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Hi John,<br>
<br>
you think that he (the former research director of DESY) was joking?
No, I have worked for 6 years in one of his teams and I have never
experienced that he was kidding someone. We had a lot of discussions
at that time and later on. He helped me to develop my model by
giving me necessary informations, even though he did not follow all
of my ideas. <br>
<br>
In the meantime he is over 85 years old and as far as I know, he is
private now in the sense that he has finished discussions with
others about physical problems. Anyway, I can try to contact him
again.<br>
<br>
But I think, we do not depend on him. If you or anyone else assume
conflicts of my model with any experiments, this could be a good
place to discuss it.<br>
<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 10.12.2015 um 21:42 schrieb John
Williamson:<br>
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<br>
He was just joking with you! Who is this guy anyway? perhaps I
should talk with him.<br>
<br>
Regards, John W.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 10, 2015 7:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Albrecht Giese; Nature of Light and Particles -
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Williamson; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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<div style="direction:ltr; font-family:Tahoma;
color:#000000; font-size:10pt">Hi Albrecht,<br>
<br>
Yes, did he not say that it would only be in agreement if
there was no 4-momentum in them? That they have zero
energy-momentum is just the same as saying that they are,
effectively, not there at all.<br>
<br>
Cheers, John.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 09, 2015 9:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Williamson; Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion<br>
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<div>Dear John,<br>
<br>
<font color="#003300">thank you, and some comments
from my part below in the text.</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.12.2015 um 09:32
schrieb John Williamson:<br>
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<div style="direction:ltr; font-family:Tahoma;
color:#000000; font-size:10pt">Dear Albrecht,<br>
<br>
Let me help a little: this is off the top of my
head - but will give the right ballpark.<br>
<br>
The strong interaction (for nucleons) has a
coupling constant about a hundred times bigger
than EM. Interaction probabilities need 2
particles so this is about ten thousand times
(coupling constant squared) bigger than EM. <br>
<br>
This is not a "small effect". Believe me - if
they were there for leptons DESY would have
noticed. Even more so we at the EMC (European
Muon Collaboration) would have noticed if they
were there for muons. They are not. You can
believe this if you like, but you are wrong.<br>
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<font color="#003300">The strong force binds the
nuclei in the atom and binds the quarks in a
nucleus. They have to be bound in a way that they do
not touch each other. This is like the atoms in a
molecule which are also bound to each other in a way
that they do not touch. This is, as we know,
achieved by a multipole field. In the molecule it is
the van der Waals field based on the electric force.
In the nucleus it must be also a multipole field,
but based on the strong force. (In nuclear physics
this is normally not explained in such a detail but
only the result given; this is the typical way in
QM). <br>
<br>
Such multipole field has a minimum of the potential
at a certain distance. This distance defines the
distance of the participants. But outside this range
the field is still existent; at distance it could
decrease by the 1/r^2 law. At least I assume this
for my particle model and I see it confirmed by the
fact that the Landé factor of the electron has the
correct value if I make this assumption.<br>
<br>
If now two objects are bound to each other in this
way, then the combined field seen from outside has a
steeper decrease with r, in the example of my model
with 1/r^4 at greater distances. So, if there is an
electrical charge in addition, the fall-off at some
distance will cause that outside the strong force is
in effect weaker than the electrical one.</font>
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Once again - if there were two bits inside the
electron, held together by whatever forces, we
would have seen this. We did not, so there are
not. End of story. The electron, whatever it is,
acts as one thing - at least up to energies up
to 400 000 times its mass-energy.<br>
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<font color="#003300">This is clearly not correct. I
have discussed this case with a former research
director of DESY. He has spent his entire scientific
life with electron scattering experiments and was
known for his excellent knowledge of electron
experiments all over the world. I could not convince
him of my model of a composed and extended electron.
But he admitted that there is no experimental
evidence which is in conflict with my model. I have
explained the reasons in detail here before, so I do
not repeat it this time again.</font><br>
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There IS something holding the electron charge
together though. These have been, for the last
century, designated the "Poincare stresses".
