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albrecht;<br>
Your paragraph in bold below is a very nice and concise way to
summarize your point, especially if the Lande factor can be fit.<br>
I have "Relativity Based on Physical Processes Rather Than
Space-Time" and the "can a photon be described...." article from
SPIE 2015<br>
I can see after eq. 2.6 the words "<i>this is now the inertial mass</i>...'<br>
<br>
this calculation makes sense but works out because you have <br>
1) defined a specific binding field as a multipole bond<br>
2) assumed mass-less particles which react individually to some
"external agent" <br>
<br>
Is there a reference or can you explain both of these assumptions or
else one might think you backed into them.<br>
I mean your requirements for the sub-particles and their fields may
be more complicated than the effects they explain.<br>
<br>
"for example you say the internal motion must be circular in order
to account for angular momentum"<br>
<br>
Does that not imply an inertial mass when the particles are in their
equilibrium orbits? <br>
If it takes an external agent force to show the properties of
inertial mass, how does this equilibrium field have a minimum.<br>
in the planetary orbit model the minimum is produced by a a coulomb
force pulling in and a centripetal force pulling out<br>
how did you get your minimum?<br>
<br>
best wishes<br>
wolf<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/30/2016 1:22 PM, Albrecht Giese
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Hello Richard,<br>
<br>
yes, we have to assume fundamentals in physics, and which those
are, may be different for different physicists. In my view, forces
are fundamental phenomena where I do not see an explanation on a
lower level, at least at present. I follow QM at this point in so
far, as forces are realized by exchange particles which are
mass-less, move with c and have a distance law of 1/r^2. .<br>
<br>
Momentum and inertia are in my view the same phenomenon. Someone
said it earlier in this discussion: Momentum is the motion of an
inertial mass. So, to explain inertial mass by momentum or
momentum by inertia as general explanation are in my view
tautological statements. There is something explained essentially
by itself, nothing new about it.<br>
<br>
<b>Inertia is caused in my view (I think explained here several
times) by a very fundamental process. Every extended object must
have inertia. This is caused by nothing than the finiteness of
the speed of light by which the internal forces in an object
propagate. And without internal forces an extended object cannot
exist. This is true for any type of force, so in our world the
strong force and the electric force. In an elementary particle
the strong force dominates, so I have restricted my explanation
mostly to the strong force. To be precise, the electric force
must not be overlooked. In my model the consideration of the
electric force in the electron causes the Landé factor (very
precisely!)</b><br>
<br>
So, the fact that an extended object behaves inert, is not a
possibility or some special theory, but it is completely
unavoidable that an extended object is inert.<br>
<br>
Only because you mention it: In my model there does not exist a
gravitational mass because gravity has nothing to do with mass.
But this is another topic. If you are interested you can find it
explained on my web site "origin of gravity" (which is the no. 1
in the internet about this topic since 12 years).<br>
<br>
About Newton's law: As I have understood, Newton has defined mass
as F/a. 'F' is in his view an elementary quantity visible e.g. by
stretching a spring. 'a' is defined by length and time, both are
also elementaries for him in the way that length is given by a
prototype ruler and time by some sufficiently defined oscillators
like a pendulum. We have better definitions now using means of
higher precision, but that does not change the idea behind.<br>
<br>
One can of course have a lot of cognition-related thoughts about
the understanding of these quantities, but that seems to me to be
beyond the level which we need here.<br>
<br>
One famous American physicist ones wrote: Mass is a great mystery.
I know that many understand it this way. But I am very sure that
my finding that every extended object has inertial mass solves
this "mystery" completely. It is my intention to convince my
colleagues about this since more than 15 year on conferences and
by the internet. And I have never got a refuting argument. Most
main stream physicists refer to Higgs and say that one does not
need another explanation. But never something more substantial.<br>
<br>
My model of inertia is in some way similar to the Higgs mechanism.
