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Hi Richard,<br>
<br>
here again my objection. You use "momentum" without explaining it
physically. That sounds to me not like physics, more like religion.
(Unfortunately we are used to hear arguments like this since QM was
developed.)<br>
<br>
Which "force" is inertia? In my view this force is the strong force.
And with this assumption all inertia related phenomena can be
explained as there are mass and momentum.<br>
<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.01.2016 um 03:12 schrieb Richard
Gauthier:<br>
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<div class="">Chandra and all,</div>
<div class=""> I think it has been historically misleading to
define inertia as a “resistance” to acceleration. There is no
known innate force or mechanism of resistance to acceleration
(although Isaac Newton originally defined inertia as being
caused by some kind of ‘innate force’. Conservation of momentum
may be the best explanation for inertia. The more momentum
something has, the larger the force required to accelerate it.
Why momentum is conserved is a deeper topic. If you google
“difference between inertia and momentum” you’ll find a lot of
confusion between inertia and momentum, probably because the
concepts seem closely related.</div>
<div class=""> According to the Wikipedia article : “inertia”</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class=""><span style="color: rgb(37, 37, 37); font-family:
sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> In fact,
Newton originally viewed the phenomenon he described in his
First Law of Motion as being caused by "innate forces"
inherent in matter, which resisted any acceleration. Given
this perspective, and borrowing from Kepler, Newton actually
attributed the term "inertia" to mean "the innate force
possessed by an object which resists changes in motion"; thus
Newton defined "inertia" to mean the cause of the phenomenon,
rather than the phenomenon itself. However, Newton's original
ideas of "innate resistive force" were ultimately problematic
for a variety of reasons, and thus most physicists no longer
think in these terms. As no alternate mechanism has been
readily accepted, and it is now generally accepted that there
may not be one which we can know, the term "inertia" has come
to mean simply the phenomenon itself, rather than any inherent
mechanism. Thus, ultimately, "inertia" in modern classical
physics has come to be a name for the same phenomenon
described by Newton's First Law of Motion, and the two
concepts are now considered to be equivalent.</span></div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<br class="">
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<div class="">On Jan 25, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Roychoudhuri,
Chandra <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu" class="">chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</a>>
wrote:</div>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Chip:
My conjecture is this: what we call “mass”
(m=E/c-squared) is the inertial behavior of the
self-loped oscillations that we identify as particles.
And the quantitative “inertial property” is directly
proportional to the energy content, E, of the
self-looped oscillation of the CTF. The inertia, of
course, is its resistance to move through the CTF. We
need new potential gradients in the CTF around
interacting particles for them to experience “Falling
into” or “be repelled by”.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Chandra.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color:
windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a
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style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chip
Akins<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
January 25, 2016 5:44 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Nature of
Light and Particles - General Discussion'<br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[General] (no subject)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hi All<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I am
looking for any thoughts or insight regarding the masses
of the particles. Specifically the electron, muon,
proton neutron, and tau.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Recently
I have been searching for a physical explanation of why
the following 4<sup class="">th</sup><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>order polynomial
predicts these masses (Energies).<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">E =
2.16215091940284E-11n<sup class="">4</sup><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-
2.57974739967757E-10n<sup class="">3</sup><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>+
1.06568810515144E-09n<sup class="">2</sup><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>-
1.69871730871029E-09n + 8.69464305369825E-10<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Chip<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b
class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a
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href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roychoudhuri,
Chandra<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
January 25, 2016 3:09 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of
Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a
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class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[General] (no subject)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class="">Friends:<span
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class="">I
am of the opinion that all waves are excited states of
their respective mother tension field. They do not
even carry energy. The externally perturbing energy;
which disturbed the quiescent state of the tension
field holding all the energy; gets perpetually pushed
away by the mother tension field to regain its
original state of equilibrium (quiescence). This is at
the foundation of perpetual wave propagation; the
velocity is being determined by the intrinsic tension
properties of the tension field. This is built into
our LINEAR wave equation! Linear superposition only
means that within the linear domain (sum of all
amplitudes) in the local tension field; all waves can
co-propagate and cross-propagate away as per their
original Poynting vectors without picking up any
memory of their temporary co-local-propagation.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class="">SP,
the Superposition Principle is a very smart
starting-step mathematical-logic invention by humans
to structure the energy exchange process with a
resonant detector - as the square modulus of the
sum-total complex amplitudes. Then what we measure is
Superposition Effect SE. This non-linear square
modulus physical OPERATION can be carried out only by
some resonant detector; not by the field themselves.
That is why superposed fields do not re-organize their
intrinsic<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">energy</i></b>; they still are
propagating as various excited AMPLITUDE states of the
tension field. Within the tension field, which still
holds all the tension energies, they still remain
dedicated to individual waves. That is why finite size
waves, when emerge out of each other, do not have any
memory of their earlier encounter.</span><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>This what I have
been describing as Non-Interaction of Waves (NIW).<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b
class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
color: windowtext;" class="">SE is an observable
phenomenon of nature; SP is not.</span></i></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>That is why
nobody is going to make quantum computers using
mathematical logic based upon SP only. If we want to
build something physical; we better build that logic
based upon measurable SE. God is not going to change
its operating rules just because we have already
invested hundreds of millions of dollars to make
quantum computers based upon non-observable logics of
SP (single photon interference) over the past several
decades. Neither can photon have mass; just like we do
not assign mass to undulation surface tension field
(water waves). Yes, water itself does have inertia to
motion (“mass”).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: windowtext;" class="">Chandra.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b
class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color:
windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a
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style="color: purple; text-decoration:
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wolfgang
Baer<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
January 25, 2016 2:44 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
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class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[General] (no subject)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> </o:p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Does
this not all start with the E=mc^2 energy mass
equivalence postulate?<br class="">
A moving photon has energy therefore mass , if the wave
is confined to a circular path the mass could be
considered stationary<br class="">
The equations can all be manipulated to come up with
various quantities and interpretations.<br class="">
<br class="">
What to me is problematic is the centrifugal forces.
