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    Dear John,<br>
    <br>
    <font color="#003300">thank you, and some comments from my part
      below in the text.</font><br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.12.2015 um 09:32 schrieb John
      Williamson:<br>
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          font-size:10pt">Dear Albrecht,<br>
          <br>
          Let me help a little: this is off the top of my head - but
          will give the right ballpark.<br>
          <br>
          The strong interaction (for nucleons) has a coupling constant
          about a hundred times bigger than EM. Interaction
          probabilities need 2 particles so this is about ten thousand
          times (coupling constant squared) bigger than EM.
          <br>
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          This is not a "small effect". Believe me - if they were there
          for leptons DESY would have noticed. Even more so we at the
          EMC (European Muon Collaboration) would have noticed if they
          were there for muons. They are not. You can believe this if
          you like, but you are wrong.<br>
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    <font color="#003300">The strong force binds the nuclei in the atom
      and binds the quarks in a nucleus. They have to be bound in a way
      that they do not touch each other. This is like the atoms in a
      molecule which are also bound to each other in a way that they do
      not touch. This is, as we know, achieved by a multipole field. In
      the molecule it is the van der Waals field based on the electric
      force. In the nucleus it must be also a multipole field, but based
      on the strong force. (In nuclear physics this is normally not
      explained in such a detail but only the result given; this is the
      typical way in QM). <br>
      <br>
      Such multipole field has a minimum of the potential at a certain
      distance. This distance defines the distance of the participants.
      But outside this range the field is still existent; at distance it
      could decrease by the 1/r^2 law. At least I assume this for my
      particle model and I see it confirmed by the fact that the Landé
      factor of the electron has the correct value if I make this
      assumption.<br>
      <br>
      If now two objects are bound to each other in this way, then the
      combined field seen from outside has a steeper decrease with r, in
      the example of my model with 1/r^4 at greater distances. So, if
      there is an electrical charge in addition, the fall-off at some
      distance will cause that outside the strong force is in effect
      weaker than the electrical one.</font>
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          Once again - if there were two bits inside the electron, held
          together by whatever forces, we would have seen this. We did
          not, so there are not. End of story. The electron, whatever it
          is, acts as one thing - at least up to energies up to 400 000
          times its mass-energy.<br>
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    <font color="#003300">This is clearly not correct. I have discussed
      this case with a former research director of DESY. He has spent
      his entire scientific life with electron scattering experiments
      and was known for his excellent knowledge of electron experiments
      all over the world. I could not convince him of my model of a
      composed and extended electron. But he admitted that there is no
      experimental evidence which is in conflict with my model. I have
      explained the reasons in detail here before, so I do not repeat it
      this time again.</font><br>
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          There IS something holding the electron charge together
          though. These have been, for the last century, designated the
          "Poincare stresses". Feynmann talks about these in his
          lectures. As far as I know, except for the description in my
          new papers (the interaction between electric field and p-vot)
          and the forces Martin and I have been calculating with and
          talking about over the last two decades, these remain
          otherwise mysterious. A mystery that endured for most of a
          century. In my theory everything is smooth and the whole
          object is a single self-confining wave. Just one thing.<br>
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    <font color="#003300">My impression regarding my electron model
      (which covers also all leptons and all quarks) is a simple and
      stable model which covers everything understood today and some
      facts in addition. <br>
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          Sorry if I gave the impression my talk at Mendel was on the
          proton size. It was not. I did talk about my model for quarks
          and the strong force though, though that is not in the
          proceedings paper (attached) which was on a possible reason
          for the exclusion principle for fermions.<br>
          <br>
          There is something on this on the internet in the talk I gave
          at CYBCOM, for which Nick Green provided a link earlier.<br>
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    <font color="#003300">Thanks!</font><br>
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          Regards, John W.<br>
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    <font color="#003300">Regards<br>
      Albrecht</font><br>
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                color="#000000" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Albrecht
                Giese [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>]<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 06, 2015 9:29 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> John Williamson; Nature of Light and
                Particles - General Discussion<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Mark, Martin van der; Nick Bailey; David
                Williamson; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pete@leathergoth.com">pete@leathergoth.com</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Reply of comments from
                what a model…<br>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello John,<br>
                <br>
                there seems indeed something not understood about the
                reaction between nucleons (i.e. quarks) and leptons. I
                have heard about the differently measured size of a
                proton depending on whether it is in contact with
                electrons or muons. Thanks that you have reminded me of
                this.<br>
                <br>
                The case of a muon in the atomic orbit, from which a
                smaller size of the proton follows, can be at least
                qualitatively deduced from the assumption of a strong
                force in leptons as given in my model. I should
                calculate this quantitatively but need some extra time
                to do it. Have it on schedule.<br>
                <br>
                There is another influence of the assumption of strong
                force in electrons in my model. I have shown in my talk
                in San Diego that the simultaneous influence of the
                electrical force and the strong force explains
                classically the Landé factor.