According to the Higgs theory there are virtual particles
intermediately generated in the Higgs field. These virtual
particles couple to the real particle in view and keep staying at
rest in the same inertial system as the real particle. If now the
real particle is accelerated to any direction, it moves off the
virtual Higgs and that needs a force. This force is inertia. - The
similarity to my model is that in my model the role of the virtual
Higgs is realized by the other (real) sub-particle in the
elementary particle. <br>
<br>
My model does not explain why there are certain masses in
particles realized and others not. Otto Greulich has found a
numerical relation for the existing particles but no explanation
why it works. In his algorithm the factor alpha plays an important
role. And I have the impression that the relation of strong force
and electric force, which is described by alpha, plays an
essential role in the question if a particle is stable. Otto is
looking for a possible mechanism, but up to now he has no
solution. I also think about it, but presently also with no
success.<br>
<br>
To your last comment: Momentum is the product of inertial mass and
speed, as you surely know. Mass is scalar, that is right, but
speed is a vector and so it is unavoidable that the product,
called momentum, is a vector. But just from this definition of
momentum it is visible that momentum is not fundamental but a
combination of two other units. Isn't it?<br>
<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.01.2016 um 01:33 schrieb
Richard Gauthier:<br>
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<div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div>
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<div class=""> You want to explain inertia and therefore
momentum (in your view) by the strong force. But what is your
“mechanism” or explanation for the strong force? You have not
explained or even tried to explain the strong force so you are
actually doing what you are accusing me of doing — not
explaining what momentum is or what is its “mechanism”. But
I’m not trying to explain momentum, I’m trying to explain
inertial mass or inertia in terms of momentum. If inertia can
be explained in terms of momentum, I would say that is
progress. If this leads to a greater insights into why
inertial mass equals gravitational mass (if it does), that
would be further progress. Scientific progress occurs in
steps, it’s not all or nothing.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""> Newton’s F=ma is actually a tautological or
circular relationship. A force F does not CAUSE acceleration.
Acceleration is observed and measured. “Force" is DEFINED as
ma, never observed. Or m is DEFINED as F/a. “Mass" is also
never observed. Physical objects are hypothesized, observed,
measured or inferred. None of Newton’s laws have ever been
experimentally proved, at least according to MIT physics
lecturer Walter Lewin (introduction to mechanics). You can’t
prove or disprove a definition. F=ma is a circular
relationship that works within certain limits without knowing
what either force or mass is fundamentally.</div>
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<div class=""> The cause of the inertia of the electron is
considered to be one of the deepest mysteries of physics.
Frank Wilczek in his article “The origin of mass” at <a
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href="http://web.mit.edu/physics/news/physicsatmit/physicsatmit_03_wilczek_originofmass.pdf"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://web.mit.edu/physics/news/physicsatmit/physicsatmit_03_wilczek_originofmass.pdf">http://web.mit.edu/physics/news/physicsatmit/physicsatmit_03_wilczek_originofmass.pdf</a></a> concludes: </div>
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<p class=""><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt;
font-family: 'Granjon'" class="">"Still, as I’ve
already mentioned, our understanding of the origin
of mass is by no means complete. We have achieved a
beautiful and profound understanding of the origin
of </span><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt;
font-family: 'Granjon'; font-style: italic" class="">most
</span><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt;
font-family: 'Granjon'" class="">of the mass of
ordinary matter, but not of </span><span
style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family:
'Granjon'; font-style: italic" class="">all </span><span
style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family:
'Granjon'" class="">of it. The value of the electron
mass, in particular, remains deeply mysterious even
in our most advanced speculations about unification
and string theory. And ordinary matter, we have
recently learned, supplies only a small fraction of
mass in the Universe as a whole. More beautiful and
profound revelations surely await discovery. We
continue to search for concepts and theories that
will allow us to understand the origin of mass in
all its forms, by unveiling more of Nature’s hidden
symmetries." </span></p>
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<div class="">And Wilczek is talking about the origin of the
magnitude of the electron’s mass, not the cause of the
electron’s inertia.</div>
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<div class=""> I am not claiming, as you do, to derive the
electron’s mass m = 0.511 MeV/c^2 in a circular way from the
Bohr magneton ehbar/2m which isn’t even the electron’s
experimental magnetic moment, only an approximation calculated
from the known measured values of e, h and m. But it is not
tautological or circular to derive the electron’s inertial
mass m = 0.511Mev/c^2 from a circulating photon model of an
electron where this circulating photon has (for no known
reason) energy hf = 0.511MeV and momentum p = 0.511MeV/c .
