical sturture
                                        (theory) all theorems, right or
                                        wrong, can be proven.  Thus, too
                                        much success is suspicious!</div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div>Best regards,  Al</div>
                                      <div> 
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                                            0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch,
                                            18. November 2015 um 11:03
                                            Uhr<br>
                                            <b>Von:</b> "Dr. Albrecht
                                            Giese" <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                              href="genmail@a-giese.de"
                                              target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                                            <b>An:</b> <a
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                                              class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><br>
                                            <b>Cc:</b> <a
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                                              class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a><br>
                                            <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                            [General] Reply of comments
                                            from what a model…</div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div
                                              style="background-color:
                                              rgb(255,255,255);"><small>Hi
                                                Al,<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <font color="#006600">I
                                                  completely disagree
                                                  with your conclusions
                                                  about the motivation
                                                  towards my model
                                                  because my intention
                                                  was not to develop a
                                                  particle model. My
                                                  intention was to
                                                  develop a better
                                                  understanding of time
                                                  in relativity. My
                                                  present model was an
                                                  unexpected consequence
                                                  of this work.  I show
                                                  you my arguments again
                                                  and ask you to
                                                  indicate the point
                                                  where you do not
                                                  follow.</font></small><br>
                                               
                                              <div
                                                class="moz-cite-prefix"><small>Am
                                                  17.11.2015 um 19:18
                                                  schrieb <a
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                                                    target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:</small></div>
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                                                    <div>Hi Albrect:</div>
                                                    <div> </div>
                                                    <div>Comments²   <strong>IN
                                                        BOLD</strong></div>
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                                                          17. November
                                                          2015 um 18:41
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="genmail@a-giese.de" target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          Reply of
                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…</div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="background-color:
rgb(255,255,255);"><small>Hi Al,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          again some
                                                          responses.</small><br>
                                                           
                                                          <div
                                                          class="moz-cite-prefix"><small>Am
                                                          14.11.2015 um
                                                          18:24 schrieb
                                                          <a
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class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
                                                          target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:</small></div>
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                                                          <div>Hi
                                                          Albrecht:</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Answers
                                                          to your
                                                          questions:</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>1) The
                                                          SED background
                                                          explains the
                                                          Planck BB
                                                          distribution
                                                           without
                                                          quantization.
                                                          It explans why
                                                          an atom
                                                          doesn't
                                                          collapse: in
                                                          equilibrium
                                                          with
                                                          background, In
                                                          fact, just
                                                          about every
                                                          effect
                                                          described by
                                                          2nd
                                                          quantization
                                                          has an SED
                                                          parallel
                                                          explantion
                                                          without
                                                           additional
                                                          considerations.
                                                           With the
                                                          additional
                                                          input of the
                                                          SED origin of
                                                          deBroglie
                                                          waves, it
                                                          provides a
                                                          direct
                                                          derivation of
                                                          the
                                                          Schröedinger
                                                          eq. thereby
                                                          explainiong
                                                          all of 1st
                                                          Quantization.</div>
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                                                          <div><small>Maybe
                                                          you achieve
                                                          something when
                                                          using SED
                                                          background. I
                                                          do not really
                                                          understand
                                                          this
                                                          background,
                                                          but I do not
                                                          see a
                                                          stringent
                                                          necessity for
                                                          it. But SED as
                                                          an origin to
                                                          the de Broglie
                                                          waves is of
                                                          interest for
                                                          me. I am
                                                          presently
                                                          working on de
                                                          Broglie waves
                                                          to find a
                                                          solution,
                                                          which does not
                                                          have the
                                                          logical
                                                          conflicts
                                                          which we have
                                                          discussed
                                                          here.</small></div>
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                                                          <div><strong>See
                                                          No. 11 (or 1)
                                                          @ <a
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                                                          href="http://www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com">www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com</a></a>   for suggetions and
                                                          some previous
                                                          work along
                                                          this line.</strong></div>
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                                              <font color="#006600"><small><strong>Thank
                                                    you, will have a
                                                    look.</strong></small></font>
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                                                          <div>2)
                                                          Olber's logic
                                                          is in conflict
                                                          with Mach's
                                                          Principle, so
                                                          is obviously
                                                          just valid for
                                                          visible light.
                                                           Given a
                                                          little
                                                          intergalacitc
                                                          plasma (1
                                                          H/m³), not to
                                                          mention
                                                          atmossphere
                                                          and
                                                          interplanatary
                                                          plama, visible
                                                          light
                                                          disappears to
                                                          Earthbound
                                                          observers at
                                                          visitble freqs
                                                          to reappear at
                                                          other, perhaps
                                                          at 2.7° even,
                                                          or at any
                                                          other long or
                                                          hyper short
                                                          wave length.
                                                           'The universe
                                                          matters'---which
                                                          is even
                                                          politically
                                                          correct
                                                          nowadays!</div>
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                                                          <div><small>Olber's
                                                          logic is
                                                          simple in so
                                                          far, as it
                                                          shows that the
                                                          universe
                                                          cannot be
                                                          infinite. I
                                                          have assumed
                                                          the same for
                                                          all background
                                                          effects. Or
                                                          are they
                                                          infinite?</small></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><small><strong>The
                                                          fly in the
                                                          ointment is
                                                          absorbtion.