                <br>
                <br>
                You write about a talk which you have given about the
                topic of the proton's size at MEDEL2012 and about
                proceedings of it. Could you do me the favor and give me
                a link or some other connection to your contribution?<br>
                <br>
                Regards<br>
                Albrecht<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Am 01.12.2015 um 01:35 schrieb John Williamson:</div>
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                <div class="moz-forward-container">Hello Albrecht,<br>
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                    Good for you. I knew about this (peripherally) - but
                    would have been worried if there had been a direct
                    measurement of leptons feeling the "strong force" -
                    which this is not.<br>
                    <br>
                    There are a set of these "anomalies". The most
                    important (and oldest to my knowledge) is that
                    measured in spin-spin scattering at the ZGS
                    (O'Fallon et al 1977). There is another (the EMC
                    effect) with my own name on the papers (I am not
                    central to this work and am one of dozens of
                    "authors" on the papers: my role was just to write
                    some of the code for electromagnetic (QED) shower
                    simulation and for parts of a "QCD" monte-carlo used
                    in some of the analysis).<br>
                    <br>
                    There are more recent experiments where the proton
                    "size" differs (its cross-section - that is the
                    inter-action rate) depending on which lepton you
                    observe it with.<br>
                    <br>
                    These are all, in my view, down to a lack of
                    understanding as to what the "strong" force is.
                    There are no actual calculations for this because
                    the only theory we have (QCD) is non-perturbative. I
                    will translate (for mothers) "non perturbative" is
                    shorthand for - one cannot calculate anything with
                    it using any known techniques. Yes - that bad.<br>
                    <br>
                    The underlying anomlies all come fron the proper
                    nature of the strong force. THis was part of my
                    invited (keynote) talk at MENDEL2012 and there is
                    something on this in the proceedings.<br>
                    <br>
                    Regards, John.<br>
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                          Albrecht Giese [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"
                            target="_blank">genmail@a-giese.de</a>]<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 30, 2015 8:19 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> John Williamson; Nature of Light
                          and Particles - General Discussion<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Reply of
                          comments from what a model…<br>
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                      <div>Hello John,<br>
                        <br>
                        it took me some time to find references, sorry.
                        And I could not find the original paper of DESY
                        about it, but a magazine.
