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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28 Nov 2015 17:15  schrieb
      Roychoudhuri, Chandra </div>
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          style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0FC5">Albrecht: My responses
          are within your text below in blue ink.<o:p></o:p></span>
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              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0FC5">Attached documents
              will give further details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#0B0FC5">Chandra</span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                  Albrecht Giese [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 27, 2015 3:05 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Roychoudhuri, Chandra; Nature of Light and
                  Particles - General Discussion; Richard Gauthier<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments from
                  what a model…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt">Chandra,<br>
              <br>
              thank you for your explanations. </span><br>
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            <span style="font-size:10.0pt">However what's about your
              statement:  </span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">"So, there are
              no INERTIAL Frame of Reference anywhere in this universe"?
              On the other hand you assume a </span><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">Stationary
                  Complex Tension Field (CTF)</span></i></b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">. In my
              understanding, the CTF is just an example of an absolute
              frame of reference. How not?</span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">CTF is the ONLY
              universally stationary field in which everything, stars
              and us, are manifest as diverse assemblies of localized
              oscillations. We do not have multiple separate Inertial
              Frames for different observers. We all are in moving
              frames. EM waves are excitations of this stationary CTF
              and hence has the same velocity, c, everywhere in the
              universe. When the space volume of the CTF is regionally
              filled with different kinds of local oscillator-assemblies
              (atoms and molecules); the CTF tension values are reduced
              and the velocities of the EM waves are also reduced.</span></p>
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    <big><font color="#003300" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small>Maybe


          a problem of wording, but what you describe here is in my
          understanding just an absolute frame of reference of the kind
          by which e.g. Hendrik Lorentz has based his interpretation of
          relativity. <br>
          <br>
          The other question is whether your assumption of the CTF
          provides easier solutions to our questions in physics than an
          "empty" space. <br>
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              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">==============</span></b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><br>
              By the way, I do not see SR (or GR) as the foundation of
              physics. But we have relativistic phenomena, which are not
              fundamental for our physical world, but certain facts
              which happen. I attribute the relativistic phenomena to
              certain processes of particles and field, as you may have
              noticed.<br>
              <br>
              Let's take an example which is quite simple. If we move a
              clock, then the </span> <b><i><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">clock runs
                  slower</span></i></b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">. This can
              easily be verified if we move an atomic clock. The same is
              true for all temporal processes and events in physics.
              Now, if one star moves with respect to another one, all
              temporal processes run more slowly. This is a fact which
              we cannot deny. If we are now on a moving star and observe
              that the physical processes are similar to those on a star
              at rest, then they cannot be the same, but the effects of
              motion just compensate each other. <br>
            </span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3"><br>
              </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">There



              is nothing in this universe that keeps track of RUNNING
              TIME. This concept is a pure figment of imagination by
              Humans; albeit being very pragmatic and we have also
              invented reproducible  machines to display the conceptual
              “RUNNING TIME”. But, in reality, we use precision
              oscillators and count the number of complete oscillations
              the oscillator has executed. For a pendulum-clock, the
              return of the pendulum at the same physical location gives
              us the frequency. Human math inverts this frequency into a
              PERIOD, and thinks of it as a TIME INTERVAL. For atomic
              clocks, it is the frequency of the EM wave packet; which
              is precisely determined by the allowed atomic transition
              levels, (Delta-E)= (h-“</span><b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#C00000">nu</span></b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">”). [To my
              knowledge, the “</span><b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#C00000">nu</span></b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">” of a moving atom
              translates into Doppler frequency shift after the quantum
              transition has taken place, (h-“</span><b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#C00000">nu</span></b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">”).This is why
              atomic clocks are operated at extreme low temperature.] A
              larger number of complete oscillations gives the humans
              the sense of a longer time interval. Different objects of
              nature, being built out of oscillators, all have their own
              oscillation periods. There is no running time in the
              inorganic universe. Only living biological organisms have
              developed the perception of running time and long
              intervals of times by virtue of their biological memory
              bank. This is why, I believe that SR is a mis-adventure,
              away from proper understanding of physical processes going
              in nature. <b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
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                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">=================================================</span></b></p>
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    <big><font color="#003300" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small>I
          fully agree that "time" is a human concept. When we talk about
          time we refer to oscillations. The most basic oscillations
          which control all temporal processes in our physical nature
          are the oscillations with c - speed of light - in all
          elementary particles. And if we assume that this motion with c
          is related to a fixed reference system, then all relativistic
          relations regarding "time" are completely determined. This is
          (for this part) the Lorentzian interpretation of relativity.
          There is nothing mystical about it. SR is a formal treatment
          of just this situation. <br>
          <br>
          We humans have a special relation to time as we know that our
          lifetime is limited. So, I think, we can explains why "time"
          in our mind plays a bigger role than it plays in physics.  <br>
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                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">An example: Most
              physicists these days say that the speed of light is the
              same on all moving systems. Can this be true? No, it
              cannot, because if we measure the speed of light with a
              clock running differently from another clock and we get
              the same result, it can logically not be the same speed.
              We only measure the same speed which is an illusion. This
              is true for all physical processes. So the statement:   </span><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">"The LAWS OF
                  PHYSICS ARE SAME IN ALL STARS"</span></i></b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3"> </span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">are only true as
              an illusion. </span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">If the assumption
              of the discrete emission line frequencies of atoms and
              molecules are not the same in the coronas of all stars
              (besides Doppler broadenings due to local temperatures),
              the entire experimental Astrophysics will need complete
              re-evaluation! I do not think so.</span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"> </span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">"The LAWS OF
              PHYSICS ARE SAME IN ALL STARS" is the most logical
              assumption as of now. We may need to refine it further as
              we evolve in our scientific thinking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">==============================</span></b></p>
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    <big><font color="#003300" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small>What