                                                           An inf.
                                                          universe with
                                                          absorbtion in
                                                          the visible
                                                          part of the
                                                          spectrum will
                                                          still have a
                                                          largely dark
                                                          sky.  </strong></small></div>
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                                              <font color="#006600"><small><strong>And
                                                    the other way
                                                    around: Even if
                                                    there is no
                                                    absorption, the sky
                                                    will be dark. And
                                                    the general opinion
                                                    is that, even if
                                                    there is a lot of
                                                    radiation absorbed,
                                                    this absorbing
                                                    material will heat
                                                    up by the time and
                                                    radiate as well. So
                                                    an absorption should
                                                    not change too much.</strong></small></font>
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                                                          <small>What is
                                                          the conflict
                                                          with Mach's
                                                          principle?</small></div>
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                                                          <div><strong>Mach
                                                          says: the
                                                          gravitational
                                                          "background
                                                          radiation" is
                                                          the cause of
                                                          inertia. This
                                                          effect is
                                                          parallel to
                                                          the SED
                                                          bacground
                                                          causing QM
                                                          effects.
                                                          Conflict: if
                                                          Olber is
                                                          right, then
                                                          Mach is
                                                          probably wrong
                                                          (too weak).</strong></div>
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                                              <font color="#006600"><small><strong>In
                                                    my understanding,
                                                    what Mach means is
                                                    completely
                                                    different. Mach's
                                                    intention was to
                                                    find a reference
                                                    system which is
                                                    absolute with
                                                    respect to
                                                    acceleration. He
                                                    assumed that this is
                                                    caused by the stars
                                                    in our vicinity. He
                                                    did not have a
                                                    certain idea how
                                                    this happens, he
                                                    only needed the
                                                    fact. (Einstein
                                                    replaced this
                                                    necessity by his
                                                    equivalence of
                                                    gravity and
                                                    acceleration - which
                                                    however is clearly
                                                    falsified as
                                                    mentioned several
                                                    times.)</strong></small></font>
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                                                          <div>3) The
                                                          (wide spread)
                                                          criticism of 2
                                                          particles is
                                                          that there is
                                                          neither an <em>a-priori</em>
                                                          intuative
                                                          reason, nor
                                                          empirical
                                                          evidence that
                                                          they exist.
                                                           Maybe they do
                                                          anyway.  But
                                                          then, maybe
                                                          Zeus does too,
                                                          and he is just
                                                          arranging
                                                          appearances so
                                                          that we amuse
                                                          ourselves.
                                                           (Try to prove
                                                          that wrong!) </div>
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                                                          <div><small>I
                                                          have explained
                                                          how I came to
                                                          the conclusion
                                                          of 2
                                                          sub-particles.
                                                          Again:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          1) There is
                                                          motion with c
                                                          in an
                                                          elementary
                                                          particle to
                                                          explain
                                                          dilation<br>
                                                          2) With only
                                                          on particle
                                                          such process
                                                          is
                                                          mechanically
                                                          not possible,
                                                          and it
                                                          violates the
                                                          conservation
                                                          of momentum<br>
                                                          3) In this way
                                                          it is the only
                                                          working model
                                                          theses days to
                                                          explain
                                                          inertia. And
                                                          this model
                                                          explains
                                                          inertia with
                                                          high
                                                          precision.
                                                          What more is
                                                          needed?</small></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><small><strong>These
                                                          assumtions are
                                                          "teleological,"
                                                           i.e., tuned
                                                          to give the
                                                          desired
                                                          results.  As
                                                          logic,
                                                          although often
                                                          done, this
                                                          manuver is not
                                                          legit in the
                                                          formal
                                                          presentation
                                                          of a theory.
                                                           For a physics
                                                          theory,
                                                          ideally, all
                                                          the input
                                                          assuptios have
                                                          empirical
                                                          justification
                                                          or motivation.
                                                           Your 2nd
                                                          partical
                                                          (modulo
                                                          virtual
                                                          images) has no
                                                          such
                                                          motivatin, in
                                                          fact, just the
                                                          opposite. </strong></small></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                              <font color="#006600"><small><strong>My
                                                    logical way is just
                                                    the other way
                                                    around. I had the
                                                    plan to work on
                                                    relativity (the
                                                    aspects of time),
                                                    not on particle
                                                    physics. The
                                                    particle model was
                                                    an unplanned
                                                    spin-off.   I shall
                                                    try to explain the
                                                    logical path again:<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <u>1st step:</u> I
                                                    have calculated the
                                                    4-dimensional speed
                                                    of an object using
                                                    the temporal part of
                                                    the Lorentz
                                                    transformation. The
                                                    surprising fact was
                                                    that this 4-dim.
                                                    speed is always the
                                                    speed of light. I
                                                    have then assumed
                                                    that this constant
                                                    shows a permanent
                                                    motion with c in a
                                                    particle. I have
                                                    accepted this as a
                                                    probable solution,
                                                    but I have never
                                                    assumed this, before
                                                    I had this result.