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        The indication of the strong force to leptons is
                        a more indirect conclusion. In 1997 two teams at
                        the HERA storage ring at DESY found an
                        unexpected excess of events in quark-positron
                        interactions. These events were unexpected as
                        the Standard Model excludes an interaction of
                        quarks with leptons on the basis of the strong
                        force. It was then made the ad hoc assumption
                        that an unknown particle may exist with name
                        leptoquark. Such particle is not excluded by the
                        Standard Model, and it is assumed to react with
                        leptons and with quarks. The following search
                        for leptoquarks at DESY and at other labs was
                        without success. So the direct interaction
                        between quarks and leptons by the strong force
                        will remain as a solution.<br>
                        <br>
                        I can give the following references for this:<br>
                        1.)  Scientific American, March 24, 1997  about
                        the detection of additional events<br>
                        2.) <small> </small>"Search for contact
                        interactions, large extra dimensions and finite
                        quark radius in
                        <i>ep </i>collisions at HERA", ZEUS
                        Collaboration, Physics Letters B 591 (2004)
                        23-41   as an example for the search for
                        leptoquarks.<br>
                        <br>
                        But I would like to emphasize again that the
                        assumption for the strong force in e.g. the
                        electron makes it possible to deduce the
                        inertial mass of this particle (as also of
                        others). I do not know any other approach which
                        provides an origin of inertia deduced from
                        basics.<br>
                        <br>
                        Regards<br>
                        Albrecht<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.11.2015 um
                          03:46 schrieb John Williamson:<br>
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                            Albrecht,<br>
                            <br>
                            So the strong force has been observed to act
                            on electrons at DESY? Very interesting. Do
                            you have a reference for that?<br>
                            <br>
                            Regards, John.<br>
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                                  General [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                  on behalf of Albrecht Giese [<a
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                                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 26,
                                  2015 4:53 PM<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> Richard Gauthier<br>
                                  <b>Cc:</b> Nature of Light and
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                              <div>Hallo Richard,<br>
                                <br>
                                thank you for your alternative proposal.
                                Unfortunately there are some points of
                                misunderstanding with respect to my
                                model. And also some other physical
                                arguments I like to point to - in your
                                text.<br>
                                <br>
                                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                  23.11.2015 um 19:43 schrieb Richard
                                  Gauthier:<br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote type="cite">Hello Albrecht,
                                  <div class=""><br class="">
                                    <div class="">    I’m glad that you
                                      say that developing a 2-particle
                                      model of the electron was not your
                                      main interest. I think it will be
                                      useful to see what parts of your
                                      model may be saved, and what parts
                                      may have to go, to get a working
                                      model in progress for the electron
                                      which most of us here might agree
                                      on. First, since there is no
                                      generally accepted evidence of a
                                      nuclear strong force relation to
                                      electrons, let’s drop that
                                      proposal for holding your 2
                                      circulating charged massless
                                      particles in orbit, at least for
                                      now. </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                Here I object. 1) The strong force in
                                the electron was seen at DESY
                                experiments in the 1990s. 2) Without
                                referring to the strong force, the
                                calculation of the mass of the electron
                                has incorrect results by a factor of
                                several hundred. This was found out by
                                physicists in the 1940s, e.g. by Helmut
                                Hönl. (I can send you his paper if you
                                are interested, however in German.)<br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class="">Second, since there’s
                                      no evidence for a two-particle
                                      structure of the electron from any
                                      scattering or other experiments,
                                      let’s also consider dropping that
                                      proposal for now. Your insistence
                                      that a 2-particle model is
                                      required for conservation of
                                      momentum at the sub-electron level
                                      does not seem sufficient to accept
                                      this part of your 2-particle
                                      model. We don’t even know
                                      experimentally that conservation
                                      of momentum exists at the
                                      sub-electron level, do we? Just an
                                      article of faith?</div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                This may be a point of personal
                                judgement, but in my view the
                                conservation if momentum is a
                                fundamental law in physics, maybe the
                                most fundamental law. It follows
                                logically from the symmetry of space
                                (refer to Emmy Noether, who has set some
                                logical basics for QM).<br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">    So what is left of
                                      your model? You claim that your
                                      two particles are massless and
                                      travel at light speed.  But you
                                      don’t say that they are also
                                      without energy, do you? If there
                                      are two massless particles, they
                                      will still each have to have
                                      0.511/2  MeV of energy if the
                                      electron’s total resting energy
                                      0.511 MeV is divided equally
                                      between them.
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                I have explained this in a former
                                comment. The two "basic" particles do
                                not have any energy by themselves. The
                                energy is caused by the motion of the
                                basic particles in the situation of a
                                bind. Mass is anyway a dynamic property
                                of matter as it is even seen by present
                                main stream physics.<br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class="">One kind of particle
                                      that has no rest mass but has
                                      energy and travels at light speed
                                      is a photon.
