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    Hi Richard,<br>
    <br>
    here again my objection. You use "momentum" without explaining it
    physically. That sounds to me not like physics, more like religion.
    (Unfortunately we are used to hear arguments like this since QM was
    developed.)<br>
    <br>
    Which "force" is inertia? In my view this force is the strong force.
    And with this assumption all inertia related phenomena can be
    explained as there are mass and momentum.<br>
    <br>
    Albrecht<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.01.2016 um 03:12 schrieb Richard
      Gauthier:<br>
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      <div class="">Chandra and all,</div>
      <div class="">    I think it has been historically misleading to
        define inertia as a “resistance” to acceleration. There is no
        known innate force or mechanism of resistance to acceleration
        (although Isaac Newton originally defined inertia as being
        caused by some kind of ‘innate force’. Conservation of momentum
        may be the best explanation for inertia. The more momentum
        something has, the larger the force required to accelerate it.
         Why momentum is conserved is a deeper topic. If you google
        “difference between inertia and momentum” you’ll find a lot of
        confusion between inertia and momentum, probably because the
        concepts seem closely related.</div>
      <div class="">    According to the Wikipedia article : “inertia”</div>
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      <div class=""><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family:
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          background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> In fact,
          Newton originally viewed the phenomenon he described in his
          First Law of Motion as being caused by "innate forces"
          inherent in matter, which resisted any acceleration. Given
          this perspective, and borrowing from Kepler, Newton actually
          attributed the term "inertia" to mean "the innate force
          possessed by an object which resists changes in motion"; thus
          Newton defined "inertia" to mean the cause of the phenomenon,
          rather than the phenomenon itself. However, Newton's original
          ideas of "innate resistive force" were ultimately problematic
          for a variety of reasons, and thus most physicists no longer
          think in these terms. As no alternate mechanism has been
          readily accepted, and it is now generally accepted that there
          may not be one which we can know, the term "inertia" has come
          to mean simply the phenomenon itself, rather than any inherent
          mechanism. Thus, ultimately, "inertia" in modern classical
          physics has come to be a name for the same phenomenon
          described by Newton's First Law of Motion, and the two
          concepts are now considered to be equivalent.</span></div>
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          <div class="">On Jan 25, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Roychoudhuri,
            Chandra <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu" class="">chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</a>>
            wrote:</div>
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                  sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Chip:
                  My conjecture is this: what we call “mass”
                  (m=E/c-squared) is the inertial behavior of the
                  self-loped oscillations that we identify as particles.
                  And the quantitative “inertial property” is directly
                  proportional to the energy content, E, of the
                  self-looped oscillation of the CTF. The inertia, of
                  course, is its resistance to move through the CTF. We
                  need new potential gradients in the CTF around
                  interacting particles for them to experience “Falling
                  into” or “be repelled by”.<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                  sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Chandra.<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a
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                        class="">On Behalf Of<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chip
                      Akins<br class="">
                      <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                      January 25, 2016 5:44 PM<br class="">
                      <b class="">To:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Nature of
                      Light and Particles - General Discussion'<br
                        class="">
                      <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                      [General] (no subject)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
                  class=""> </o:p></div>
              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hi All<o:p
                  class=""></o:p></div>
              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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                  class=""> </o:p></div>
              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I am
                looking for any thoughts or insight regarding the masses
                of the particles.  Specifically the electron, muon,
                proton neutron, and tau.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
                  class=""> </o:p></div>
              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Recently
                I have been searching for a physical explanation of why
                the following 4<sup class="">th</sup><span
                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>order polynomial
                predicts these masses (Energies).<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
                  class=""> </o:p></div>
              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">E =
                2.16215091940284E-11n<sup class="">4</sup><span
                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-
                2.57974739967757E-10n<sup class="">3</sup><span
                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>+
                1.06568810515144E-09n<sup class="">2</sup><span
                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-
                1.69871730871029E-09n + 8.69464305369825E-10<o:p
                  class=""></o:p></div>
              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
                  class=""> </o:p></div>
              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Chip<o:p
                  class=""></o:p></div>
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                  class=""> </o:p></div>
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                  class=""> </o:p></div>
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                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a
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                        class="">On Behalf Of<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roychoudhuri,
                      Chandra<br class="">
                      <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                      January 25, 2016 3:09 PM<br class="">
                      <b class="">To:</b><span
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                      Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a