          does it mean: In all stars? Isn't it our general understanding
          that the physical laws are the same? Normally the saying is
          that we have the same physical laws in all inertial systems.
          That is the Galilean relativity. Was maintained by SR, but
          in this context it is in my view just an illusion. And another
          step of Einstein: we have the same physical laws in all
          accelerated systems. That is Einstein's relativity in GR. And
          this is falsified as far as I understand. <br>
          <br>
          But what about stars? They will normally be in motion with
          respect to each other. And so I did understand you statement
          as "same laws in all inertial systems". Maybe I misunderstood
          it? <br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">Regarding the
              CTF I must confess that I have not read and not understood
              the details. You say that it has dielectric and magnetic
              tensions which determine the velocity of EM waves. This is
              an old problem as magnetism is not an original force but a
              relativistic side effect of the electrical force. So this
              way of thinking - like about EM waves - may work in a
              practical sense, but it does not refer to fundamental
              physical reactions. (That is not a specific problem of CTF
              but as well of electromagnetism.)<br>
              What about the </span><b><i><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">doughnut-like
                  wavicles</span></i></b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">? It looks like
              a complicated shape, at which wavicles are realized. I
              would like to better understand what makes them stable
              with respect to their shape and to their motion. Do you
              have a model for the stability?</span><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">I have not carried
              out the mathematical details of CTF to generate wevicles.
              Most of you are much batter mathematical physicists than
              me. So, I leave it to all of you to explore CTF further.
              CTF does provide the foundation for a one possible UFT
              (Unified Field Theory), Einstein’s dream.<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">Doughnut-like
              wavicles are my imagination to achieve the emergence of
              quantum-ness and stability of elementary particles.
              In-phase self-looped propagation of EM waves allows for
              both stability (quantization) and localization.
              Superconductivity of electrons, within only the layered
              structures of a variety of superconducting crystals, gives
              me the idea that electrons are more likely flexible
              planar, doughnut-like wavicles. Protons most likely have
              different wavicle structure; but must still possess
              extreme high frequency self-looped in-phase EM waves like
              oscillation. Remember, I am just trying to give imaginary
              structures that would conform to E=m(c-squared); where
              (c-squared)=1/ [(epsilon)(mu)]. <b><i>The mass-like
                  inertial properties are quantitatively completely
                  determined by the electromagnetic tension properties
                  held by the CTF.</i></b></span></p>
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    <big><font color="#003300" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small>Do