Feynmann talks about these in his lectures. As
far as I know, except for the description in my
new papers (the interaction between electric
field and p-vot) and the forces Martin and I
have been calculating with and talking about
over the last two decades, these remain
otherwise mysterious. A mystery that endured for
most of a century. In my theory everything is
smooth and the whole object is a single
self-confining wave. Just one thing.<br>
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<font color="#003300">My impression regarding my
electron model (which covers also all leptons and
all quarks) is a simple and stable model which
covers everything understood today and some facts in
addition. <br>
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Sorry if I gave the impression my talk at Mendel
was on the proton size. It was not. I did talk
about my model for quarks and the strong force
though, though that is not in the proceedings
paper (attached) which was on a possible reason
for the exclusion principle for fermions.<br>
<br>
There is something on this on the internet in
the talk I gave at CYBCOM, for which Nick Green
provided a link earlier.<br>
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<font color="#003300">Thanks!</font><br>
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Regards, John W.<br>
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<font color="#003300">Regards<br>
Albrecht</font><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 06, 2015
9:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Williamson; Nature of
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello John,<br>
<br>
there seems indeed something not
understood about the reaction between
nucleons (i.e. quarks) and leptons. I have
heard about the differently measured size
of a proton depending on whether it is in
contact with electrons or muons. Thanks
that you have reminded me of this.<br>
<br>
The case of a muon in the atomic orbit,
from which a smaller size of the proton
follows, can be at least qualitatively
deduced from the assumption of a strong
force in leptons as given in my model. I
should calculate this quantitatively but
need some extra time to do it. Have it on
schedule.<br>
<br>
There is another influence of the
assumption of strong force in electrons in
my model. I have shown in my talk in San
Diego that the simultaneous influence of
the electrical force and the strong force
explains classically the Landé factor. <br>
<br>
You write about a talk which you have
given about the topic of the proton's size
at MEDEL2012 and about proceedings of it.
Could you do me the favor and give me a
link or some other connection to your
contribution?<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
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Am 01.12.2015 um 01:35 schrieb John
Williamson:</div>
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Albrecht,<br>
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Good for you. I knew about this
(peripherally) - but would have been
worried if there had been a direct
measurement of leptons feeling the
"strong force" - which this is not.<br>
<br>
There are a set of these "anomalies".
The most important (and oldest to my
knowledge) is that measured in
spin-spin scattering at the ZGS
(O'Fallon et al 1977). There is
another (the EMC effect) with my own
name on the papers (I am not central
to this work and am one of dozens of
"authors" on the papers: my role was
just to write some of the code for
electromagnetic (QED) shower
simulation and for parts of a "QCD"
monte-carlo used in some of the
analysis).<br>
<br>
There are more recent experiments
where the proton "size" differs (its
cross-section - that is the
inter-action rate) depending on which
lepton you observe it with.<br>
<br>
These are all, in my view, down to a
lack of understanding as to what the
"strong" force is. There are no actual
calculations for this because the only
theory we have (QCD) is
non-perturbative. I will translate
(for mothers) "non perturbative" is
shorthand for - one cannot calculate
anything with it using any known
techniques. Yes - that bad.<br>
<br>
The underlying anomlies all come fron
the proper nature of the strong force.
THis was part of my invited (keynote)
talk at MENDEL2012 and there is
something on this in the proceedings.<br>
<br>
Regards, John.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November
30, 2015 8:19 PM<br>
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<div>Hello John,<br>
<br>
it took me some time to find
references, sorry. And I could not
find the original paper of DESY
about it, but a magazine. <br>
<br>
The indication of the strong force
to leptons is a more indirect
conclusion. In 1997 two teams at
the HERA storage ring at DESY
found an unexpected excess of
events in quark-positron
interactions. These events were
unexpected as the Standard Model
excludes an interaction of quarks
with leptons on the basis of the
strong force. It was then made the
ad hoc assumption that an unknown
particle may exist with name
leptoquark. Such particle is not
excluded by the Standard Model,
and it is assumed to react with
leptons and with quarks. The
following search for leptoquarks
at DESY and at other labs was
without success. So the direct
interaction between quarks and
leptons by the strong force will
remain as a solution.<br>
<br>
I can give the following
references for this:<br>
1.) Scientific American, March
24, 1997 about the detection of
additional events<br>
2.) <small> </small>"Search for
contact interactions, large extra
dimensions and finite quark radius
in <i>ep </i>collisions at
HERA", ZEUS Collaboration, Physics
Letters B 591 (2004) 23-41 as an
example for the search for
leptoquarks.<br>
<br>
But I would like to emphasize
again that the assumption for the
strong force in e.g. the electron
makes it possible to deduce the
inertial mass of this particle (as
also of others). I do not know any
other approach which provides an
origin of inertia deduced from
basics.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
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color:#000000; font-size:10pt">Hello
Albrecht,<br>
<br>
So the strong force has been
observed to act on electrons
at DESY? Very interesting. Do
you have a reference for that?<br>
<br>
Regards, John.<br>
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<div>Hallo Richard,<br>
<br>
thank you for your
alternative proposal.
