<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> You want to explain inertia and therefore momentum (in your view) by the strong force. But what is your “mechanism” or explanation for the strong force? You have not explained or even tried to explain the strong force so you are actually doing what you are accusing me of doing — not explaining what momentum is or what is its “mechanism”. But I’m not trying to explain momentum, I’m trying to explain inertial mass or inertia in terms of momentum. If inertia can be explained in terms of momentum, I would say that is progress. If this leads to a greater insights into why inertial mass equals gravitational mass (if it does), that would be further progress. Scientific progress occurs in steps, it’s not all or nothing.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Newton’s F=ma is actually a tautological or circular relationship. A force F does not CAUSE acceleration. Acceleration is observed and measured. “Force" is DEFINED as ma, never observed. Or m is DEFINED as F/a. “Mass" is also never observed. Physical objects are hypothesized, observed, measured or inferred. None of Newton’s laws have ever been experimentally proved, at least according to MIT physics lecturer Walter Lewin (introduction to mechanics). You can’t prove or disprove a definition. F=ma is a circular relationship that works within certain limits without knowing what either force or mass is fundamentally.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> The cause of the inertia of the electron is considered to be one of the deepest mysteries of physics. Frank Wilczek in his article “The origin of mass” at <a href="http://web.mit.edu/physics/news/physicsatmit/physicsatmit_03_wilczek_originofmass.pdf" class="">http://web.mit.edu/physics/news/physicsatmit/physicsatmit_03_wilczek_originofmass.pdf</a> concludes: </div><div class="">
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<div class="column"><p class=""><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'Granjon'" class="">"Still, as I’ve already mentioned, our understanding of the origin of mass is by
no means complete. We have achieved a beautiful and profound understanding
of the origin of </span><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'Granjon'; font-style: italic" class="">most </span><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'Granjon'" class="">of the mass of ordinary matter, but not of </span><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'Granjon'; font-style: italic" class="">all </span><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'Granjon'" class="">of it. The value
of the electron mass, in particular, remains deeply mysterious even in our most advanced
speculations about unification and string theory. And ordinary matter, we have recently
learned, supplies only a small fraction of mass in the Universe as a whole. More
beautiful and profound revelations surely await discovery. We continue to search
for concepts and theories that will allow us to understand the origin of mass in all
its forms, by unveiling more of Nature’s hidden symmetries." </span></p>
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</div></div><div class="">And Wilczek is talking about the origin of the magnitude of the electron’s mass, not the cause of the electron’s inertia.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> I am not claiming, as you do, to derive the electron’s mass m = 0.511 MeV/c^2 in a circular way from the Bohr magneton ehbar/2m which isn’t even the electron’s experimental magnetic moment, only an approximation calculated from the known measured values of e, h and m. But it is not tautological or circular to derive the electron’s inertial mass m = 0.511Mev/c^2 from a circulating photon model of an electron where this circulating photon has (for no known reason) energy hf = 0.511MeV and momentum p = 0.511MeV/c . After all, a photon’s rest mass (0 Mev/c^2) is not the same as a photon’s inertial mass (hf/c^2). And the rest mass m of a moving electron is not the same as the inertial mass gamma m of this moving electron. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As far as what you say about the Higgs mechanism and inertia, here’s an interesting quote from Bernhard Haisch in <a href="http://www.calphysics.org/articles/newscientist.html" class="">http://www.calphysics.org/articles/newscientist.html</a> . Haisch and his colleagues have been studying inertia and its possible explanation for years: <span style="font-family: verdana; font-size: small; text-align: justify; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">"But the Higgs mechanism does not explain why mass, or its energy equivalent, resists motion or reacts to gravity," says Bernard Haisch of the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics in Palo Alto. He believes instead that inertia and gravity are manifestations of far more familiar effects. </span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So the Higgs field, while it may “explain” why some particles have rest mass and others don't, apparently doesn’t explain the inertia of mass. So your explanation of inertia is apparently not in competition with the Higgs mechanism of mass. But I would say that your explanation of inertial mass in terms of the strong nuclear force IS in competition with the derivation of inertial mass from momentum. And Occam’s razor and physical facts do apply.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One more comment. Momentum is a vector quantity, with both magnitude and direction. Inertial mass is a scalar quantity, with magnitude only. So Inertia cannot be the same as momentum unless inertia is also a vector quantity, having direction as well as magnitude. Perhaps inertia IS a vector quantity after all, subject to vector addition (and cancellation). That would be interesting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Richard</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 27, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Albrecht Giese <<a href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" class="">genmail@a-giese.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Hello Richard,<br class="">
<br class="">
there is not necessarily a hierarchy between mass and momentum. But
the origin of all is the resistance against a change of the motion
state. That resistance is called inertia. And this resistance causes
momentum as well as mass. <br class="">
<br class="">
If you understand the momentum as on the top of the hierarchy, you
have to explain which mechanism causes momentum. There must be one.
