<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div><div class=""> Replying your last comment first: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">To your last comment: Momentum is the product of inertial mass and speed, as you surely know. Mass is scalar, that is right, but speed is a vector and so it is unavoidable that the product, called momentum, is a vector. But just from this definition of momentum it is visible that momentum is not fundamental but a combination of two other units. Isn't it?</div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just because momentum is measured in units of mass x velocity = mass x distance/time does not mean that momentum is not a fundamental physical quantity, perhaps more fundamental than mass or distance or time. The international kilogram standard for mass is a chunk of platinum-iridium metal enclosed in a double glass container in Paris. That hardly indicates that mass is more fundamental than momentum, does it? By the way, the units of energy are mass x distance^2/ time^2 . Does this mean that energy is also less fundamental than mass or distance or time? You need to distinguish between physical quantities like momentum and units of measurement like mass.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As for your explanation that the ‘inertia’ of an object is due to an object being “extended” and therefore that since extended objects have inertia, the inertia problem is solved. This type of explanation is just too “cheap” to be believable. It is circular reasoning of the crudest type, and I would personally be ashamed if I continually claimed this defective explanation of inertia for almost 20 years. If no one has previously pointed out this defective logic to you in nearly 20 years of your advocating it, so much the worse. Rather, I would be pleased to have my defective logic pointed out to me, the sooner the better. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Furthermore, you claim that inertia and momentum are basically the same thing (there may be some truth to this, as my article on the electron’s inertia suggests). But you say that the two circulating particles in your 2-particle model of the electron neither individually contain mass, momentum, nor energy, yet you claim that this composite model of the electron has inertia. Unbelievable!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Richard </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 30, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Albrecht Giese <<a href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" class="">genmail@a-giese.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Hello Richard,<br class="">
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yes, we have to assume fundamentals in physics, and which those are,
may be different for different physicists. In my view, forces are
fundamental phenomena where I do not see an explanation on a lower
level, at least at present. I follow QM at this point in so far, as
forces are realized by exchange particles which are mass-less, move
with c and have a distance law of 1/r^2. .<br class="">
<br class="">
Momentum and inertia are in my view the same phenomenon. Someone
said it earlier in this discussion: Momentum is the motion of an
inertial mass. So, to explain inertial mass by momentum or momentum
by inertia as general explanation are in my view tautological
statements. There is something explained essentially by itself,
nothing new about it.<br class="">
<br class="">
Inertia is caused in my view (I think explained here several times)
by a very fundamental process. Every extended object must have
inertia. This is caused by nothing than the finiteness of the speed
of light by which the internal forces in an object propagate. And
without internal forces an extended object cannot exist. This is
true for any type of force, so in our world the strong force and the
electric force. In an elementary particle the strong force
dominates, so I have restricted my explanation mostly to the strong
force. To be precise, the electric force must not be overlooked. In
my model the consideration of the electric force in the electron
causes the Landé factor (very precisely!)<br class="">
<br class="">
So, the fact that an extended object behaves inert, is not a
possibility or some special theory, but it is completely unavoidable
that an extended object is inert.<br class="">
<br class="">
Only because you mention it: In my model there does not exist a
gravitational mass because gravity has nothing to do with mass. But
this is another topic. If you are interested you can find it
explained on my web site "origin of gravity" (which is the no. 1 in
the internet about this topic since 12 years).<br class="">
<br class="">
About Newton's law: As I have understood, Newton has defined mass as
F/a. 'F' is in his view an elementary quantity visible e.g. by
stretching a spring. 'a' is defined by length and time, both are
also elementaries for him in the way that length is given by a
prototype ruler and time by some sufficiently defined oscillators
like a pendulum. We have better definitions now using means of
higher precision, but that does not change the idea behind.<br class="">
<br class="">
One can of course have a lot of cognition-related thoughts about the
understanding of these quantities, but that seems to me to be beyond
the level which we need here.<br class="">
<br class="">
One famous American physicist ones wrote: Mass is a great mystery. I
know that many understand it this way. But I am very sure that my
finding that every extended object has inertial mass solves this
"mystery" completely. It is my intention to convince my colleagues
about this since more than 15 year on conferences and by the
internet. And I have never got a refuting argument. Most main stream
physicists refer to Higgs and say that one does not need another
explanation. But never something more substantial.<br class="">
<br class="">
My model of inertia is in some way similar to the Higgs mechanism.
According to the Higgs theory there are virtual particles
intermediately generated in the Higgs field. These virtual particles
couple to the real particle in view and keep staying at rest in the
same inertial system as the real particle. If now the real particle
is accelerated to any direction, it moves off the virtual Higgs and
that needs a force. This force is inertia. - The similarity to my
model is that in my model the role of the virtual Higgs is realized
by the other (real) sub-particle in the elementary particle. <br class="">
<br class="">
My model does not explain why there are certain masses in particles
realized and others not. Otto Greulich has found a numerical
relation for the existing particles but no explanation why it works.