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                      <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                      [General] (no subject)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class="">Friends:<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class="">I
                  am of the opinion that all waves are excited states of
                  their respective mother tension field. They do not
                  even carry energy. The externally perturbing energy;
                  which disturbed the quiescent state of the tension
                  field holding all the energy; gets perpetually pushed
                  away by the mother tension field to regain its
                  original state of equilibrium (quiescence). This is at
                  the foundation of perpetual wave propagation; the
                  velocity is being determined by the intrinsic tension
                  properties of the tension field. This is built into
                  our LINEAR wave equation! Linear superposition only
                  means that within the linear domain (sum of all
                  amplitudes) in the local tension field; all waves can
                  co-propagate and cross-propagate away as per their
                  original Poynting vectors without picking up any
                  memory of their temporary co-local-propagation.<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
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              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                  style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class="">SP,
                  the Superposition Principle is a very smart
                  starting-step mathematical-logic invention by humans
                  to structure the energy exchange process with a
                  resonant detector  - as the square modulus of the
                  sum-total complex amplitudes. Then what we measure is
                  Superposition Effect SE.  This non-linear square
                  modulus physical OPERATION can be carried out only by
                  some resonant detector; not by the field themselves.
                  That is why superposed fields do not re-organize their
                  intrinsic<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                    class=""><i class="">energy</i></b>; they still are
                  propagating as various excited AMPLITUDE states of the
                  tension field. Within the tension field, which still
                  holds all the tension energies, they still remain
                  dedicated to individual waves. That is why finite size
                  waves, when emerge out of each other, do not have any
                  memory of their earlier encounter.</span><span
                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>This what I have
                been describing as Non-Interaction of Waves (NIW).<o:p
                  class=""></o:p></div>
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                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
                  class=""> </o:p></div>
              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b
                  class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                      color: windowtext;" class="">SE is an observable
                      phenomenon of nature; SP is not.</span></i></b><span
                  style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class=""><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>That is why
                  nobody is going to make quantum computers using
                  mathematical logic based upon SP only. If we want to
                  build something physical; we better build that logic
                  based upon measurable SE. God is not going to change
                  its operating rules just because we have already
                  invested hundreds of millions of dollars to make
                  quantum computers based upon non-observable logics of
                  SP (single photon interference) over the past several
                  decades. Neither can photon have mass; just like we do
                  not assign mass to undulation surface tension field
                  (water waves). Yes, water itself does have inertia to
                  motion (“mass”).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class="">Chandra.<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                        underline;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a>]<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                        class="">On Behalf Of<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wolfgang
                      Baer<br class="">
                      <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                      January 25, 2016 2:44 PM<br class="">
                      <b class="">To:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
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                        class="">
                      <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                      [General] (no subject)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
                  class=""> </o:p></div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
                font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Does
                this not all start with the E=mc^2 energy mass
                equivalence postulate?<br class="">
                A moving photon has energy therefore mass , if the wave
                is confined to a circular path the mass could be
                considered stationary<br class="">
                The equations can all be manipulated to come up with
                various quantities and interpretations.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                What to me is problematic is the centrifugal forces.
                What balances the tremendous outward pull?<br class="">
                An electron only has charge that repels, and now
                centrifugal forces, what holds it all together?<br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                Wolf<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
              <pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
              <pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Research Director<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
              <pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
              <pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
              <pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">E-mail <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
              <div class="">
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                  font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On
                  1/25/2016 8:33 AM, Albrecht Giese wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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              <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"
                class="">
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
                  font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
                  serif;">Dear Richard,<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  you know that I object to your derivation of inertial
                  mass. You deduce it from momentum. That is
                  mathematically possible by using the known relations.