Unfortunately there are
some points of
misunderstanding with
respect to my model. And
also some other physical
arguments I like to point
to - in your text.<br>
<br>
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23.11.2015 um 19:43
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Gauthier:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hello
Albrecht,
<div class=""><br
class="">
<div class=""> I’m
glad that you say
that developing a
2-particle model of
the electron was not
your main interest.
I think it will be
useful to see what
parts of your model
may be saved, and
what parts may have
to go, to get a
working model in
progress for the
electron which most
of us here might
agree on. First,
since there is no
generally accepted
evidence of a
nuclear strong force
relation to
electrons, let’s
drop that proposal
for holding your 2
circulating charged
massless particles
in orbit, at least
for now. </div>
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Here I object. 1) The
strong force in the
electron was seen at DESY
experiments in the 1990s.
2) Without referring to
the strong force, the
calculation of the mass of
the electron has incorrect
results by a factor of
several hundred. This was
found out by physicists in
the 1940s, e.g. by Helmut
Hönl. (I can send you his
paper if you are
interested, however in
German.)<br>
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<div class="">Second,
since there’s no
evidence for a
two-particle
structure of the
electron from any
scattering or other
experiments, let’s
also consider
dropping that
proposal for now.
Your insistence that
a 2-particle model
is required for
conservation of
momentum at the
sub-electron level
does not seem
sufficient to accept
this part of your
2-particle model. We
don’t even know
experimentally that
conservation of
momentum exists at
the sub-electron
level, do we? Just
an article of faith?</div>
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This may be a point of
personal judgement, but in
my view the conservation
if momentum is a
fundamental law in
physics, maybe the most
fundamental law. It
follows logically from the
symmetry of space (refer
to Emmy Noether, who has
set some logical basics
for QM).<br>
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<div class="">
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<div class=""> So
what is left of your
model? You claim
that your two
particles are
massless and travel
at light speed. But
you don’t say that
they are also
without energy, do
you? If there are
two massless
particles, they will
still each have to
have 0.511/2 MeV of
energy if the
electron’s total
resting energy 0.511
MeV is divided
equally between
them. </div>
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I have explained this in a
former comment. The two
"basic" particles do not
have any energy by
themselves. The energy is
caused by the motion of
the basic particles in the
situation of a bind. Mass
is anyway a dynamic
property of matter as it
is even seen by present
main stream physics.<br>
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<div class="">One kind
of particle that has
no rest mass but has
energy and travels
at light speed is a
photon. </div>
</div>
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This assumption is not
true as explained above. <br>
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<div class="">
<div class="">(Let’s
forget about gluons
here for now since
there is no accepted
evidence for a
strong nuclear force
on electrons). So
each of your two
particles (if there
are still two for
some other reason
besides conservation
of momentum, and a
need for an
attractive force
between them to
overcome their
electric repulsion)
could be a charged
photon (circulating
charge is necessary
to get a magnetic
moment for the
model) with energy
0.511/2 MeV, which
has energy but no
rest mass. OK. </div>
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Not true!<br>
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<div class="">
<div class="">But each
of these two charged
photons, each of
energy 0.511/2 MeV =
mc^2/2 will have a
wavelength of 2
Compton wavelengths
= 2 h/mc . If 1
wavelength of each
photon is turned
into a single closed
loop, the each loop
would have a radius
2hbar/mc, which is
twice the radius
hbar/mc of your
proposed electron
model. To make each
of these photons
move circularly in a
way that each of
their wavelengths
gives a radius of
hbar/mc as in your
model, each photon
would have to move
in a double loop. So
there will be two
photons each of
energy 0.511/2
moving in a double
loop in this model.
This is getting
complicated.</div>
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The Compton wavelength has
a different origin. It
comes from scattering of
photons at an electron
(example). The Compton
wavelength is then the
maximum change of the
wavelength of the photon
in such process. - This
wavelength is in this way
not any geometrical
extension of the electron.
Yes, we find this value in
some calculations, but we
should be cautious to use
it for the determination
of dimension. <br>
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<div class="">
<div class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div class=""> Let’s
drop one of the two
photons for
simplicity (Occam’s
razor put to good
use) so that the
other photon will
have the full
electron energy
0.511 MeV . </div>
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</blockquote>
What is the origin of this
energy in the photon? And
which mechanism causes
actually the energy of
this photon? A photon can
in general have any
energy, doesn't it?<br>
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<div class="">
<div class="">This
photon will now have
a wavelength 1
Compton wavelength.