                                                    It was in no way a
                                                    desired result. My
                                                    idea was to describe
                                                    time by a vector of
                                                    3 of 4 dimensions. -
                                                    I have then </strong></small></font><font
                                                color="#006600"><small><strong>no
                                                    further </strong></small></font><font
                                                color="#006600"><small><strong>followed
                                                    this idea.<br>
                                                    <u>2nd step:</u> If
                                                    there is some motion
                                                    in the particle, it
                                                    cannot be caused by
                                                    one constituent.
                                                    This is logically
                                                    not possible as it
                                                    violates the
                                                    conservation of
                                                    momentum. Also this
                                                    was not a desired
                                                    result but logically
                                                    inevitable.<br>
                                                    <u>3rd step:</u> If
                                                    the constituents
                                                    move with c, then
                                                    they cannot have any
                                                    mass. Also this was
                                                    not a result which I
                                                    wished to achieve,
                                                    but here I followed
                                                    my understanding of
                                                    relativity.</strong></small></font><br>
                                              <strong><small><font
                                                    color="#006600"><u><strong>4th
                                                      </strong></u><u>step:</u>
                                                    The size must be
                                                    such that the
                                                    resulting frequency
                                                    in the view of c
                                                    yields the magnetic
                                                    moment which is
                                                    known by
                                                    measurements.<br>
                                                    <u>5th step:</u> I
                                                    had to find a reason
                                                    for the mass of the
                                                    electron in spite of
                                                    the fact that the
                                                    constituents do not
                                                    have any mass. After
                                                    some thinking I
                                                    found out the fact
                                                    that any extended
                                                    object has
                                                    necessarily inertia.
                                                    I have applied this
                                                    insight to this
                                                    particle model, and
                                                    the result was the
                                                    actual mass of the
                                                    electron, if I
                                                    assumed that the
                                                    force is the strong
                                                    force. It could not
                                                    be the electric
                                                    force (as it was
                                                    assumed by others at
                                                    earlier times)
                                                    because the result
                                                    is too weak.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    None of the results
                                                    from step 1 thru
                                                    step 5 was desired.
                                                    Every step was
                                                    inevitable, because
                                                    our standard
                                                    physical
                                                    understanding (which
                                                    I did not change at
                                                    any point) does not
                                                    allow for any
                                                    alternative. - <u>Or
                                                      at which step
                                                      could I hav</u><u>e
                                                      had an alternative
                                                      in your opinion?</u><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    And btw: which is
                                                    the stringent
                                                    argument for only
                                                    one constituent? As
                                                    I mentioned before,
                                                    the experiment is
                                                    not an argument. I
                                                    have discussed my
                                                    model with the
                                                    former research
                                                    director of DESY who
                                                    was responsible for
                                                    this type of
                                                    electron
                                                    experiments, and he
                                                    admitted that there
                                                    is no conflict with
                                                    the assumption of 2
                                                    constituents.</font></small></strong>
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                                                          <small>I know
                                                          from several
                                                          discussions
                                                          with particle
                                                          physicists
                                                          that there is
                                                          a lot of
                                                          resistance
                                                          against this
                                                          assumption of
                                                          2
                                                          constituents.
                                                          The reason is
                                                          that everyone
                                                          learn at
                                                          university
                                                          like with
                                                          mother's milk
                                                          that the
                                                          electron is
                                                          point-like,
                                                          extremely
                                                          small and does
                                                          not have any
                                                          internal
                                                          structure.
                                                          This has the
                                                          effect like a
                                                          religion.
                                                          (Same with the
                                                          relativity of
                                                          Hendrik
                                                          Lorentz.
                                                          Everyone
                                                          learns with
                                                          the same
                                                          fundamental
                                                          attitude that
                                                          Lorentz was
                                                          nothing better
                                                          than a senile
                                                          old man how
                                                          was not able
                                                          to understand
                                                          modern
                                                          physics.)  - 
                                                          Not a really
                                                          good way, all
                                                          this.</small></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><small><strong>Mystical
                                                          thinking is
                                                          indeed a major
                                                          problem even
                                                          in Physics!
                                                           But,  some of
                                                          the objectiors
                                                          to a 2nd
                                                          particle are
                                                          not basing
                                                          their
                                                          objection of
                                                          devine
                                                          revelation or
                                                          political
                                                          correctness.  </strong></small></div>
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                                                          <div>4) It is
                                                          ascientific to
                                                          consider that
                                                          the desired
                                                          result is
                                                          justification
                                                          for a
                                                          hypothetical
                                                          input.  OK,
                                                          one can say
                                                          about such
                                                          reasoning, it
                                                          is validated <em>a
                                                          posteriori</em>,
                                                          that at least
                                                          makes it sound
                                                          substantial.
                                                           So much has
                                                          been granted
                                                          to your
                                                          "story" but
                                                          has not
                                                          granted your
                                                          story status
                                                          as a "physics
                                                          theory."  It
                                                          has some
                                                          appeal, which
                                                          in my mind
                                                          would be
                                                          enhansed had a
                                                          rationalization
                                                          for the 2nd
                                                          particle been
                                                          provided.
