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Does this not all start with the E=mc^2 energy mass equivalence
postulate?<br>
A moving photon has energy therefore mass , if the wave is confined
to a circular path the mass could be considered stationary<br>
The equations can all be manipulated to come up with various
quantities and interpretations.<br>
<br>
What to me is problematic is the centrifugal forces. What balances
the tremendous outward pull?<br>
An electron only has charge that repels, and now centrifugal forces,
what holds it all together?<br>
<br>
Wolf<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/25/2016 8:33 AM, Albrecht Giese
wrote:<br>
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Dear Richard,<br>
<br>
you know that I object to your derivation of inertial mass. You
deduce it from momentum. That is mathematically possible by using
the known relations. But it is not logical in so far as momentum
depends on inertia. In a world without inertia there would be no
momentum.<br>
<br>
So we have to explain first the mechanism of inertia itself, then
we can derive the momentum and the inertial mass.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.01.2016 um 20:42 schrieb
Richard Gauthier:<br>
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<div class="">Hello Vladimir and Chandra and all,</div>
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<div class=""> Yes, I definitely support the idea of the ether
as material space, and that all physical particles are derived
from this ether. This ether can also be called a plenum or
Cosmic Tension Field.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""> I don’t however think that it is necessary to
explain the inertial mass of particles in relation to a
"coefficient of inertia” or "the amount of momentum the ether
resists." I have shown (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia"
class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> )
by a very simple derivation that the inertial mass m of an
electron may be derived from the momentum of the circling
photon in a circulating-photon model of the electron, whose
circling photon has momentum mc where m = Eo/c^2 = hf/c^2 ,
where Eo is the rest energy 0.511 MeV of the electron and f
is the frequency of the circulating photon in the resting
electron. Secondly, in a similar way I derived a linearly
moving photon's inertial mass to be M-inertial = hf/c^2 ,
where f is the photon’s frequency, even though a photon has
zero rest mass. Thirdly, I derived the inertial mass of a
relativistic electron, whose momentum is p=gamma mv, to be
M-inertial = gamma m , even though the moving electron's rest
mass is m. </div>
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</div>
<div class=""> I present these derivations below, taken from
the <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://academia.edu"
class="">academia.edu</a> session on my electron inertia
article at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link"
class="">https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link</a> :</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="js-non-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">"One reason people don’t think that a photon has any inertial mass (because it has no rest mass) is that how do you get a photon to change its momentum (i.e. accelerate) in order to measure its inertial mass. It can’t go faster or slower than c in a vacuum, so it can’t accelerate in a linear direction, and in normal physics a photon doesn’t follow a curved path (except with gravity), which would make it possible to measure its centripetal acceleration c^2/R . But as I showed in my short el</span><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">ectron inertia article at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_th%0A%2
0e_Elect%0A%0Arons_Inertia" class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> , the electron model in a resting electron has the photon going in a circle, with momentum mc and speed c, and the electron's inertial mass is then calculated to be M-inertial =(dp/dt)/Acentrifugal =wmc/(c^2/r)= m which is the inertial mass of the electron. But this calculation of the circling charged photon's inertial mass is independent of the radius of the charged photon’s circular orbit. Let that circular radius go towards infinity and you get a photon traveling in essentially a straight line, still having its inertial mass M =hf/c^2 (where the photon frequency f decreases as the radius of the circle increases) . So according to this logic, a linearly moving photon DOES have inertial mass M-inertial =hf/c^2 even though a photon has zero rest mass. And when a relativistic electron with momentum p=gamma mv travels in a circle with speed v, the inertial mass calculation ab
ove
gives M
-in
ertial = gamma m for a circling relativistic electron, and not just m the electron’s rest mass . Extending the radius here towards infinity also gives a linearly moving electron an inertial mass M = gamma m and not just the electron's rest mass m."</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; white-space: normal;" class=""> As far as I know these are all original derivations of the inertial mass of a resting electron, a photon and a relativistic electron based on a circulating photon model of an electron. I would be pleased to be shown otherwise.</span></span></div>
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<div class="">On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Roychoudhuri,
Chandra <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu" class="">chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</a>>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Yes, Vlad, that is
also my viewpoint.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">I do not remember
whether I have attached this paper while
communicating with you earlier. I call the “plenum”
Cosmic Tension Field (CTF), to be descriptive in its
essential properties.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Chandra.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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class="">On Behalf Of<span
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Tamari<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
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January 23, 2016 7:00 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
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class=""> </o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hi
Richard <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I
barge into your discussion without knowing your
views on a "plenum field" but if it is an ether I
definitely think there is one. A "coefficent of
inertia" might be defined as the amount of momentum
the ether resists. In a charged or gravitational
field this coefficent would increase...I think of
this in terms of my Beautiful Universe ether of
dielectric nodes, except this may give the wrong
idea it is something matter wades in.. not so.
Matter and ether are made if the selfsame nodes of
energy!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Cheers<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Richard Gauthier <<a
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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class=""> I don’t remember asking that. But
if I did, I’m glad the question was helpful.<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""> I’m thinking about inertia these
days. Do you or others have any insights about
its nature?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""> Richard<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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1:43 PM, Hodge John <<a
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Gauthier:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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New Roman', serif; background-color:
white;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif;" class="">You asked if
the galaxy redshift, Pioneer
anomaly, Pound--Rebka experiment
model had a velocity term. I looked
at redshift data for 1 galaxy and
found no indication of a velocity
term.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453325918779_2537"
class="">
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New Roman', serif; background-color:
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style="font-family: Helvetica,
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class="">
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New Roman', serif; background-color:
white;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif;" class="">I had not
noticed this in the equations. Your
suggestion that the plenum field can
look like the Higgs field seems
valid. That is, the acceleration of
the plenum field looks like it adds
energy (mass) is a Higgs Field
characteristic. Thus, the plenum is
closer to the idea of a quantum
field and Higgs field (weak force).<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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style="font-family: Helvetica,
sans-serif;" class="">Thanks for the
insight.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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