In his algorithm the factor alpha plays an important role. And I
have the impression that the relation of strong force and electric
force, which is described by alpha, plays an essential role in the
question if a particle is stable. Otto is looking for a possible
mechanism, but up to now he has no solution. I also think about it,
but presently also with no success.<br class="">
<br class="">
To your last comment: Momentum is the product of inertial mass and
speed, as you surely know. Mass is scalar, that is right, but speed
is a vector and so it is unavoidable that the product, called
momentum, is a vector. But just from this definition of momentum it
is visible that momentum is not fundamental but a combination of two
other units. Isn't it?<br class="">
<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.01.2016 um 01:33 schrieb Richard
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<div class=""> You want to explain inertia and therefore
momentum (in your view) by the strong force. But what is your
“mechanism” or explanation for the strong force? You have not
explained or even tried to explain the strong force so you are
actually doing what you are accusing me of doing — not
explaining what momentum is or what is its “mechanism”. But I’m
not trying to explain momentum, I’m trying to explain inertial
mass or inertia in terms of momentum. If inertia can be
explained in terms of momentum, I would say that is progress. If
this leads to a greater insights into why inertial mass equals
gravitational mass (if it does), that would be further progress.
Scientific progress occurs in steps, it’s not all or nothing.</div>
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<div class=""> Newton’s F=ma is actually a tautological or
circular relationship. A force F does not CAUSE acceleration.
Acceleration is observed and measured. “Force" is DEFINED as ma,
never observed. Or m is DEFINED as F/a. “Mass" is also never
observed. Physical objects are hypothesized, observed, measured
or inferred. None of Newton’s laws have ever been experimentally
proved, at least according to MIT physics lecturer Walter Lewin
(introduction to mechanics). You can’t prove or disprove a
definition. F=ma is a circular relationship that works within
certain limits without knowing what either force or mass is
fundamentally.</div>
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<div class=""> The cause of the inertia of the electron is
considered to be one of the deepest mysteries of physics. Frank
Wilczek in his article “The origin of mass” at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://web.mit.edu/physics/news/physicsatmit/physicsatmit_03_wilczek_originofmass.pdf" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://web.mit.edu/physics/news/physicsatmit/physicsatmit_03_wilczek_originofmass.pdf">http://web.mit.edu/physics/news/physicsatmit/physicsatmit_03_wilczek_originofmass.pdf</a> concludes: </div>
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font-family: 'Granjon'" class="">"Still, as I’ve
already mentioned, our understanding of the origin of
mass is by
no means complete. We have achieved a beautiful and
profound understanding
of the origin of </span><span style="font-size:
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italic" class="">most </span><span style="font-size:
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mass of ordinary matter, but not of </span><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'Granjon';
font-style: italic" class="">all </span><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'Granjon'" class="">of it. The value
of the electron mass, in particular, remains deeply
mysterious even in our most advanced
speculations about unification and string theory. And
ordinary matter, we have recently
learned, supplies only a small fraction of mass in the
Universe as a whole. More
beautiful and profound revelations surely await
discovery. We continue to search
for concepts and theories that will allow us to
understand the origin of mass in all
its forms, by unveiling more of Nature’s hidden
symmetries." </span></p>
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<div class="">And Wilczek is talking about the origin of the
magnitude of the electron’s mass, not the cause of the
electron’s inertia.</div>
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<div class=""> I am not claiming, as you do, to derive the
electron’s mass m = 0.511 MeV/c^2 in a circular way from the
Bohr magneton ehbar/2m which isn’t even the electron’s
experimental magnetic moment, only an approximation calculated
from the known measured values of e, h and m. But it is not
tautological or circular to derive the electron’s inertial mass
m = 0.511Mev/c^2 from a circulating photon model of an electron
where this circulating photon has (for no known reason) energy
hf = 0.511MeV and momentum p = 0.511MeV/c . After all, a
photon’s rest mass (0 Mev/c^2) is not the same as a photon’s
inertial mass (hf/c^2). And the rest mass m of a moving electron
is not the same as the inertial mass gamma m of this moving
electron. </div>
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</div>
<div class="">As far as what you say about the Higgs mechanism and
inertia, here’s an interesting quote from Bernhard Haisch in <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.calphysics.org/articles/newscientist.html" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.calphysics.org/articles/newscientist.html">http://www.calphysics.org/articles/newscientist.html</a> .