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                This assumption is not true as explained
                                above. <br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class="">(Let’s forget about
                                      gluons here for now since there is
                                      no accepted evidence for a strong
                                      nuclear force on electrons). So
                                      each of your two particles (if
                                      there are still two for some other
                                      reason besides conservation of
                                      momentum, and a need for an
                                      attractive force between them to
                                      overcome their electric repulsion)
                                      could be a charged photon
                                      (circulating charge is necessary
                                      to get a magnetic moment for the
                                      model) with energy 0.511/2 MeV,
                                      which has energy but no rest mass.
                                      OK.
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                Not true!<br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class="">But each of these two
                                      charged photons, each of energy
                                      0.511/2 MeV = mc^2/2 will have a
                                      wavelength of 2 Compton
                                      wavelengths = 2 h/mc . If 1
                                      wavelength of each photon is
                                      turned into a single closed loop,
                                      the each loop would have a radius
                                      2hbar/mc, which is twice the
                                      radius hbar/mc of your proposed
                                      electron model. To make each of
                                      these photons move circularly in a
                                      way that each of their wavelengths
                                      gives a radius of hbar/mc as in
                                      your model, each photon would have
                                      to move in a double loop. So there
                                      will be two photons each of energy
                                      0.511/2  moving in a double loop
                                      in this model. This is getting
                                      complicated.</div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                The Compton wavelength has a different
                                origin. It comes from scattering of
                                photons at an electron (example). The
                                Compton wavelength is then the maximum
                                change of the wavelength of the photon
                                in such process. - This wavelength is in
                                this way not any geometrical extension
                                of the electron. Yes, we find this value
                                in some calculations, but we should be
                                cautious to use it for the determination
                                of dimension.
                                <br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">   Let’s drop one of
                                      the two photons for simplicity
                                      (Occam’s razor put to good use) so
                                      that the other photon will have
                                      the full electron energy 0.511 MeV
                                      .
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                What is the origin of this energy in the
                                photon? And which mechanism causes
                                actually the energy of this photon? A
                                photon can in general have any energy,
                                doesn't it?<br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class="">This photon will now
                                      have a wavelength 1 Compton
                                      wavelength. If this 1 Compton
                                      wavelength charged photon moves in
                                      a single loop it will create an
                                      electron with magnetic moment 1
                                      Bohr magneton and a spin of 1
                                      hbar. That’s good for the
                                      experimental magnetic moment of
                                      the electron (slightly more than 1
                                      Bohr magneton)  but bad for its
                                      experimental spin (which you tried
                                      to reduce to 1/2 hbar in your
                                      model by a delayed force
                                      argument). If the photon moves in
                                      a double loop it will be good for
                                      the spin (which now is exactly 1/2
                                      hbar) but bad for the magnetic
                                      moment (now 1/2 Bohr magneton).
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                Why does the double loop reduce the
                                spin? Why the Bohr magneton? The
                                magnetic moment depends on the area in
                                the loop. How large is this area in this
                                case?<br>
                                <br>
                                The magnetic moment is larger than the
                                Bohr magneton. In my model this is the
                                contribution of the (small) electrical
                                charges in view of the (large) strong
                                charges.<br>
                                <br>
                                And which mechanism causes the double
                                loop? It cannot come from itself. A
                                circuit is a simple structure which does
                                not need many influences. A double loop
                                is more and needs a cause.<br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class="">So there’s still a
                                      problem with the model’s magnetic
                                      moment. But this double-looping
                                      charged photon model now has
                                      gained the zitterbewegung
                                      frequency of the Dirac electron
                                      which is desirable for an electron
                                      model which hopes to model the
                                      Dirac electron. And it also has
                                      720 degree symmetry which the
                                      Dirac electron has (while your
                                      original 2-particle model has a
                                      rotational symmetry of 180
                                      degrees, since each particle would
                                      take the place of the other after
                                      a half-circle rotation).</div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                In my model the zitterbewegung frequency
                                is the circulation frequency of the
                                basic particles. The rotational symmetry
                                is not 180 but 360 degrees as the strong
                                field of the basic particles is not
                                equal, but one basic particle changes
                                the other one by electrical influence.
