<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Chandra and all,</div><div class=""> Social classes with different predominant psychological tendencies have dominated various societies throughout history — mainly through physical courage and valor (kings and queens, warlords and such), intellectual strength (priests and knowledge-workers) or extreme wealth-accumulative tendencies (the currently predominant capitalist social class). Individuals have various combinations and weightings of these psychological tendencies. Each social class has tended to exploit the other social classes including the working-class people who make up the majority of the population. Historically, social class dominance tends to shift cyclically from one dominant social class to the next through social evolution and revolution. Ordinary people have gotten the short end of the economic stick or worse every time, including modern times. No social class thinks of the general good of the whole society but only of its own narrow class interests. The social class predominant in physical courage and valor may be the next to become dominant in society. What is a genuine practical social solution transcending narrow class interests?</div><div class=""> Richard</div><div class=""> </div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 13, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Hodge John <<a href="mailto:jchodge@frontier.com" class="">jchodge@frontier.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class="">Humanitarianism yield socialism and the attempt against nature to increase the income of the many at the expense of the poor by force of arms rather than by the market. This yields the social system of the aristocracy and the surfs. This is the system the US are transitioning into (income inequity becoming worse ).<br class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450055769951_2511" class=""><span class=""></span></div><br class=""><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><font size="2" face="Arial" class="">On Sunday, December 13, 2015 4:41 PM, "Roychoudhuri, Chandra" <<a href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu" class="">chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</a>> wrote:<br class=""></font></div><br class=""><br class=""><div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv0045871649" class=""><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649WordSection1"><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><b class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">"If rivers flowed with milk, a lot of world hunger problems would be solved, ...."</span></i></b></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Friends: I could not resist adding another Sunday sermon!</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""></span></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" name="_MailEndCompose" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></a></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">“If rivers flowed with milk,…”, then the top 1% tribal leaders, as they have been doing for many millennia, would have taken complete control of the banks of all such milk-rivers.</span></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Population explosion is driven more from the evolutionary and economic pressures – survive with the aid of child labors in various forms and old-age support from grown up children. India still has that strong culture. By getting under increasing economic stress today, the West is beginning to develop the culture of “extended economic family” in a slightly different form.</span></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Let us not forget that historically, it has been the less developed countries (with less food for the down trodden population) who have been showing higher birth rates! To become richer and richer, the top 1% needs more and more low-salaried population. That is why the relative salary value of the US population is being systematically lowered for the last forty years. In the sixties, a MacDonald Hamburger worker was earning a living wage, along with medical insurance. Today, such workers survive only by utilizing their Government issued food-stamps and Government paid MedicAid. Notice also that, in USA, all forms of worker’s unions are being systematically destroyed; while systematically strengthening the police unions and equipping them with all possible military gears across the nation. Their salary is also significantly boosted by ample over-time services. They must be kept very happy.</span></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Milk rivers would always be kept out of access from the starving people under the current economic paradigm. Healthy and wealthy people historically have been producing fewer off-springs!</span></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Chandra.</span></div><div class="yiv0045871649yqt3798297012" id="yiv0045871649yqt87848"><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br clear="none" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, December 06, 2015 10:47 AM<br clear="none" class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Richard Gauthier<br clear="none" class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br clear="none" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] (no subject)</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> </div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">Hi:</span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">More or less! Also: stupid ideas grow exponentially! Maybe even ex/exponentially: exp(exp(k x t))! Seriously, doesn't matter what the rate is: finite is finite. </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">ciao, Al</span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(195, 217, 229); border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 8pt; margin: 7.5pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 7.5pt; word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div style="margin-bottom: 7.5pt;" class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">Gesendet:</span></b><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> Sonntag, 06. Dezember 2015 um 08:40 Uhr<br clear="none" class=""><b class="">Von:</b> "Richard Gauthier" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none" class=""><b class="">An:</b> "Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br clear="none" class=""><b class="">Betreff:</b> Re: [General] (no subject)</span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">Hi Al,</span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> Sounds like you’re a malthusian, with population growing geometrically while food supply only grows linearly. </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> Richard</span></div></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">On Dec 5, 2015, at 11:29 PM,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</span></div></div><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">Hi Richard:</span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">You wrote: </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">"If rivers flowed with milk, a lot of world hunger problems would be solved, ...."</span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">Really?? Isn't it much more likely that this would lead to a population explosion, and then even vastly greater hunger?</span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">So, maybe this theory (of well-being) suffers some of the same implicit circularity of many proposed "solutions of the universe" in physics!</span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class="yiv0045871649MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt;" class="">Just a random Sunday thought! 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