Haisch and his colleagues have been studying inertia and its
possible explanation for years: <span style="font-family:
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">"But the Higgs
mechanism does not explain why mass, or its energy equivalent,
resists motion or reacts to gravity," says Bernard Haisch of
the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics in Palo
Alto. He believes instead that inertia and gravity are
manifestations of far more familiar effects. </span></div>
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<div class="">So the Higgs field, while it may “explain” why some
particles have rest mass and others don't, apparently doesn’t
explain the inertia of mass. So your explanation of inertia is
apparently not in competition with the Higgs mechanism of mass.
But I would say that your explanation of inertial mass in terms
of the strong nuclear force IS in competition with the
derivation of inertial mass from momentum. And Occam’s razor and
physical facts do apply.</div>
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<div class="">One more comment. Momentum is a vector quantity,
with both magnitude and direction. Inertial mass is a scalar
quantity, with magnitude only. So Inertia cannot be the same as
momentum unless inertia is also a vector quantity, having
direction as well as magnitude. Perhaps inertia IS a vector
quantity after all, subject to vector addition (and
cancellation). That would be interesting.</div>
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<div class="">Richard</div>
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Richard,<br class="">
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there is not necessarily a hierarchy between mass and
momentum. But the origin of all is the resistance against
a change of the motion state. That resistance is called
inertia. And this resistance causes momentum as well as
mass. <br class="">
<br class="">
If you understand the momentum as on the top of the
hierarchy, you have to explain which mechanism causes
momentum. There must be one. What is it?<br class="">
<br class="">
My explanation of inertia is the only working one which I
know. And which of course is not a tautological
explanation. The other explanation followed by main stream
is the Higgs model. That is derived from QM, and that is
something which I personally do not like very much. But
the strong argument against the Higgs model is the fact
that the necessary Higgs field does not exist as far as we
know. And again, I have never heard about another model of
inertial which is not tautological. <br class="">
<br class="">
My model for leptons and for quarks has to function as it
does, under the assumption that inertia has to be
explained. And we may not ask for Occam's Razor if there
is no alternative. I do not see any. <br class="">
<br class="">
My model explains the photon in a fundamentally similar
way as a lepton and a quark. But for the photon something
has to be added to explain its constant speed, i.e. the
fact that it cannot be found at rest. And the fact of
twice the spin. This letter point seems to me not too
serious. <br class="">
<br class="">
The relativistic increase of the particle mass at motion
(not only the electron, but all) is easily and straight
explained by the model. Take the calculation of the
inertial mass and adjust the distance of the sub-particles
for the relativistic contraction. Then the straight result
is the new mass increased by the factor gamma. Your find
it in my web site about "origin of mass". And the relation
energy to mass: E=mc^2 follows immediately from the same
calculation. Who else has ever deduced the famous formula
of Einstein? I do not know any else deduction which refers
to a physical mechanism. <br class="">
<br class="">
Strong force? In the 1940s calculations of the electron
have been made in Germany which were based on the
assumption that there are only electrical forces in the
particle. The resulting mass turned out to be too low by a
factor of ca. 300. This is about the factor by which the
strong force is stronger than the electrical one. So there
is no surprise that with the assumption of the strong
force the results are correct. I think this is a good
argument. Isn't it?<br class="">
<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
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Hello Albrecht,
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<div class=""> I know that you object to my
derivation, but I am proposing that momentum is
primary and inertia is secondary. You have got it
backwards. The inertial mass of an electron is (in
my approach) quantitatively due to the circulating
internal momentum of its charged (or uncharged)
photon. By extension, the inertial mass of all
particles with rest mass is likely due to internally
circulating momenta. It is true as you say that in a
world without inertia (or inertial mass) there would
be no momentum, but in a world without momentum
there would also be no inertia (or inertial mass).
Inertia (or inertial mass) is due to momentum (in my
approach). Momentum is not due to inertia. </div>
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<div class=""> I know that your electron hypothesis
attempts to derive the inertia of an electron
differently. But I think you will have to admit that
my derivation of the electron’s inertial mass from
the electron’s proposed circulating internal photon
momentum is very much simpler than yours (which is
by the way based on highly questionable premises
since there is no accepted experimental evidence for
the strong nuclear force influencing electric
charges, zero experimental evidence for two
sub-particles in an electron, and your electron
model’s apparently negative rest mass due to its
negative internal potential energy), and thus by
Occam's Razor, much to be preferred. Plus, your
model doesn’t derive the inertial mass of a photon
as hf/c^2 or the inertial mass of a relativistically
moving electron as gamma m, does it?</div>
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<div class=""> Richard</div>
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Albrecht Giese <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" class="">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>
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Dear Richard,<br class="">
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you know that I object to your derivation of
inertial mass. You deduce it from momentum.