                                                           That's all
                                                          I'm trying to
                                                          do.  When you
                                                          or whoever
                                                          comes up with
                                                          a better one,
                                                          I'll drop
                                                          pushing the
                                                          virtual
                                                          particle
                                                          engendered by
                                                          the
                                                          background.
                                                          Maybe, it
                                                          fixes too many
                                                          other things.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div><small>My
                                                          history was
                                                          following
                                                          another way
                                                          and another
                                                          motivation. I
                                                          intended to
                                                          explain
                                                          relativity on
                                                          the basis of
                                                          physical
                                                          facts. This
                                                          was my only
                                                          intention for
                                                          this model.
                                                          All further
                                                          properties of
                                                          the model were
                                                          logical
                                                          consequences
                                                          where I did
                                                          not see
                                                          alternatives.
                                                          I did not want
                                                          to explain
                                                          inertia. It
                                                          just was a
                                                          result by
                                                          itself.<br>
                                                          So, what is
                                                          the problem? I
                                                          have a model
                                                          which explains
                                                          several
                                                          properties of
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles very
                                                          precisely. It
                                                          is in no
                                                          conflict with
                                                          any
                                                          experimental
                                                          experience.
                                                          And as a new
                                                          observation
                                                          there is even
                                                          some
                                                          experimental
                                                          evidence. -
                                                          What else can
                                                          physics expect
                                                          from a theory?
                                                          - The argument
                                                          that the
                                                          second
                                                          particle is
                                                          not visible is
                                                          funny. Who has
                                                          ever seen a
                                                          quark? Who has
                                                          ever seen the
                                                          internal
                                                          structure of
                                                          the sun? I
                                                          think you have
                                                          a demand here
                                                          which was
                                                          never
                                                          fulfilled in
                                                          science.</small></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><small><strong>The
                                                          problem,
                                                          obviously, is
                                                          that the
                                                          existence of
                                                          the 2nd
                                                          particle, as
                                                          you have
                                                          presented it,
                                                          is not a fact,
                                                          but a
                                                          Wunschansatz.
                                                           [BTW:  "See"
                                                          in this
                                                          context is not
                                                          meant
                                                          occularly, but
                                                          figuratively
                                                          for
                                                          experimental
                                                          verification
                                                          through any
                                                          length of
                                                          inferance
                                                          chain.]  So,
                                                          my question
                                                          is: what
                                                          problem do you
                                                          have with a
                                                          virtual mate
                                                          for the
                                                          particle?  In
                                                          fact, it will
                                                          be there
                                                          whether you
                                                          use it or not.</strong><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          And see again
                                                          Frank Wilczek.
                                                          </small><small><span><span
class="current-selection">He writes: "By co</span></span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">mb</span><span
class="current-selection">ining fragmen</span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">tatio</span><span
class="current-selection">n with su</span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">per</span><span
                                                          class="ls0 ws0
current-selection">-</span><span class="current-selection">con</span><span
class="current-selection">ductivity</span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">,
                                                          w</span><span
class="current-selection">e can get half-electro</span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">ns
                                                          tha</span><span
class="current-selection">t </span></small><small><span
                                                          class="current-selection">ar</span><span
class="current-selection">e their o</span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">wn
                                                          an</span><span><span
class="current-selection">tiparticles." </span></span></small></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><small><span><span
class="current-selection"><strong>A "straw in the wind" but sure seems
                                                          far fetched!
                                                           Superconductivity
                                                          is already a
                                                          manybody
                                                          phenomenon,
                                                           It's theory
                                                          probably
                                                          involves some
                                                          "virtual"
                                                          notions to
                                                          capture the
                                                          essence of the
                                                          average effect
                                                          even if the
                                                          virtual actors
                                                          do not really
                                                          exist. </strong></span></span></small></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <small><strong><font
                                                    color="#006600">This
                                                    was a nice
                                                    confirmation in my
                                                    understanding. So as
                                                    the whole article of
                                                    Wilczek. The
                                                    electron is in fact
                                                    enigmatic if one
                                                    follows main stream.
                                                    It looses a lot of
                                                    this property if my
                                                    model is used. - But
                                                    even without this
                                                    experimental hint I
                                                    do not see any
                                                    alternative to my
                                                    model without
                                                    severely violating
                                                    known physics.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Ciao<br>
                                                    Albrecht</font></strong></small><br>
                                               
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                                                          <br>
                                                          <small>Guten
                                                          Abend<br>
                                                          Albrecht</small></div>
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                                                          <div><small><strong>Gleichfalls,
                                                           Al</strong></small></div>
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                                                          <div>Have a
                                                          good one!   Al</div>
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                                                          14. November
                                                          2015 um 14:51
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <a
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                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
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target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Cc:</b> <a
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                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          Reply of
                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="background-color:
rgb(255,255,255);">Hi Al,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Why do we need
                                                          a background?
                                                          If I assume
                                                          only local
                                                          forces (strong
                                                          and electric)
                                                          for my model,
                                                          the
                                                          calculation
                                                          conforms to
                                                          the
                                                          measurement
                                                          (e.g. between
                                                          mass and
                                                          magnetic
                                                          moment) with a
                                                          precision of 2
                                                          : 1'000'000.