          you have any quantitative model or better mathematics to
          deduce the inertial properties?<br>
          <br>
          Protons are insofar different from electrons as they are no
          real elementary particles but composed of quarks. And I have a
          further objection, stated several times: c^2=1/(epsilon*mu)
          does not reflect the physical situation very well; better is
          the other order: mu=1/(c^2*epsilon), as magnetism, described
          by mu, is a side effect of the electric field caused by the
          finiteness of c. <br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">Human invented
              mathematical logic-driven theories, constructed out of
              smart set of postulates (logical imaginations) and then
              validated by experimental data; are not sufficient to
              guide us along the definitive correct path to extract the
              cosmic logics. We need to iteratively modify, re-structure
              and revalidate the theories and modes of experiments by
              anchoring ourselves to repeatedly imagining the  invisible
              physical interaction processes going on in nature. We have
              been successfully doing the (i) mathematical theorizations
              and (ii) experimental validations; and yet Physics has
              been stagnant for almost a century (a bit less!). Let us
              recognize Einstein’s advice, “It is the theory that names
              the parameter we measure”. Imagining the invisible
              interaction processes in nature provides us with another
              deeper level of access to cosmic logics (ontological
              reality). </span></p>
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    <big><font color="#003300" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small>I
          fully agree that the process of understanding the nature is a
          cyclic one. But I see another problem: sometimes some errors
          are fed into the logical process of development of theories
          which are not noticed for a long time. To avoid those does not
          need much philosophical considerations but just a critical
          mind and the willingness not to believe forever opinions,
          which we have been given by those "giants". One historical
          example was the proof of John von Neumann that QM is not
          compatible with a deterministic world. Von Neumann's proof was
          very exiting for the founders of QM (like Heisenberg) and it
          must have been carefully read by all theorists. But it took
          ca. 30 years until John Bell noticed that there was a big
          logical error in this proof. I knew a strict follower of
          Heisenberg (Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker) who refused to read
          the paper of Bell as he liked the result of von Neumann. - In
          the discussion with this group here it turned out that the
          initial equations of de Broglie regarding matter waves are
          logically wrong. Another example of permanent believe. If we
          succeed to avoid such situations we will have some progress
          independent from other means.<br>
        </small></font></big>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">So, we must learn
              to systematically imagine and keep on refining that
              “picture of interaction processes” that are going on in
              nature. Theories, validated by data are no longer
              sufficient for human intellectual evolution to understand
              nature!</span></p>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <big><font color="#003300" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small>Also

          history has shown than in many cases a good model was simply
          not seen for a some time. Take the planetary system of
          Copernicus. Or the periodic system of elements found by
          Mendelejew. We must be open to find new models which may
          possible provide solutions and are on the other hand based on
          honest physics.</small></font></big><br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">===========================</span></b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><br>
              At the end, the goal in physics was always to have a
              simple solution which starts from some as well simple
              assumptions and is able to explain all observations. Do
              you see this too as a goal?<br>
            </span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3"><br>
              </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1D22F3">I
              do enjoy simplicity, elegance, symmetry, etc., but I do
              not put too much “stock” in them, as far as trying to make
              theories about nature. The entire set of physical
              processes, from the very beginning to the finishing behind
              the birth of a baby, overall quite complex, although
              separate segments possess different qualifiers. Perfect
              symmetry would stop interaction processes and freeze the
              interactions in the evolving universe. The universe is
              majestically beautiful because of its perpetual evolution;
              and the beauties are full of complexities and asymmetries!<b>
                Chandra.</b></span></p>
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      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <big><font color="#003300" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small>I
          agree</small></font></big><big><font color="#003300"
        face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small> that symmetries are
          not the general solution even though main stream believes this
          these days. But I doubt that evolution is applicable here
          because that is a trial and error process. It works in a way
          that for a problem a huge number of solutions is offered</small></font></big><big><font
        color="#003300" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small> in
          nature </small></font></big><big><font color="#003300"
        face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><small> and one or few are
          selected. I cannot imagine that this happens in the field of
          elementary particles or of the universe.<br>
          <br>
          Sincerely<br>
          Albrecht<br>
        </small></font></big> <br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Am 22.11.2015 um 21:36 schrieb
              Roychoudhuri, Chandra:<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">Albrecht: May
                be you are finally finding the limitation behind using
                SR as the foundation of Physics. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">No stars or
                galaxies are stationary. All are moving with respect to
                each other. So, there are no INERTIAL Frame of Reference
                anywhere in this universe. Yet, line-centers of the
                emitted spectral lines are identical whether the light
                is collected from a distant star; or from a discharge
                tube on earth. And even the Doppler line broadening are
                precisely given by the local ambient temperatures. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">The LAWS OF
                PHYSICS ARE SAME IN ALL STARS (not in all inertial
                frames; which does not exist). So, we need the postulate
                of the stationary CTF.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">The universe
                is manifest as various kinds of excitations of the
                STATIOINARY Complex Tension Field (CTF). EM waves are
                linear excitations and hence move perpetually with the
                same velocity determined the dielectric and magnetic
                tensions of CTF. Particles are “wavicles”, localized
                in-phase self-looped propagation of waves of the CTF -
                doughnut-like (hence resonant and the origin of
                quantum-ness). These self-looped waves are like EM
                waves; but they are not quantized photons; they are
                quantized “wavicles”. Because finite EM wave packets (no
                Fourier modes exist) and particles (“wavicles”) are
                some-what similar propagating excitations (un-looped and
                self-looped) of the same CTF; they are eminently
                inter-convertible when the energy contents allow this
                through conservation of energy. The root cause behind
                the observable universal energy conservation is due to
                the fact that CTF, by itself, cannot dissipate the
                excitation energy in its own body; one excitation must
                be converted into another set of excitations. Forces in
                this CTF model are due to the various secondary
                potential gradients generated around the “wavicles” in
                the body of CTF.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">I understand
                that my CTF model for particles and waves; and the
                current model of particle theory with the forces as
                quantized exchange particles, are incompatible!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">Chandra. </span>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">==================================================</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                    General [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On