That is mathematically possible by using the
known relations. But it is not logical in so
far as momentum depends on inertia. In a
world without inertia there would be no
momentum.<br class="">
<br class="">
So we have to explain first the mechanism of
inertia itself, then we can derive the
momentum and the inertial mass.<br class="">
<br class="">
Best<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.01.2016
um 20:42 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br class="">
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<div class="">Hello Vladimir and Chandra
and all,</div>
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<div class=""> Yes, I definitely support
the idea of the ether as material space,
and that all physical particles are
derived from this ether. This ether can
also be called a plenum or Cosmic
Tension Field.</div>
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<div class=""> I don’t however think
that it is necessary to explain the
inertial mass of particles in relation
to a "coefficient of inertia” or "the
amount of momentum the ether resists." I
have shown (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia" class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> )
by a very simple derivation that the
inertial mass m of an electron may be
derived from the momentum of the
circling photon in a circulating-photon
model of the electron, whose circling
photon has momentum mc where m = Eo/c^2
= hf/c^2 , where Eo is the rest energy
0.511 MeV of the electron and f is the
frequency of the circulating photon in
the resting electron. Secondly, in a
similar way I derived a linearly moving
photon's inertial mass to be M-inertial
= hf/c^2 , where f is the photon’s
frequency, even though a photon has zero
rest mass. Thirdly, I derived the
inertial mass of a relativistic
electron, whose momentum is p=gamma mv,
to be M-inertial = gamma m , even
though the moving electron's rest mass
is m. </div>
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<div class=""> I present these
derivations below, taken from the <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://academia.edu/" class="">academia.edu</a> session
on my electron inertia article at <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link">https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link</a> :</div>
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<div class=""><span class="js-non-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">"One reason people don’t think that a photon has any inertial mass (because it has no rest mass) is that how do you get a photon to change its momentum (i.e. accelerate) in order to measure its inertial mass. It can’t go faster or slower than c in a vacuum, so it can’t accelerate in a linear direction, and in normal physics a photon doesn’t follow a curved path (except with gravity), which would make it possible to measure its centripetal acceleration c^2/R . But as I showed in my short el</span><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">ectron inertia article at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Elect%0Arons_Inertia" class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> , the electron model in a resting electron has the photon going in a circle, with momentum mc and speed c, and the electron's inertial mass is then calculated to be M-inertial =(dp/dt)/Acentrifugal =wmc/(c^2/r)= m which is the inertial mass of the electron. But this calculation of the circling charged photon's inertial mass is independent of the radius of the charged photon’s circular orbit. Let that circular radius go towards infinity and you get a photon traveling in essentially a straight line, still having its inertial mass M =hf/c^2 (where the photon frequency f decreases as the radius of the circle increases) . So according to this logic, a linearly moving photon DOES have inertial mass M-inertial =hf/c^2 even though a photon has zero rest mass. And when a relativistic electron with momentum p=gamma mv travels in a circle with speed v, the inertial mass c
alculation
above gives M
-in
ertial = gamma m for a circling relativistic electron, and not just m the electron’s rest mass . Extending the radius here towards infinity also gives a linearly moving electron an inertial mass M = gamma m and not just the electron's rest mass m."</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; white-space: normal;" class=""> As far as I know these are all original derivations of the inertial mass of a resting electron, a photon and a relativistic electron based on a circulating photon model of an electron. I would be pleased to be shown otherwise.</span></span></div>
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AM, Roychoudhuri, Chandra <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu">chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</a>>
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whether I have attached this
paper while communicating with
you earlier. I call the
“plenum” Cosmic Tension Field
(CTF), to be descriptive in
its essential properties.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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barge into your discussion
without knowing your views on
a "plenum field" but if it is
an ether I definitely think
there is one. A "coefficent of
inertia" might be defined as
the amount of momentum the
ether resists. In a charged or
gravitational field this
coefficent would increase...I
think of this in terms of my
Beautiful Universe ether of
dielectric nodes, except this
may give the wrong idea it is
something matter wades in..
not so. Matter and ether are
made if the selfsame nodes of
energy!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:41 AM,
Richard Gauthier <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>>
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I don’t remember asking
that. But if I did, I’m
glad the question was
helpful.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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I’m thinking about
inertia these days. Do you
or others have any
insights about its nature?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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sans-serif;" class="">You
asked if the
galaxy
redshift,
Pioneer
anomaly,
Pound--Rebka
experiment
model had a
velocity term.
I looked at
redshift data
for 1 galaxy
and found no
indication of
a velocity
term.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class="">I had
not noticed
this in the
equations.
Your
suggestion
that the
plenum field
can look like
the Higgs
field seems
valid. That
is, the
acceleration
of the plenum
field looks
like it adds
energy (mass)
is a Higgs
Field
characteristic.
Thus, the
plenum is
closer to the
idea of a
quantum field
and Higgs
field (weak
force).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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for the
insight.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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