                                This works analogue to the case of the
                                van der Waals force. <br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">    What do you think
                                      of this new model so far?</div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                Did I explain it sufficiently?<br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">        Richard</div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                Albrecht<br>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                      <div>
                                        <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                                          <div class="">On Nov 22, 2015,
                                            at 9:43 AM, Albrecht Giese
                                            <<a
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                                            wrote:</div>
                                          <br
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                                          <div class="">
                                            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
                                              class="">Hello Richard,<br
                                                class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              I never have persistently
                                              tried to develop a
                                              2-particle model. What I
                                              have persistently tried
                                              was to find a good
                                              explanation for
                                              relativistic dilation. And
                                              there I found a solution
                                              which has satisfied me.
                                              All the rest including the
                                              2 particles in my model
                                              where logical consequences
                                              where I did not see
                                              alternatives. If there
                                              should be a model which is
                                              an alternative in one or
                                              the other aspect, I will
                                              be happy to see it.<br
                                                class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              <div
                                                class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                                22.11.2015 um 00:13
                                                schrieb Richard
                                                Gauthier:<br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote type="cite"
                                                class="">Hello Albrecht,
                                                <div class=""><br
                                                    class="">
                                                  <div class="">  I
                                                    admire your
                                                    persistence in
                                                    trying to save your
                                                    doomed (in my
                                                    opinion) 2-particle
                                                    electron model.
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              Why 2 particles in the
                                              model? I say it again:<br
                                                class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              1) to maintain the
                                              conservation of momentum
                                              in the view of
                                              oscillations<br class="">
                                              2) to have a mechanism for
                                              inertia (which has very
                                              precise results, otherwise
                                              non-existent in present
                                              physics)<br class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              I will be happy to see
                                              alternatives for both
                                              points. Up to now I have
                                              not seen any.<br class="">
                                              <blockquote type="cite"
                                                class="">
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <div class="">Do you
                                                    understand how
                                                    unreasonable and
                                                    irrational it
                                                    appears for you to
                                                    write:   "Then I had
                                                    to determine the
                                                    field constant S
                                                    which is normally
                                                    provided by
                                                    experiments. But
                                                    quantum mechanics is
                                                    so unprecise
                                                    regarding the
                                                    numeric value of the
                                                    strong force that
                                                    there is no number
                                                    available in the
                                                    data tables. Here I
                                                    found that I could
                                                    use the Bohr
                                                    magneton to
                                                    determine the
                                                    constant. (Which
                                                    turned out to be S =
                                                    hbar*c, merely a
                                                    constant).” ? 
                                                    <br class="">
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              I have once asked one of
                                              the leading theorists at
                                              DESY for a better
                                              quantitative explanation
                                              or determination of the
                                              strong force. His answer:
                                              Sorry, the strong force is
                                              not good enough understood
                                              so that I cannot give you
                                              better information.
                                              <br class="">
                                              <blockquote type="cite"
                                                class="">
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <div class="">How
                                                    could the number S
                                                     that you could not
                                                    find in “unprecise”
                                                    tables about the
                                                    strong force
                                                    possibly be the same
                                                    number that can be
                                                    found precisely from
                                                    the electron’s Bohr
                                                    magneton ehbar/2m
                                                    and which you claim
                                                    is S = hbar*c ? This
                                                    is an unbelievable,
                                                    desperate stretch of
                                                    imagination and
                                                    "grasping at
                                                    straws", in my
                                                    opinion. <br
                                                      class="">
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              When I have realized that
                                              my model deduces the Bohr
                                              magneton, I have used the
                                              measurements available in
                                              that context to determine
                                              my field constant. (I
                                              could also go the other
                                              way: I can use the Planck
                                              / Einstein relation E = h
                                              * f and the
                                              Einstein-relation E = m*c<sup
                                                class="">2</sup> to
                                              determine the constant S
                                              from the internal
                                              frequency in my model.
