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    Hello Richard,<br>
    <br>
    there is not necessarily a hierarchy between mass and momentum. But
    the origin of all is the resistance against a change of the motion
    state. That resistance is called inertia. And this resistance causes
    momentum as well as mass. <br>
    <br>
    If you understand the momentum as on the top of the hierarchy, you
    have to explain which mechanism causes momentum. There must be one.
    What is it?<br>
    <br>
    My explanation of inertia is the only working one which I know. And
    which of course is not a tautological explanation. The other
    explanation followed by main stream is the Higgs model. That is
    derived from QM, and that is something which I personally do not
    like very much. But the strong argument against the Higgs model is
    the fact that the necessary Higgs field does not exist as far as we
    know. And again, I have never heard about another model of inertial
    which is not tautological. <br>
    <br>
    My model for leptons and for quarks has to function as it does,
    under the assumption that inertia has to be explained. And we may
    not ask for Occam's Razor if there is no alternative. I do not see
    any. <br>
    <br>
    My model explains the photon in a fundamentally similar way as a
    lepton and a quark. But for the photon something has to be added to
    explain its constant speed, i.e. the fact that it cannot be found at
    rest. And the fact of twice the spin. This letter point seems to me
    not too serious. <br>
    <br>
    The relativistic increase of the particle mass at motion (not only
    the electron, but all) is easily and straight explained by the
    model. Take the calculation of the inertial mass and adjust the
    distance of the sub-particles for the relativistic contraction. Then
    the straight result is the new mass increased by the factor gamma.
    Your find it in my web site about "origin of mass". And the relation
    energy to mass: E=mc^2 follows immediately from the same
    calculation. Who else has ever deduced the famous formula of
    Einstein? I do not know any else deduction which refers to a
    physical mechanism. <br>
    <br>
    Strong force? In the 1940s calculations of the electron have been
    made in Germany which were based on the assumption that there are
    only electrical forces in the particle. The resulting mass turned
    out to be too low by a factor of ca. 300. This is about the factor
    by which the strong force is stronger than the electrical one. So
    there is no surprise that with the assumption of the strong force
    the results are correct. I think this is a good argument. Isn't it?<br>
    <br>
    Albrecht<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.01.2016 um 01:50 schrieb Richard
      Gauthier:<br>
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      Hello Albrecht,
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        <div class="">   I know that you object to my derivation, but I
          am proposing that momentum is primary and inertia is
          secondary. You have got it backwards. The inertial mass of an
          electron is (in my approach) quantitatively due to the
          circulating internal momentum of its charged (or uncharged)
          photon. By extension, the inertial mass of all particles with
          rest mass is likely due to internally circulating momenta. It
          is true as you say that in a world without inertia (or
          inertial mass) there would be no momentum, but in a world
          without momentum there would also be no inertia (or inertial
          mass). Inertia (or inertial mass) is due to momentum (in my
          approach). Momentum is not due to inertia. </div>
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        <div class="">  I know that your electron hypothesis attempts to
          derive the inertia of an electron differently. But I think you
          will have to admit that my derivation of the electron’s
          inertial mass from the electron’s proposed circulating
          internal photon momentum is very much simpler than yours
          (which is by the way based on highly questionable premises
          since there is no accepted experimental evidence for the
          strong nuclear force influencing electric charges, zero
          experimental evidence for two sub-particles in an electron,
          and your electron model’s apparently negative rest mass due to
          its negative internal potential energy), and thus by Occam's
          Razor, much to be preferred. Plus, your model doesn’t derive
          the inertial mass of a photon as hf/c^2 or the inertial mass
          of a relativistically moving electron as gamma m, does it?</div>
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        <div class="">     Richard</div>
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              <div class="">On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Albrecht Giese
                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""> Dear
                  Richard,<br class="">
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                  you know that I object to your derivation of inertial
                  mass. You deduce it from momentum. That is
                  mathematically possible by using the known relations.
                  But it is not logical in so far as momentum depends on
                  inertia. In a world without inertia there would be no
                  momentum.<br class="">
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                  So we have to explain first the mechanism of inertia
                  itself, then we can derive the momentum and the
                  inertial mass.<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  Best<br class="">
                  Albrecht<br class="">
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.01.2016 um 20:42
                    schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br class="">
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                    <div class="">Hello Vladimir and Chandra and all,</div>
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                    <div class="">  Yes, I definitely support the idea
                      of the ether as material space, and that all
                      physical particles are derived from this ether.