If this 1 Compton
wavelength charged
photon moves in a
single loop it will
create an electron
with magnetic moment
1 Bohr magneton and
a spin of 1 hbar.
That’s good for the
experimental
magnetic moment of
the electron
(slightly more than
1 Bohr magneton)
but bad for its
experimental spin
(which you tried to
reduce to 1/2 hbar
in your model by a
delayed force
argument). If the
photon moves in a
double loop it will
be good for the spin
(which now is
exactly 1/2 hbar)
but bad for the
magnetic moment (now
1/2 Bohr magneton).
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Why does the double loop
reduce the spin? Why the
Bohr magneton? The
magnetic moment depends on
the area in the loop. How
large is this area in this
case?<br>
<br>
The magnetic moment is
larger than the Bohr
magneton. In my model this
is the contribution of the
(small) electrical charges
in view of the (large)
strong charges.<br>
<br>
And which mechanism causes
the double loop? It cannot
come from itself. A
circuit is a simple
structure which does not
need many influences. A
double loop is more and
needs a cause.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div class="">
<div class="">So
there’s still a
problem with the
model’s magnetic
moment. But this
double-looping
charged photon model
now has gained the
zitterbewegung
frequency of the
Dirac electron which
is desirable for an
electron model which
hopes to model the
Dirac electron. And
it also has 720
degree symmetry
which the Dirac
electron has (while
your original
2-particle model has
a rotational
symmetry of 180
degrees, since each
particle would take
the place of the
other after a
half-circle
rotation).</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
In my model the
zitterbewegung frequency
is the circulation
frequency of the basic
particles. The rotational
symmetry is not 180 but
360 degrees as the strong
field of the basic
particles is not equal,
but one basic particle
changes the other one by
electrical influence. This
works analogue to the case
of the van der Waals
force. <br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div class="">
<div class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div class=""> What
do you think of this
new model so far?</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Did I explain it
sufficiently?<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div class="">
<div class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">
Richard</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Albrecht<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div class="">
<div class=""><br
class="">
<div>
<blockquote
type="cite"
class="">
<div class="">On
Nov 22, 2015,
at 9:43 AM,
Albrecht Giese
<<a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a></a>> wrote:</div>
<br
class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class="">
<div
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
class="">Hello
Richard,<br
class="">
<br class="">
I never have
persistently
tried to
develop a
2-particle
model. What I
have
persistently
tried was to
find a good
explanation
for
relativistic
dilation. And
there I found
a solution
which has
satisfied me.
All the rest
including the
2 particles in
my model where
logical
consequences
where I did
not see
alternatives.
If there
should be a
model which is
an alternative
in one or the
other aspect,
I will be
happy to see
it.<br
class="">
<br class="">
<div
class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
22.11.2015 um
00:13 schrieb
Richard
Gauthier:<br
class="">
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite"
class="">Hello
Albrecht,
<div class=""><br
class="">
<div class="">
I admire your
persistence in
trying to save
your doomed
(in my
opinion)
2-particle
electron
model. </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Why 2
particles in
the model? I
say it again:<br
class="">
<br class="">
1) to maintain
the
conservation
of momentum in
the view of
oscillations<br
class="">
2) to have a
mechanism for
inertia (which
has very
precise
results,
otherwise
non-existent
in present
physics)<br
class="">
<br class="">
I will be
happy to see
alternatives
for both
points. Up to
now I have not
seen any.<br
class="">
<blockquote
type="cite"
class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">Do
you understand
how
unreasonable
and irrational
it appears for
you to write:
"Then I had
to determine
the field
constant S
which is
normally
provided by
experiments.
But quantum
mechanics is
so unprecise
regarding the
numeric value
of the strong
force that
there is no
number
available in
the data
tables. Here I
found that I
could use the
Bohr magneton
to determine
the constant.
(Which turned
out to be S =
hbar*c, merely
a constant).”
? <br
class="">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
I have once
asked one of
the leading
theorists at
DESY for a
better
quantitative
explanation or
determination
of the strong
force. His
answer: Sorry,
the strong
force is not
good enough
understood so
that I cannot
give you
better
information. <br
class="">
<blockquote
type="cite"
class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">How
could the
number S that
you could not
find in
“unprecise”
tables about
the strong
force possibly
be the same
number that
can be found
precisely from
the electron’s
Bohr magneton
ehbar/2m and
which you
claim is S =
hbar*c ? This
is an
unbelievable,
desperate
stretch of
imagination
and "grasping
at straws", in
my opinion. <br
class="">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
When I have
realized that
my model
deduces the
Bohr magneton,
I have used
the
measurements
available in
that context
to determine
my field
constant. (I
could also go
the other way:
I can use the
Planck /
Einstein
relation E = h
* f and the
Einstein-relation
E = m*c<sup
class="">2</sup>
to determine
the constant S
from the
internal
frequency in
my model. Same
result. But I
like the other
way better.