                      Behalf Of </b>Albrecht Giese<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:43 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Richard Gauthier<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
                    Discussion<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments from
                    what a model…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello
              Richard,<br>
              <br>
              I never have persistently tried to develop a 2-particle
              model. What I have persistently tried was to find a good
              explanation for relativistic dilation. And there I found a
              solution which has satisfied me. All the rest including
              the 2 particles in my model where logical consequences
              where I did not see alternatives. If there should be a
              model which is an alternative in one or the other aspect,
              I will be happy to see it.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Am 22.11.2015 um 00:13 schrieb
                Richard Gauthier:<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal">Hello Albrecht, <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">  I admire your persistence in
                    trying to save your doomed (in my opinion)
                    2-particle electron model. <o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Why 2 particles in the model? I say it
              again:<br>
              <br>
              1) to maintain the conservation of momentum in the view of
              oscillations<br>
              2) to have a mechanism for inertia (which has very precise
              results, otherwise non-existent in present physics)<br>
              <br>
              I will be happy to see alternatives for both points. Up to
              now I have not seen any.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Do you understand how
                    unreasonable and irrational it appears for you to
                    write:   "Then I had to determine the field constant
                    S which is normally provided by experiments. But
                    quantum mechanics is so unprecise regarding the
                    numeric value of the strong force that there is no
                    number available in the data tables. Here I found
                    that I could use the Bohr magneton to determine the
                    constant. (Which turned out to be S = hbar*c, merely
                    a constant).” ?  <o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <p class="MsoNormal">I have once asked one of the leading
              theorists at DESY for a better quantitative explanation or
              determination of the strong force. His answer: Sorry, the
              strong force is not good enough understood so that I
              cannot give you better information. <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">How could the number S  that you
                    could not find in “unprecise” tables about the
                    strong force possibly be the same number that can be
                    found precisely from the electron’s Bohr magneton
                    ehbar/2m and which you claim is S = hbar*c ? This is
                    an unbelievable, desperate stretch of imagination
                    and "grasping at straws", in my opinion. <o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <p class="MsoNormal">When I have realized that my model
              deduces the Bohr magneton, I have used the measurements
              available in that context to determine my field constant.
              (I could also go the other way: I can use the Planck /
              Einstein relation E = h * f and the Einstein-relation E =
              m*c<sup>2</sup> to determine the constant S from the
              internal frequency in my model. Same result. But I like
              the other way better. BTW: Do you know any other model
              which deduces these relations rather than using them as
              given?)<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Here is the meaning of “grasping
                    at straws” from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/grasp+at+straws">http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/grasp+at+straws</a> :<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <h2 style="box-sizing:
                  inherit;font-size:1.8rem;line-height:1.8rem;display:inline-block;margin:0.2rem