                  But it is not logical in so far as momentum depends on
                  inertia. In a world without inertia there would be no
                  momentum.<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  So we have to explain first the mechanism of inertia
                  itself, then we can derive the momentum and the
                  inertial mass.<br class="">
                  <br class="">
                  Best<br class="">
                  Albrecht<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
                <div class="">
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Am
                    24.01.2016 um 20:42 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<o:p
                      class=""></o:p></div>
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                <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"
                  class="">
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                      class="">Hello Vladimir and Chandra and all,<o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                      12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                      class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                      class="">  Yes, I definitely support the idea of
                      the ether as material space, and that all physical
                      particles are derived from this ether. This ether
                      can also be called a plenum or Cosmic Tension
                      Field.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                      12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                      class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                      12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                      class="">   I don’t however think that it is
                      necessary to explain the inertial mass of
                      particles in relation to a "coefficient of
                      inertia” or "the amount of momentum the ether
                      resists." I have shown (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia"
                        style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                        underline;" class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> )
                      by a very simple derivation that the inertial mass
                      m of an electron may be derived from the momentum
                      of the circling photon in a circulating-photon
                      model of the electron, whose circling photon has
                      momentum mc where m = Eo/c^2 = hf/c^2 ,  where Eo
                      is the rest energy 0.511 MeV of the electron and f
                      is the frequency of the circulating photon in the
                      resting electron. Secondly, in a similar way I
                      derived a linearly moving photon's inertial mass
                      to be M-inertial = hf/c^2 , where f is the
                      photon’s frequency, even though a photon has zero
                      rest mass. Thirdly, I derived the inertial mass of
                      a relativistic electron, whose momentum is p=gamma
                      mv, to be  M-inertial = gamma m , even though the
                      moving electron's rest mass is m.  <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                      12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                      class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                      12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                      class="">   I present these  derivations below,
                      taken from the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://academia.edu/" style="color:
                        purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">academia.edu</a> session
                      on my electron inertia article at <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link"
                        style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                        underline;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link">https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link</a></a> :<o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                      12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                      class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                      12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                      class=""><span class="js-non-expanded-comment"><span
                          style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
                          Georgia, serif; color: rgb(73, 72, 72);"
                          class="">"One reason people don’t think that a
                          photon has any inertial mass (because it has
                          no rest mass) is that how do you get a photon
                          to change its momentum (i.e. accelerate) in
                          order to measure its inertial mass. It can’t
                          go faster or slower than c in a vacuum, so it
                          can’t accelerate in a linear direction, and in
                          normal physics a photon doesn’t follow a
                          curved path (except with gravity), which would
                          make it possible to measure its centripetal
                          acceleration c^2/R . But as I showed in my
                          short el</span></span><span
                        class="js-expanded-comment"><span
                          style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
                          Georgia, serif; color: rgb(73, 72, 72);"
                          class="">ectron inertia article at<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_%20%20th%0A%20e_Elect%0A%0Arons_Inertia"
                            style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                            underline;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a></a><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>, the
                          electron model in a resting electron has the
                          photon going in a circle, with momentum mc and
                          speed c, and the electron's inertial mass is
                          then calculated to be M-inertial
                          =(dp/dt)/Acentrifugal =wmc/(c^2/r)= m which is
                          the inertial mass of the electron. But this
                          calculation of the circling charged photon's
                          inertial mass is independent of the radius of
                          the charged photon’s circular orbit. Let that
                          circular radius go towards infinity and you
                          get a photon traveling in essentially a
                          straight line, still having its inertial mass
                          M =hf/c^2 (where the photon frequency f
                          decreases as the radius of the circle
                          increases) . So according to this logic, a
                          linearly moving photon DOES have inertial mass
                          M-inertial =hf/c^2 even though a photon has
                          zero rest mass. And when a relativistic
                          electron with momentum p=gamma mv travels in a
                          circle with speed v, the inertial mass calcul
                          ation ab ove gives M -in ertial = gamma m for
                          a circling relativistic electron, and not just
                          m the electron’s rest mass . Extending the
                          radius here towards infinity also gives a
                          linearly moving electron an inertial mass M =
                          gamma m and not just the electron's rest mass
                          m."</span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                      12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                      class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment"><span
                          style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica,
                          sans-serif;" class="">      As far as I know
                          these are all original derivations of the
                          inertial mass of a resting electron, a photon
                          and a relativistic electron based on a
                          circulating photon model of an electron. I
                          would be pleased to be shown otherwise.</span></span><o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                      12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                      class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment"><span
                          style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica,
                          sans-serif;" class="">  Richard</span></span><o:p
                        class=""></o:p></div>
                  </div>
                  <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