What is it?<br class="">
<br class="">
My explanation of inertia is the only working one which I know. And
which of course is not a tautological explanation. The other
explanation followed by main stream is the Higgs model. That is
derived from QM, and that is something which I personally do not
like very much. But the strong argument against the Higgs model is
the fact that the necessary Higgs field does not exist as far as we
know. And again, I have never heard about another model of inertial
which is not tautological. <br class="">
<br class="">
My model for leptons and for quarks has to function as it does,
under the assumption that inertia has to be explained. And we may
not ask for Occam's Razor if there is no alternative. I do not see
any. <br class="">
<br class="">
My model explains the photon in a fundamentally similar way as a
lepton and a quark. But for the photon something has to be added to
explain its constant speed, i.e. the fact that it cannot be found at
rest. And the fact of twice the spin. This letter point seems to me
not too serious. <br class="">
<br class="">
The relativistic increase of the particle mass at motion (not only
the electron, but all) is easily and straight explained by the
model. Take the calculation of the inertial mass and adjust the
distance of the sub-particles for the relativistic contraction. Then
the straight result is the new mass increased by the factor gamma.
Your find it in my web site about "origin of mass". And the relation
energy to mass: E=mc^2 follows immediately from the same
calculation. Who else has ever deduced the famous formula of
Einstein? I do not know any else deduction which refers to a
physical mechanism. <br class="">
<br class="">
Strong force? In the 1940s calculations of the electron have been
made in Germany which were based on the assumption that there are
only electrical forces in the particle. The resulting mass turned
out to be too low by a factor of ca. 300. This is about the factor
by which the strong force is stronger than the electrical one. So
there is no surprise that with the assumption of the strong force
the results are correct. I think this is a good argument. Isn't it?<br class="">
<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.01.2016 um 01:50 schrieb Richard
Gauthier:<br class="">
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Hello Albrecht,
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<div class=""> I know that you object to my derivation, but I
am proposing that momentum is primary and inertia is
secondary. You have got it backwards. The inertial mass of an
electron is (in my approach) quantitatively due to the
circulating internal momentum of its charged (or uncharged)
photon. By extension, the inertial mass of all particles with
rest mass is likely due to internally circulating momenta. It
is true as you say that in a world without inertia (or
inertial mass) there would be no momentum, but in a world
without momentum there would also be no inertia (or inertial
mass). Inertia (or inertial mass) is due to momentum (in my
approach). Momentum is not due to inertia. </div>
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<div class=""> I know that your electron hypothesis attempts to
derive the inertia of an electron differently. But I think you
will have to admit that my derivation of the electron’s
inertial mass from the electron’s proposed circulating
internal photon momentum is very much simpler than yours
(which is by the way based on highly questionable premises
since there is no accepted experimental evidence for the
strong nuclear force influencing electric charges, zero
experimental evidence for two sub-particles in an electron,
and your electron model’s apparently negative rest mass due to
its negative internal potential energy), and thus by Occam's
Razor, much to be preferred. Plus, your model doesn’t derive
the inertial mass of a photon as hf/c^2 or the inertial mass
of a relativistically moving electron as gamma m, does it?</div>
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<div class=""> Richard</div>
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<div class="">On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Albrecht Giese
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" class="">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>
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Richard,<br class="">
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you know that I object to your derivation of inertial
mass. You deduce it from momentum. That is
mathematically possible by using the known relations.
But it is not logical in so far as momentum depends on
inertia. In a world without inertia there would be no
momentum.<br class="">
<br class="">
So we have to explain first the mechanism of inertia
itself, then we can derive the momentum and the
inertial mass.<br class="">
<br class="">
Best<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.01.2016 um 20:42
schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br class="">
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<div class="">Hello Vladimir and Chandra and all,</div>
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<div class=""> Yes, I definitely support the idea
of the ether as material space, and that all
physical particles are derived from this ether.