                      This ether can also be called a plenum or Cosmic
                      Tension Field.</div>
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                    <div class="">   I don’t however think that it is
                      necessary to explain the inertial mass of
                      particles in relation to a "coefficient of
                      inertia” or "the amount of momentum the ether
                      resists." I have shown (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia"
                        class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> )


                      by a very simple derivation that the inertial mass
                      m of an electron may be derived from the momentum
                      of the circling photon in a circulating-photon
                      model of the electron, whose circling photon has
                      momentum mc where m = Eo/c^2 = hf/c^2 ,  where Eo
                      is the rest energy 0.511 MeV of the electron and f
                      is the frequency of the circulating photon in the
                      resting electron. Secondly, in a similar way I
                      derived a linearly moving photon's inertial mass
                      to be M-inertial = hf/c^2 , where f is the
                      photon’s frequency, even though a photon has zero
                      rest mass. Thirdly, I derived the inertial mass of
                      a relativistic electron, whose momentum is p=gamma
                      mv, to be  M-inertial = gamma m , even though the
                      moving electron's rest mass is m.  </div>
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                    <div class="">   I present these  derivations below,
                      taken from the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://academia.edu/" class="">academia.edu</a> session
                      on my electron inertia article at <a
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                        href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link"
                        class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link">https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link</a></a> :</div>
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                    <div class=""><span class="js-non-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">"One reason people don’t think that a photon has any inertial mass (because it has no rest mass) is that how do you get a photon to change its momentum (i.e. accelerate) in order to measure its inertial mass. It can’t go faster or slower than c in a vacuum, so it can’t accelerate in a linear direction, and in normal physics a photon doesn’t follow a curved path (except with gravity), which would make it possible to measure its centripetal acceleration c^2/R . But as I showed in my short el</span><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">ectron inertia  article at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origi
n_of_the_Elect%0Arons_Inertia" class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> , the electron model in a resting electron has the photon going in a circle, with momentum mc and speed c, and the electron's inertial mass is then calculated to be M-inertial =(dp/dt)/Acentrifugal =wmc/(c^2/r)= m which is the inertial mass of the electron. But this calculation of the circling charged photon's inertial mass is independent of the radius of the charged photon’s circular orbit. Let that circular radius go towards infinity and you get a photon traveling in essentially a straight line, still having its inertial mass M =hf/c^2 (where the photon frequency f decreases as the radius of the circle increases) . So according to this logic,  a linearly moving photon DOES have inertial mass M-inertial =hf/c^2 even though a photon has zero rest mass. And when a relativistic electron with momentum p=gamma mv travels in a circle with speed v, the inertial mass calculation
 above gives M
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ertial = gamma m for a circling relativistic electron, and not just m the electron’s rest mass . Extending the radius here towards infinity also gives a linearly moving electron an inertial mass M = gamma m and not just the electron's rest mass m."</span></div>
                    <div class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
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                    <div class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; white-space: normal;" class="">      As far as I know these are all original derivations of the inertial mass of a resting electron, a photon and a relativistic electron based on a circulating photon model of an electron. I would be pleased to be shown otherwise.</span></span></div>
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                    <div class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; white-space: normal;" class="">  Richard</span></span></div>
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                        <div class="">On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:42 AM,
                          Roychoudhuri, Chandra <<a
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                          wrote:</div>
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                                style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Yes,
                                Vlad, that is also my viewpoint.<o:p
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                                style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">I do
                                not remember whether I have attached
                                this paper while communicating with you
                                earlier. I call the “plenum” Cosmic
                                Tension Field (CTF), to be descriptive
                                in its essential properties.<o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                      class="">On Behalf Of<span
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                                    Tamari<br class="">
                                    <b class="">Sent:</b><span
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                                    January 23, 2016 7:00 PM<br class="">
                                    <b class="">To:</b><span
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                                    of Light and Particles - General
                                    Discussion<br class="">
                                    <b class="">Subject:</b><span
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                                    [General] (no subject)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                Roman', serif;" class="">I barge into
                                your discussion without knowing your
                                views on a "plenum field" but if it is
                                an ether I definitely think there is
                                one. A "coefficent of inertia" might be
                                defined as the amount of momentum the
                                ether resists. In a charged or
                                gravitational field this coefficent
                                would increase...I think of this in
                                terms of my Beautiful Universe ether of
                                dielectric nodes, except this may give
                                the wrong idea it is something matter
                                wades in.. not so. Matter and ether are
                                made if the selfsame nodes of energy!<o:p
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                                Gauthier <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                  href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>>


                                wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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                                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                    don’t remember asking that. But if I
                                    did, I’m glad the question was
                                    helpful.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                    thinking about inertia these days.
                                    Do you or others have any insights
                                    about its nature?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                                style="font-family:
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                                                class="">You asked if
                                                the galaxy redshift,
                                                Pioneer anomaly,
                                                Pound--Rebka experiment
                                                model had a velocity
                                                term. I looked at
                                                redshift data for 1
                                                galaxy and found no
                                                indication of a velocity
                                                term.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                                class="">I had not
                                                noticed this in the
                                                equations. Your
                                                suggestion that the
                                                plenum field can look
                                                like the Higgs field
                                                seems valid. That is,
                                                the acceleration of the
                                                plenum field looks like
                                                it adds energy (mass) is
                                                a Higgs Field
                                                characteristic. Thus,
                                                the plenum is closer to
                                                the idea of a quantum
                                                field and Higgs field
                                                (weak force).<o:p
                                                  class=""></o:p></span></div>
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