What balances the tremendous outward pull?<br class="">
An electron only has charge that repels, and now
centrifugal forces, what holds it all together?<br
class="">
<br class="">
Wolf<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Research Director<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">E-mail <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></pre>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On
1/25/2016 8:33 AM, Albrecht Giese wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"
class="">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;">Dear Richard,<br class="">
<br class="">
you know that I object to your derivation of inertial
mass. You deduce it from momentum. That is
mathematically possible by using the known relations.
But it is not logical in so far as momentum depends on
inertia. In a world without inertia there would be no
momentum.<br class="">
<br class="">
So we have to explain first the mechanism of inertia
itself, then we can derive the momentum and the
inertial mass.<br class="">
<br class="">
Best<br class="">
Albrecht<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Am
24.01.2016 um 20:42 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"
class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class="">Hello Vladimir and Chandra and all,<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""> Yes, I definitely support the idea of
the ether as material space, and that all physical
particles are derived from this ether. This ether
can also be called a plenum or Cosmic Tension
Field.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""> I don’t however think that it is
necessary to explain the inertial mass of
particles in relation to a "coefficient of
inertia” or "the amount of momentum the ether
resists." I have shown (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> )
by a very simple derivation that the inertial mass
m of an electron may be derived from the momentum
of the circling photon in a circulating-photon
model of the electron, whose circling photon has
momentum mc where m = Eo/c^2 = hf/c^2 , where Eo
is the rest energy 0.511 MeV of the electron and f
is the frequency of the circulating photon in the
resting electron. Secondly, in a similar way I
derived a linearly moving photon's inertial mass
to be M-inertial = hf/c^2 , where f is the
photon’s frequency, even though a photon has zero
rest mass. Thirdly, I derived the inertial mass of
a relativistic electron, whose momentum is p=gamma
mv, to be M-inertial = gamma m , even though the
moving electron's rest mass is m. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""> I present these derivations below,
taken from the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://academia.edu/" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">academia.edu</a> session
on my electron inertia article at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link">https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link</a></a> :<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"
class=""><span class="js-non-expanded-comment"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Georgia, serif; color: rgb(73, 72, 72);"
class="">"One reason people don’t think that a
photon has any inertial mass (because it has
no rest mass) is that how do you get a photon
to change its momentum (i.e. accelerate) in
order to measure its inertial mass. It can’t
go faster or slower than c in a vacuum, so it
can’t accelerate in a linear direction, and in
normal physics a photon doesn’t follow a
curved path (except with gravity), which would
make it possible to measure its centripetal
acceleration c^2/R . But as I showed in my
short el</span></span><span
class="js-expanded-comment"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
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class="">ectron inertia article at<a
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href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_%20%20th%0A%20e_Elect%0A%0Arons_Inertia"
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>, the
electron model in a resting electron has the
photon going in a circle, with momentum mc and
speed c, and the electron's inertial mass is
then calculated to be M-inertial
=(dp/dt)/Acentrifugal =wmc/(c^2/r)= m which is
the inertial mass of the electron. But this
calculation of the circling charged photon's
inertial mass is independent of the radius of
the charged photon’s circular orbit. Let that
circular radius go towards infinity and you
get a photon traveling in essentially a
straight line, still having its inertial mass
M =hf/c^2 (where the photon frequency f
decreases as the radius of the circle
increases) . So according to this logic, a
linearly moving photon DOES have inertial mass
M-inertial =hf/c^2 even though a photon has
zero rest mass. And when a relativistic
electron with momentum p=gamma mv travels in a
circle with speed v, the inertial mass calcul
ation ab ove gives M -in ertial = gamma m for
a circling relativistic electron, and not just
m the electron’s rest mass . Extending the
radius here towards infinity also gives a
linearly moving electron an inertial mass M =
gamma m and not just the electron's rest mass
m."</span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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these are all original derivations of the
inertial mass of a resting electron, a photon
and a relativistic electron based on a
circulating photon model of an electron. I
would be pleased to be shown otherwise.</span></span><o:p
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Roychoudhuri, Chandra <<a
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style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Yes,
Vlad, that is also my viewpoint.</span><o:p
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">I do not
remember whether I have attached this
paper while communicating with you
earlier. I call the “plenum” Cosmic
Tension Field (CTF), to be descriptive in
its essential properties.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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Roman', serif;" class="">I barge into your
discussion without knowing your views on a
"plenum field" but if it is an ether I
definitely think there is one. A
"coefficent of inertia" might be defined
as the amount of momentum the ether
resists. In a charged or gravitational
field this coefficent would increase...I
think of this in terms of my Beautiful
Universe ether of dielectric nodes, except
this may give the wrong idea it is
something matter wades in.. not so. Matter
and ether are made if the selfsame nodes
of energy!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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don’t remember asking that. But if I
did, I’m glad the question was
helpful.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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thinking about inertia these days. Do
you or others have any insights about
its nature?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
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class="">You asked if the
galaxy redshift, Pioneer
anomaly, Pound--Rebka
experiment model had a
velocity term. I looked at
redshift data for 1 galaxy
and found no indication of
a velocity term.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""><span
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class="">I had not noticed
this in the equations.
Your suggestion that the
plenum field can look like
the Higgs field seems
valid. That is, the
acceleration of the plenum
field looks like it adds
energy (mass) is a Higgs
Field characteristic.
Thus, the plenum is closer
to the idea of a quantum
field and Higgs field
(weak force).</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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insight.</span><o:p
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