                                                          This is no
                                                          incident. Not
                                                          possible, if a
                                                          poorly defined
                                                          and stable
                                                          background has
                                                          a measurable
                                                          influence. -
                                                          And if there
                                                          should be such
                                                          background and
                                                          it has such
                                                          little effect,
                                                          which mistake
                                                          do we make if
                                                          we ignore
                                                          that?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          For the
                                                          competition of
                                                          the 1/r<sup>2</sup>
                                                          law for range
                                                          of charges and
                                                          the r<sup>2</sup>
                                                          law for the
                                                          quantity of
                                                          charges we
                                                          have a popular
                                                          example when
                                                          we look at the
                                                          sky at night.
                                                          The sky is
                                                          dark and that
                                                          shows that the
                                                          r<sup>2</sup>
                                                          case (number
                                                          of shining
                                                          stars) does in
                                                          no way
                                                          compensates
                                                          for the 1/r<sup>2</sup>
                                                          case (light
                                                          flow density
                                                          from the
                                                          stars).<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Why is a 2
                                                          particle model
                                                          necessary?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          1.) for the
                                                          conservation
                                                          of momentum<br>
                                                          2.) for a
                                                          cause of the
                                                          inertial mass<br>
                                                          3.) for the
                                                          radiation at
                                                          acceleration
                                                          which occurs
                                                          most time, but
                                                          does not occur
                                                          in specific
                                                          situations.
                                                          Not explained
                                                          elsewhere.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Ciao, Albrecht<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                           
                                                          <div
                                                          class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                                          13.11.2015 um
                                                          20:31 schrieb
                                                          <a
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                                                          target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>:</div>
                                                          <blockquote>
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                                                          <div>Hi
                                                          Albrecht:</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Your
                                                          proposed
                                                          experiment is
                                                          hampered by
                                                          reality!  If
                                                          you do the
                                                          measurement
                                                          with a gaget
                                                          bought in a
                                                          store that has
                                                          knobes and a
                                                          display, then
                                                          the
                                                          measurement is
                                                          for certain
                                                          for signals
                                                          under a couple
                                                          hundred GHz
                                                          and based on
                                                          some phenomena
                                                          for which the
                                                          sensitivity of
                                                          man-made
                                                          devices is
                                                          limited.  And,
                                                          if limited to
                                                          the electric
                                                          field, then
                                                          there is a
                                                          good chance it
                                                          is missing
                                                          altogether
                                                          oscillating
                                                          signals by
                                                          virtue of its
                                                          limited
                                                          reaction time
                                                          of reset time,
                                                          etc. etc.  The
                                                          vast majority
                                                          of the
                                                          background
                                                          will be much
                                                          higher, the
                                                          phenomena most
                                                          attuned to
                                                          detecting
                                                          might be in
                                                          fact the
                                                          quantum
                                                          effects
                                                          otherwise
                                                          explained with
                                                          mystical
                                                          hokus-pokus!
                                                           Also to be
                                                          noted is that,
                                                          the processes
                                                          invovled in
                                                          your model, if
                                                          they pertain
                                                          to elementray
                                                          entities, will
                                                          have to be at
                                                          very small
                                                          size and if at
                                                          the velocity
                                                          (c) will be
                                                          very high
                                                          energy, etc.
                                                          so that once
                                                          again, it is
                                                          quite
                                                          reasonable to
                                                          suppose that
                                                          the universe
                                                          is anything
                                                          but
                                                          irrelavant! </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Of
                                                          course, there
                                                          is then the
                                                          issue of the
                                                          divergence of
                                                          the this SED
                                                          background.
                                                           Ameliorated
                                                          to some extent
                                                          with the
                                                          realization
                                                          that there is
                                                          no energy at a
                                                          point in empty
                                                          space until a
                                                          charged entity
                                                          is put there,
                                                          whereupon the
                                                          energy of
                                                          interaction
                                                          with the rest
                                                          of the
                                                          universe (not
                                                          just by itself
                                                          being there
                                                          and ignoring
                                                          the
                                                          universe---as
                                                          QM theorists,
                                                          and yourself,
                                                          are wont to
                                                          do) is given
                                                          by the sum of
                                                          interactions
                                                          over all
                                                          particles not
                                                          by the
                                                          integral over
                                                          all space,
                                                          including
                                                          empty space.
                                                           Looks at
                                                          first blush to
                                                          be finite. </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Why fight
                                                          it?  Where the
                                                          hell else will
                                                          you find a
                                                          credible 2nd
                                                          particle?  </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>ciao,  Al</div>
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                                                          13. November
                                                          2015 um 12:11
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <a
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                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
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target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><br>
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                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          Reply of
                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="background-color:
rgb(255,255,255);">Hi Al,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          if we look to
                                                          charges you
                                                          mention the
                                                          law 1/r<sup>2</sup>.