BTW: Do you
know any other
model which
deduces these
relations
rather than
using them as
given?)<br
class="">
<blockquote
type="cite"
class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">Here
is the meaning
of “grasping
at straws”
from <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/grasp+at+straws"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/grasp+at+straws">http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/grasp+at+straws</a></a> :</div>
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<div class=""><br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">I
am not at all
opposed to
using
desperate
measures to
find or save a
hypothesis
that is very
important to
you. Max
Planck
described his
efforts to fit
the black body
radiation
equation using
quantized
energies of
hypothetical
oscillators as
an "act of
desperation”.
So you are of
course free to
keep
desperately
trying to save
your
2-particle
electron
hypothesis. I
personally
think that
your many
talents in
physics could
be better
spent in other
ways, for
example in
revising your
electron model
to make it
more
consistent
with
experimental
facts.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Do you know
any other
electron model
which is so
much
consistent
with
experimental
facts (e.g.
size and mass)
as this one
(without
needing the
usual
mystifications
of quantum
mechanics)?<br
class="">
<blockquote
type="cite"
class="">
<div class="">
<div class=""> </div>
<div class="">
By the way,
van der Waals
forces do not
"bind atoms to
form a
molecule".
They are
attractive or
repulsive
forces between
molecules or
between parts
of a molecule.
According to
Wikipedia:</div>
<div class=""><br
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<div class="">" <span
class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">the </span><b class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
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font-size:14px;
line-height:22px">van der Waals forces</b><span class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> (or </span><b class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
font-family:sans-serif;
font-size:14px;
line-height:22px">van der Waals' interaction</b><span class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
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font-size:14px;
line-height:22px;
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">), named after </span><a
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class=""
style="text-decoration:none;
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font-size:14px;
line-height:22px" target="_blank">Dutch</a><span class=""
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title="Scientist" class="" style="text-decoration:none;
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line-height:22px" target="_blank">scientist</a><span class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
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font-size:14px;
line-height:22px;
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Diderik_van_der_Waals"
title="Johannes
Diderik van
der Waals"
class=""
style="text-decoration:none;
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line-height:22px" target="_blank">Johannes Diderik van der Waals</a><span
class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
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font-size:14px;
line-height:22px;
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">, is the sum of the attractive or
repulsive
forces
between </span><a
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title="Molecule"
class=""
style="text-decoration:none;
color:rgb(11,0,128);
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font-size:14px;
line-height:22px" target="_blank">molecules</a><span class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> (or between parts of the same
molecule)
other than
those due to </span><a
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title="Covalent
bond" class=""
style="text-decoration:none;
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font-family:sans-serif;
font-size:14px;
line-height:22px" target="_blank">covalent bonds</a><span class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
font-family:sans-serif;
font-size:14px;
line-height:22px;
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">, or the </span><a
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_interaction"
title="Electrostatic
interaction"
class="mw-redirect"
style="text-decoration:none;
color:rgb(11,0,128);
font-family:sans-serif;
font-size:14px;
line-height:22px" target="_blank">electrostatic interaction</a><span
class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
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font-size:14px;
line-height:22px;
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> of </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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style="text-decoration:none;
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font-size:14px;
line-height:22px" target="_blank">ions</a><span class=""
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
font-family:sans-serif;
font-size:14px;
line-height:22px;
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> with one another, with neutral
molecules, or
with charged
molecules.</span><sup
id="cite_ref-1" class="reference" style="line-height:1; font-size:11px;
color:rgb(37,37,37);
font-family:sans-serif"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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style="color:rgb(37,37,37);
font-family:sans-serif;
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background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> The resulting van der Waals forces
can be
attractive or
repulsive.</span><sup
id="cite_ref-Van_OssAbsolom1980_2-0" class="reference"
style="line-height:1;
font-size:11px;
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white-space:nowrap" target="_blank">[2]</a></sup></div>
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Yes, my
arrangement of
charges of the
strong force
causes as well
a combination
of attractive
and repulsive
forces and is
doing the same
like in the
van der Waals
case. That was
my reason to
refer to them.<br
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