                  6px 0px"> <span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">grasp



                    at straws</span><o:p></o:p></h2>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hvr"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">Also,</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                        class="hvr"><b>clutch</b></span><b> at <span
                          class="hvr">straws</span></b>.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><span
                      class="hvr"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">Make</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><span
                      class="hvr"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">desperate</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                        class="hvr">attempt</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">at</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                        class="hvr">saving</span> <span class="hvr">oneself.</span> <span
                        class="hvr">For</span> <span class="hvr">example,</span> <i>He <span
                          class="hvr">had lost</span> <span class="hvr">the</span> <span
                          class="hvr">argument,</span> <span class="hvr">but</span> he <span
                          class="hvr">kept</span> <span class="hvr">grasping</span> at <span
                          class="hvr">straws,</span> <span class="hvr">naming</span> <span
                          class="hvr">numerous</span> <span class="hvr">previous</span> <span
                          class="hvr">cases</span> <span class="hvr">that had</span> <span
                          class="hvr">little</span> to do <span
                          class="hvr">with</span> <span class="hvr">this</span> <span
                          class="hvr">one</span></i>.</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><span
                      class="hvr"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">This</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                        class="hvr">metaphoric</span> <span class="hvr">expression</span> <span
                        class="hvr">alludes</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">to</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">a</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                        class="hvr">drowning</span> <span class="hvr">person trying</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">to</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                        class="hvr">save</span> <span class="hvr">himself</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">by</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                        class="hvr">grabbing</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">at</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                        class="hvr">flimsy</span> <span class="hvr">reeds.</span> <span
                        class="hvr">First</span> <span class="hvr">recorded</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">in</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                        class="hvr">1534,</span> <span class="hvr">the</span> <span
                        class="hvr">term</span> <span class="hvr">was used</span> <span
                        class="hvr">figuratively</span> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">by</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> <span
                        class="hvr">the</span> <span class="hvr">late</span> <span
                        class="hvr">1600s.</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">I am not at all opposed to using
                    desperate measures to find or save a hypothesis that
                    is very important to you. Max Planck described his
                    efforts to fit the black body radiation equation
                    using quantized energies of hypothetical oscillators
                    as an "act of desperation”.  So you are of course
                    free to keep desperately trying to save your
                    2-particle electron hypothesis. I personally think
                    that your many talents in physics could be better
                    spent in other ways, for example in revising your
                    electron model to make it more consistent with
                    experimental facts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Do you know any other electron model
              which is so much consistent with experimental facts (e.g.
              size and mass) as this one (without needing the usual
              mystifications of quantum mechanics)?<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">   By the way, van der Waals
                    forces do not "bind atoms to form a molecule". They
                    are attractive or repulsive forces between molecules
                    or between parts of a molecule. According to
                    Wikipedia:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">" <span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white">the </span><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525">van



                        der Waals forces</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> (or </span><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525">van




                        der Waals' interaction</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white">),



                      named after </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands"
                      title="Netherlands"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">Dutch</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientist"
                      title="Scientist"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">scientist</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Diderik_van_der_Waals"
                      title="Johannes Diderik van der Waals"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">Johannes




                        Diderik van der Waals</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white">,
                      is the sum of the attractive or repulsive forces
                      between </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecule"
                      title="Molecule"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">molecules</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> (or




                      between parts of the same molecule) other than
                      those due to </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covalent_bond"
                      title="Covalent bond"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">covalent



                        bonds</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white">,
                      or the </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_interaction"
                      title="Electrostatic interaction"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">electrostatic



                        interaction</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> of </span><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion"
                      title="Ion"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">ions</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> with




                      one another, with neutral molecules, or with
                      charged molecules.</span><sup id="cite_ref-1"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525"><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force#cite_note-1"><span
                            style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">[1]</span></a></span></sup><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525;background:white"> The




                      resulting van der Waals forces can be attractive
                      or repulsive.</span><sup
                      id="cite_ref-Van_OssAbsolom1980_2-0"><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#252525"><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force#cite_note-Van_OssAbsolom1980-2"><span
                            style="color:#0B0080;text-decoration:none">[2]</span></a></span></sup><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Yes, my arrangement of charges of the
              strong force causes as well a combination of attractive
              and repulsive forces and is doing the same like in the van
              der Waals case. That was my reason to refer to them.<br>
              <br>
              Best regards<br>
              Albrecht<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">with best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">      Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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