                                                          Now we can
                                                          perform a
                                                          simple
                                                          physical
                                                          experiment
                                                          having an
                                                          electrically
                                                          charged object
                                                          and using it
                                                          to measure the
                                                          electric field
                                                          around us. I
                                                          say: it is
                                                          very weak. Now
                                                          look to the
                                                          distance of
                                                          the two
                                                          half-charges
                                                          within the
                                                          particle
                                                          having a
                                                          distance of
                                                          4*10<sup>-13</sup>
                                                          m. This means
                                                          an increase of
                                                          force of about
                                                          25 orders of
                                                          magnitude
                                                          compared to
                                                          what we do in
                                                          a lab. And the
                                                          difference is
                                                          much greater
                                                          if we refer to
                                                          charges acting
                                                          from the
                                                          universe. So I
                                                          think we do
                                                          not make a big
                                                          mistake
                                                          assuming that
                                                          there is
                                                          nothing
                                                          outside the
                                                          particle.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regarding my
                                                          model, the
                                                          logic of
                                                          deduction was
                                                          very simple
                                                          for me:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          1.) We have
                                                          dilation, so
                                                          there must be
                                                          a permanent
                                                          motion with c<br>
                                                          2.) There must
                                                          be 2
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          otherwise the
                                                          momentum law
                                                          is violated; 3
                                                          are not
                                                          possible as in
                                                          conflict with
                                                          experiments.<br>
                                                          3.) The
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          must be
                                                          mass-less,
                                                          otherwise c is
                                                          not possible<br>
                                                          4.) The whole
                                                          particle has
                                                          mass even
                                                          though the
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          are mass-less.
                                                          So there must
                                                          be a mechanism
                                                          to cause
                                                          inertia. It
                                                          was
                                                          immediately
                                                          clear for me
                                                          that inertia
                                                          is a
                                                          consequence of
                                                          extension.
                                                          Another reason
                                                          to assume a
                                                          particle which
                                                          is composed of
                                                          parts. (There
                                                          is no other
                                                          working
                                                          mechanism of
                                                          inertia known
                                                          until today.)<br>
                                                          5.) I had to
                                                          find the
                                                          binding field
                                                          for the
                                                          sub-particles.
                                                          I have taken
                                                          the simplest
                                                          one which I
                                                          could find
                                                          which has a
                                                          potential
                                                          minimum at
                                                          some distance.
                                                          And my first
                                                          attempt
                                                          worked.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          That is all,
                                                          and I do not
                                                          see any
                                                          possibility to
                                                          change one of
                                                          the points 1.)
                                                          thru 5.)
                                                          without
                                                          getting in
                                                          conflict with
                                                          fundamental
                                                          physical
                                                          rules. And I
                                                          do not invent
                                                          new facts or
                                                          rules beyond
                                                          those already
                                                          known in
                                                          physics.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So, where do
                                                          you see any
                                                          kind of
                                                          arbitrariness
                                                          or missing
                                                          justification?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Tschüß!<br>
                                                          Albrecht<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                           
                                                          <div
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                                                          12.11.2015 um
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                                                          <a
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                                                          <blockquote>
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                                                          <div>Hi
                                                          Albrect:</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>We are
                                                          making some
                                                          progress.  </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>To your
                                                          remark that
                                                          Swinger &
                                                          Feynman
                                                          introduced
                                                          virtual
                                                          charges, I
                                                          note that they
                                                          used the same
                                                          term: "virtual
                                                          charge/particle,"
                                                          in spite of
                                                          the much older
                                                          meaning in
                                                          accord with
                                                          the charge and
                                                          mirror
                                                          example.  In
                                                          the finest of
                                                          quantum
                                                          traditions,
                                                          they too
                                                          ignored the
                                                          rest of the
                                                          universe and
                                                          instead tried
                                                          to vest its
                                                          effect in the
                                                          "vacuum."
                                                           This idea was
                                                          suitably
                                                          mystical to
                                                          allow them to
                                                          introduce the
                                                          associated
                                                          plaver into
                                                          the folk lore
                                                          of QM, given
                                                          the sociology
                                                          of the day.
                                                           Even in spite
                                                          of this BS,
                                                          the idea still
                                                          has merit.
                                                          Your objection
                                                          on the basis
                                                          of the 1/r²
                                                          fall-off is
                                                          true but not
                                                          conclusive.
                                                           This fall-off
                                                          is matched by
                                                          a r² increase
                                                          in muber of
                                                          charges, so
                                                          the integrated
                                                          total
                                                          interaction
                                                          can be
                                                          expected to
                                                          have at least
                                                          some effect,
                                                          no matter
                                                          what.  Think
                                                          of the
                                                          universe to
                                                          1st order as a
                                                          neutral,
                                                          low-density
                                                          plasma. <span>I
                                                          (and some
                                                          others) hold
                                                          that this
                                                          interaction is
                                                          responcible
                                                          for all
                                                          quantum
                                                          effects.  In
                                                          any case, no
                                                          particle is a
                                                          universe unto
                                                          itself, the
                                                          rest have the
                                                          poulation and
                                                          time to take a
                                                          toll!  </span></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><span>BTW,
                                                          this is
                                                          history
                                                          repeating
                                                          itself.  Once
                                                          upon a time
                                                          there was
                                                          theory of
                                                          Brownian
                                                          motion that
                                                          posited an
                                                          internal cause
                                                          known as "elan
                                                          vital" to dust
                                                          specks
                                                          observed
                                                          hopping about
                                                          like Mexican
                                                          jumping beans.