                                              Same result. But I like
                                              the other way better. BTW:
                                              Do you know any other
                                              model which deduces these
                                              relations rather than
                                              using them as given?)<br
                                                class="">
                                              <blockquote type="cite"
                                                class="">
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <div class=""><br
                                                      class="">
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">Here is
                                                    the meaning of
                                                    “grasping at straws”
                                                    from <a
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                                                  <div class=""><br
                                                      class="">
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">I am not
                                                    at all opposed to
                                                    using desperate
                                                    measures to find or
                                                    save a hypothesis
                                                    that is very
                                                    important to you.
                                                    Max Planck described
                                                    his efforts to fit
                                                    the black body
                                                    radiation equation
                                                    using quantized
                                                    energies of
                                                    hypothetical
                                                    oscillators as an
                                                    "act of
                                                    desperation”.  So
                                                    you are of course
                                                    free to keep
                                                    desperately trying
                                                    to save your
                                                    2-particle electron
                                                    hypothesis. I
                                                    personally think
                                                    that your many
                                                    talents in physics
                                                    could be better
                                                    spent in other ways,
                                                    for example in
                                                    revising your
                                                    electron model to
                                                    make it more
                                                    consistent with
                                                    experimental facts.</div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              Do you know any other
                                              electron model which is so
                                              much consistent with
                                              experimental facts (e.g.
                                              size and mass) as this one
                                              (without needing the usual
                                              mystifications of quantum
                                              mechanics)?<br class="">
                                              <blockquote type="cite"
                                                class="">
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <div class=""> </div>
                                                  <div class="">   By
                                                    the way, van der
                                                    Waals forces do not
                                                    "bind atoms to form
                                                    a molecule". They
                                                    are attractive or
                                                    repulsive forces
                                                    between molecules or
                                                    between parts of a
                                                    molecule. According
                                                    to Wikipedia:</div>
                                                  <div class=""><br
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                                                      der Waals forces</b><span
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                                                      der Waals'
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                                                      class=""
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands" title="Netherlands"
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                                                      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Diderik_van_der_Waals"
                                                      title="Johannes
                                                      Diderik van der
                                                      Waals" class=""
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                                                      Diderik van der
                                                      Waals</a><span
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">, is the sum of the attractive or
                                                      repulsive forces
                                                      between </span><a
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> (or between parts of the same
                                                      molecule) other
                                                      than those due to </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                      href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covalent_bond"
                                                      title="Covalent
                                                      bond" class=""
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                                                      bonds</a><span
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">, or the </span><a
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_interaction"
                                                      title="Electrostatic
                                                      interaction"
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                                                      interaction</a><span
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> of </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion" title="Ion" class=""
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> with one another, with neutral
                                                      molecules, or with
                                                      charged molecules.</span><sup
                                                      id="cite_ref-1"
                                                      class="reference"
                                                      style="line-height:1;
                                                      font-size:11px;
                                                      color:rgb(37,37,37);
font-family:sans-serif"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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white-space:nowrap" target="_blank">[1]</a></sup><span class=""
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> The resulting van der Waals forces
                                                      can be attractive
                                                      or repulsive.</span><sup
id="cite_ref-Van_OssAbsolom1980_2-0" class="reference"
                                                      style="line-height:1;
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force#cite_note-Van_OssAbsolom1980-2"
                                                        class=""
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                                              Yes, my arrangement of
                                              charges of the strong
                                              force causes as well a
                                              combination of attractive
                                              and repulsive forces and
                                              is doing the same like in
                                              the van der Waals case.
                                              That was my reason to
                                              refer to them.<br class="">
                                              <br class="">
                                              Best regards<br class="">
                                              Albrecht<br class="">
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                                                  <div class="">with
                                                    best regards,</div>
                                                  <div class="">     
                                                    Richard</div>
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