This ether can also be called a plenum or Cosmic
Tension Field.</div>
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</div>
<div class=""> I don’t however think that it is
necessary to explain the inertial mass of
particles in relation to a "coefficient of
inertia” or "the amount of momentum the ether
resists." I have shown (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia" class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> )
by a very simple derivation that the inertial mass
m of an electron may be derived from the momentum
of the circling photon in a circulating-photon
model of the electron, whose circling photon has
momentum mc where m = Eo/c^2 = hf/c^2 , where Eo
is the rest energy 0.511 MeV of the electron and f
is the frequency of the circulating photon in the
resting electron. Secondly, in a similar way I
derived a linearly moving photon's inertial mass
to be M-inertial = hf/c^2 , where f is the
photon’s frequency, even though a photon has zero
rest mass. Thirdly, I derived the inertial mass of
a relativistic electron, whose momentum is p=gamma
mv, to be M-inertial = gamma m , even though the
moving electron's rest mass is m. </div>
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<div class=""> I present these derivations below,
taken from the <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://academia.edu/" class="">academia.edu</a> session
on my electron inertia article at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link">https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link</a> :</div>
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</div>
<div class=""><span class="js-non-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">"One reason people don’t think that a photon has any inertial mass (because it has no rest mass) is that how do you get a photon to change its momentum (i.e. accelerate) in order to measure its inertial mass. It can’t go faster or slower than c in a vacuum, so it can’t accelerate in a linear direction, and in normal physics a photon doesn’t follow a curved path (except with gravity), which would make it possible to measure its centripetal acceleration c^2/R . But as I showed in my short el</span><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">ectron inertia article at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Elect%0Arons_Inertia" class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> , the electron model in a resting electron has the photon going in a circle, with momentum mc and speed c, and the electron's inertial mass is then calculated to be M-inertial =(dp/dt)/Acentrifugal =wmc/(c^2/r)= m which is the inertial mass of the electron. But this calculation of the circling charged photon's inertial mass is independent of the radius of the charged photon’s circular orbit. Let that circular radius go towards infinity and you get a photon traveling in essentially a straight line, still having its inertial mass M =hf/c^2 (where the photon frequency f decreases as the radius of the circle increases) . So according to this logic, a linearly moving photon DOES have inertial mass M-inertial =hf/c^2 even though a photon has zero rest mass. And when a relativistic electron with momentum p=gamma mv travels in a circle with speed v, the inertial mass calculation
above gives M
-in
ertial = gamma m for a circling relativistic electron, and not just m the electron’s rest mass . Extending the radius here towards infinity also gives a linearly moving electron an inertial mass M = gamma m and not just the electron's rest mass m."</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; white-space: normal;" class=""> As far as I know these are all original derivations of the inertial mass of a resting electron, a photon and a relativistic electron based on a circulating photon model of an electron. I would be pleased to be shown otherwise.</span></span></div>
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<div class="">On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:42 AM,
Roychoudhuri, Chandra <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu">chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</a>>
wrote:</div>
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Vlad, that is also my viewpoint.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">I do
not remember whether I have attached
this paper while communicating with you
earlier. I call the “plenum” Cosmic
Tension Field (CTF), to be descriptive
in its essential properties.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General
[<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Vladimir
Tamari<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday,
January 23, 2016 7:00 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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Roman', serif;" class="">I barge into
your discussion without knowing your
views on a "plenum field" but if it is
an ether I definitely think there is
one. A "coefficent of inertia" might be
defined as the amount of momentum the
ether resists. In a charged or
gravitational field this coefficent
would increase...I think of this in
terms of my Beautiful Universe ether of
dielectric nodes, except this may give
the wrong idea it is something matter
wades in.. not so. Matter and ether are
made if the selfsame nodes of energy!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Richard
Gauthier <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>>
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Hodge,<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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don’t remember asking that. But if I
did, I’m glad the question was
helpful.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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thinking about inertia these days.
Do you or others have any insights
about its nature?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Richard<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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serif;" class="">On Jan 20,
2016, at 1:43 PM, Hodge John
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jchodge@frontier.com" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="">jchodge@frontier.com</a>>
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Gauthier:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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the galaxy redshift,
Pioneer anomaly,
Pound--Rebka experiment
model had a velocity
term. I looked at
redshift data for 1
galaxy and found no
indication of a velocity
term.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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noticed this in the
equations. Your
suggestion that the
plenum field can look
like the Higgs field
seems valid. That is,
the acceleration of the
plenum field looks like
it adds energy (mass) is
a Higgs Field
characteristic. Thus,
the plenum is closer to
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