                                                           Ultimately
                                                          this nonsense
                                                          was displaced
                                                          by the
                                                          observation
                                                          that the dust
                                                          spots were not
                                                          alone in their
                                                          immediate
                                                          universe but
                                                          imbededded in
                                                          a slurry of
                                                          other
                                                          particles,
                                                          also in
                                                          motion, to
                                                          which they
                                                          were reacting.
                                                           Nowadays
                                                          atoms are
                                                          analysed in QM
                                                          text books as
                                                          if they were
                                                          the only
                                                          object in the
                                                          universe---all
                                                          others being
                                                          too far away
                                                          (so it is
                                                          argued,
                                                          anyway).  </span></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><span>Your
                                                          model, as it
                                                          stands, can be
                                                          free of
                                                          contradiction
                                                          and still
                                                          unstatisfying
                                                          because the
                                                          inputs seem to
                                                          be just what
                                                          is needed to
                                                          make the
                                                          conclusions
                                                          you aim to
                                                          make.  Fine,
                                                          but what most
                                                          critics will
                                                          expect is that
                                                          these inputs
                                                          have to have
                                                          some kind of
                                                          justification
                                                          or motivation.
                                                           This is what
                                                          the second
                                                          particle
                                                          lacks.  Where
                                                          is it when one
                                                          really looks
                                                          for it?  It
                                                          has no
                                                          empirical
                                                          motivation.  
                                                          Thus, this
                                                          theory then
                                                          has about the
                                                          same ultimate
                                                          structure, and
                                                          pursuasiveness,
                                                          as saying:
                                                          'don't worry
                                                          about it, God
                                                          did it; go
                                                          home, open a
                                                          beer, pop your
                                                          feet up, and
                                                          forget about
                                                          it---a theory
                                                          which explains
                                                          absolutely
                                                          everything!</span></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><span>Tschuß,
                                                           Al</span></div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag,
                                                          12. November
                                                          2015 um 16:18
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Dr.
                                                          Albrecht
                                                          Giese" <a
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                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
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target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Cc:</b> <a
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                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          Reply of
                                                          comments from
                                                          what a model…</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="background-color:
rgb(255,255,255);"><font size="-1">Hi Al,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have gotten
                                                          a different
                                                          understanding
                                                          of what a
                                                          virtual
                                                          particle or a
                                                          virtual charge
                                                          is. This
                                                          phenomenon was
                                                          invented by
                                                          Julian
                                                          Schwinger and
                                                          Richard
                                                          Feynman. They
                                                          thought to
                                                          need it in
                                                          order to
                                                          explain
                                                          certain
                                                          reactions in
                                                          particle
                                                          physics. In
                                                          the case of
                                                          Schwinger it
                                                          was the Landé
                                                          factor, where
                                                          I have shown
                                                          that this
                                                          assumption is
                                                          not necessary.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          If there is a
                                                          charge then of
                                                          course this
                                                          charge is
                                                          subject to
                                                          interactions
                                                          with all other
                                                          charges in the
                                                          universe. That
                                                          is correct.
                                                          But because of
                                                          the normal
                                                          distribution
                                                          of these other
                                                          charges in the
                                                          universe,
                                                          which cause a
                                                          good
                                                          compensation
                                                          of the
                                                          effects, and
                                                          because of the
                                                          distance law
                                                          we can think
                                                          about models
                                                          without
                                                          reference to
                                                          those. And
                                                          also there is
                                                          the problem
                                                          with virtual
                                                          particles and
                                                          vacuum
                                                          polarization
                                                          (which is
                                                          equivalent),
                                                          in that we
                                                          have this huge
                                                          problem that
                                                          the integrated
                                                          energy of it
                                                          over the
                                                          universe is by
                                                          a factor of
                                                          10^120 higher
                                                          than the
                                                          energy
                                                          measured. I
                                                          think this is
                                                          a really big
                                                          argument
                                                          against
                                                          virtual
                                                          effects.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Your example
                                                          of the virtual
                                                          image of a
                                                          charge in a
                                                          conducting
                                                          surface is a
                                                          different
                                                          case. It is,
                                                          as you write,
                                                          the
                                                          rearrangement
                                                          of charges in
                                                          the conducting
                                                          surface. So
                                                          the partner of
                                                          the charge is
                                                          physically the
                                                          mirror, not
                                                          the picture
                                                          behind it. But
                                                          which mirror
                                                          can cause the
                                                          second
                                                          particle in a
                                                          model if the
                                                          second
                                                          particle is
                                                          not assumed to
                                                          be real?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          And what in
                                                          general is the
                                                          problem with a
                                                          two particle
                                                          model? It
                                                          fulfils the
                                                          momentum law.
                                                          And it does
                                                          not cause
                                                          further
                                                          conflicts. It
                                                          also explains
                                                          why an
                                                          accelerated
                                                          electron
                                                          sometimes
                                                          radiates,
                                                          sometimes not.