                    font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
                      class=""> </o:p></div>
                  <div class="">
                    <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
                      5pt;" class="">
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                          12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                          class="">On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:42 AM,
                          Roychoudhuri, Chandra <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu"
                            style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                            underline;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu">chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</a></a>>
                          wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      </div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
                        class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                      <div class="">
                        <div class="">
                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                            font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                            Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Yes,
                              Vlad, that is also my viewpoint.</span><o:p
                              class=""></o:p></div>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">
                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                            font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                            Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">I do not
                              remember whether I have attached this
                              paper while communicating with you
                              earlier. I call the “plenum” Cosmic
                              Tension Field (CTF), to be descriptive in
                              its essential properties.</span><o:p
                              class=""></o:p></div>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">
                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                            font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                            Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Chandra.</span><o:p
                              class=""></o:p></div>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">
                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                            font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                            Roman', serif;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                              Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
                              125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                                    Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"><span
                                    style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                                    Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span><span
                                  style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                                  Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">General
                                  [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                    style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;"
                                    class="">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                    class="">On Behalf Of<span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Vladimir
                                  Tamari<br class="">
                                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday,
                                  January 23, 2016 7:00 PM<br class="">
                                  <b class="">To:</b><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature
                                  of Light and Particles - General
                                  Discussion<br class="">
                                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                  [General] (no subject)</span><o:p
                                  class=""></o:p></div>
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                        <div class="">
                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                            font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                            Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                              Roman', serif;" class="">Hi Richard <o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
                          </div>
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                        <div class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                              Roman', serif;" class="">I barge into your
                              discussion without knowing your views on a
                              "plenum field" but if it is an ether I
                              definitely think there is one. A
                              "coefficent of inertia" might be defined
                              as the amount of momentum the ether
                              resists. In a charged or gravitational
                              field this coefficent would increase...I
                              think of this in terms of my Beautiful
                              Universe ether of dielectric nodes, except
                              this may give the wrong idea it is
                              something matter wades in.. not so. Matter
                              and ether are made if the selfsame nodes
                              of energy!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                            On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Richard
                            Gauthier <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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                                  don’t remember asking that. But if I
                                  did, I’m glad the question was
                                  helpful.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                  thinking about inertia these days. Do
                                  you or others have any insights about
                                  its nature?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                      at 1:43 PM, Hodge John <<a
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                                              class="">Richard Gauthier:</span><o:p
                                              class=""></o:p></div>
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                                            class=""><span
                                              style="font-family:
                                              Helvetica, sans-serif;"
                                              class="">You asked if the
                                              galaxy redshift, Pioneer
                                              anomaly, Pound--Rebka
                                              experiment model had a
                                              velocity term. I looked at
                                              redshift data for 1 galaxy
                                              and found no indication of
                                              a velocity term.</span><o:p
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                                              style="font-family:
                                              Helvetica, sans-serif;"
                                              class="">I had not noticed
                                              this in the equations.
                                              Your suggestion that the
                                              plenum field can look like
                                              the Higgs field seems
                                              valid. That is, the
                                              acceleration of the plenum
                                              field looks like it adds
                                              energy (mass) is a Higgs
                                              Field characteristic.
                                              Thus, the plenum is closer
                                              to the idea of a quantum
                                              field and Higgs field
                                              (weak force).</span><o:p
                                              class=""></o:p></div>
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                                              class="">Thanks for the
                                              insight.</span><o:p
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