                                                          For an
                                                          experimental
                                                          evidence I
                                                          refer again to
                                                          the article of
                                                          Frank Wilczek
                                                          in "Nature"
                                                          which was
                                                          mentioned here
                                                          earlier:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a
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target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com">http://www.nature.com/articles/498031a.epdf?referrer_access_token=ben9To-3oo1NBniBt2zIw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Mr0WZkh3ZGwaOU__QIZA8EEsfyjmdvPM68ya-MFh194zghek6jh7WqtGYeYWmES35o2U71x2DQVk0PFLoHQk5V5M-cak670GmcqKy2iZm7PPrWZKcv_J3SBA-hRXn4VJI1r9NxMvgmKog-topZaM03&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com</a></a>:
                                                          </font><br>
                                                           
                                                          <div class="t
                                                          m88 x28 h2 y37
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class="current-selection">He writes: "By co</span></span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">mb</span><span
class="current-selection">ining fragmen</span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">tatio</span><span
class="current-selection">n with su</span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">per</span><span
                                                          class="ls0 ws0
current-selection">-</span><span class="current-selection">con</span><span
class="current-selection">ductivity</span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">,
                                                          w</span><span
class="current-selection">e can get half-electro</span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">ns
                                                          tha</span><span
class="current-selection">t </span></small><small><span
                                                          class="current-selection">ar</span><span
class="current-selection">e their o</span><span
                                                          class="current-selection">wn
                                                          an</span><span><span
class="current-selection">tiparticles." </span><br>
                                                           </span></small></div>
                                                          <font
                                                          size="-1">For
                                                          Wilczek this
                                                          is a
                                                          mysterious
                                                          result, in
                                                          view of my
                                                          model it is
                                                          not, on the
                                                          contrary it is
                                                          kind of a
                                                          proof.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Grüße<br>
                                                          Albrecht</font><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                           
                                                          <div
                                                          class="moz-cite-prefix"><font
                                                          size="-1">Am
                                                          12.11.2015 um
                                                          03:06 schrieb
                                                          <a
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                                                          <blockquote>
                                                          <div
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>Hi
                                                          Albrecht:</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Virtual
                                                          particles are
                                                          proxys for an
                                                          ensemble of
                                                          real
                                                          particles.
                                                           There is
                                                          nothing
                                                          folly-lolly
                                                          about them!
                                                           They simply
                                                          summarize the
                                                          total effect
                                                          of particles
                                                          that cannot be
                                                          ignored.  To
                                                          ignore the
                                                          remainder of
                                                          the universe
                                                          becasue it is
                                                          inconvenient
                                                          for theory
                                                          formulation is
                                                          for certain
                                                          leading to
                                                          error.  "No
                                                          man is an
                                                          island,"  and
                                                          no single
                                                          particle is a
                                                          universe!
                                                           Thus, it can
                                                          be argued
                                                          that, to
                                                          reject the
                                                          concept of
                                                          virtual
                                                          particles is
                                                          to reject a
                                                          facit of
                                                          reality that
                                                          must be
                                                          essential for
                                                          an explantion
                                                          of the
                                                          material
                                                          world.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>For
                                                          example, if a
                                                          positive
                                                          charge is
                                                          placed near a
                                                          conducting
                                                          surface, the
                                                          charges in
                                                          that surface
                                                          will respond
                                                          to the
                                                          positive
                                                          charge by
                                                          rearranging
                                                          themselves so
                                                          as to give a
                                                          total field on
                                                          the surface of
                                                          zero strength
                                                          as if there
                                                          were a
                                                          negative
                                                          charge
                                                          (virtual)
                                                          behind the
                                                          mirror.
                                                           Without the
                                                          real charges
                                                          on the mirror
                                                          surface, the
                                                          concept of
                                                          "virtual"
                                                          negative
                                                          charge would
                                                          not be
                                                          necessary or
                                                          even useful.  </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          concept of
                                                          virtual charge
                                                          as the second
                                                          particle in
                                                          your model
                                                          seems to me to
                                                          be not just a
                                                          wild
                                                          supposition,
                                                          but an
                                                          absolute
                                                          necessity.
                                                           Every charge
                                                          is, without
                                                          choice, in
                                                          constant
                                                          interaction
                                                          with every
                                                          other charge
                                                          in the
                                                          universe, has
                                                          been so since
                                                          the big bang
                                                          (if such were)
                                                          and will
                                                          remain so till
                                                          the big crunch
                                                          (if such is to
                                                          be)!  The
                                                          universe
                                                          cannot be
                                                          ignored. If
                                                          you reject
                                                          including the
                                                          universe by
                                                          means of
                                                          virtual
                                                          charges, them
                                                          you have a lot
                                                          more work to
                                                          do to make
                                                          your theory
                                                          reasonable
                                                          some how else.
                                                           In particular
                                                          in view of the
                                                          fact that the
                                                          second
                                                          particles in
                                                          your model
                                                          have never
                                                          ever been seen
                                                          or even
                                                          suspected in
                                                          the various
                                                          experiments
                                                          resulting in
                                                          the
                                                          disasssmbly of
                                                          whatever
                                                          targert was
                                                          used.  </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>MfG,  Al</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          </div>
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