After all, a photon’s rest mass (0 Mev/c^2) is not the same
as a photon’s inertial mass (hf/c^2). And the rest mass m of a
moving electron is not the same as the inertial mass gamma m
of this moving electron. </div>
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</div>
<div class="">As far as what you say about the Higgs mechanism
and inertia, here’s an interesting quote from Bernhard Haisch
in <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.calphysics.org/articles/newscientist.html">http://www.calphysics.org/articles/newscientist.html</a> .
Haisch and his colleagues have been studying inertia and its
possible explanation for years: <span style="font-family:
verdana; font-size: small; text-align: justify;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">"But the
Higgs mechanism does not explain why mass, or its energy
equivalent, resists motion or reacts to gravity," says
Bernard Haisch of the California Institute for Physics and
Astrophysics in Palo Alto. He believes instead that inertia
and gravity are manifestations of far more familiar
effects. </span></div>
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<div class="">So the Higgs field, while it may “explain” why
some particles have rest mass and others don't, apparently
doesn’t explain the inertia of mass. So your explanation of
inertia is apparently not in competition with the Higgs
mechanism of mass. But I would say that your explanation of
inertial mass in terms of the strong nuclear force IS in
competition with the derivation of inertial mass from
momentum. And Occam’s razor and physical facts do apply.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">One more comment. Momentum is a vector quantity,
with both magnitude and direction. Inertial mass is a scalar
quantity, with magnitude only. So Inertia cannot be the same
as momentum unless inertia is also a vector quantity, having
direction as well as magnitude. Perhaps inertia IS a vector
quantity after all, subject to vector addition (and
cancellation). That would be interesting.</div>
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<div class="">Richard</div>
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Richard,<br class="">
<br class="">
there is not necessarily a hierarchy between mass and
momentum. But the origin of all is the resistance
against a change of the motion state. That resistance is
called inertia. And this resistance causes momentum as
well as mass. <br class="">
<br class="">
If you understand the momentum as on the top of the
hierarchy, you have to explain which mechanism causes
momentum. There must be one. What is it?<br class="">
<br class="">
My explanation of inertia is the only working one which
I know. And which of course is not a tautological
explanation. The other explanation followed by main
stream is the Higgs model. That is derived from QM, and
that is something which I personally do not like very
much. But the strong argument against the Higgs model is
the fact that the necessary Higgs field does not exist
as far as we know. And again, I have never heard about
another model of inertial which is not tautological. <br
class="">
<br class="">
My model for leptons and for quarks has to function as
it does, under the assumption that inertia has to be
explained. And we may not ask for Occam's Razor if there
is no alternative. I do not see any. <br class="">
<br class="">
My model explains the photon in a fundamentally similar
way as a lepton and a quark. But for the photon
something has to be added to explain its constant speed,
i.e. the fact that it cannot be found at rest. And the
fact of twice the spin. This letter point seems to me
not too serious. <br class="">
<br class="">
The relativistic increase of the particle mass at motion
(not only the electron, but all) is easily and straight
explained by the model. Take the calculation of the
inertial mass and adjust the distance of the
sub-particles for the relativistic contraction. Then the
straight result is the new mass increased by the factor
gamma. Your find it in my web site about "origin of
mass". And the relation energy to mass: E=mc^2 follows
immediately from the same calculation. Who else has ever
deduced the famous formula of Einstein? I do not know
any else deduction which refers to a physical mechanism.
<br class="">
<br class="">
Strong force? In the 1940s calculations of the electron
have been made in Germany which were based on the
assumption that there are only electrical forces in the
particle. The resulting mass turned out to be too low by
a factor of ca. 300. This is about the factor by which
the strong force is stronger than the electrical one. So
there is no surprise that with the assumption of the
strong force the results are correct. I think this is a
good argument. Isn't it?<br class="">
<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.01.2016 um 01:50
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Hello Albrecht,
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<div class=""> I know that you object to my
derivation, but I am proposing that momentum is
primary and inertia is secondary. You have got it
backwards. The inertial mass of an electron is (in
my approach) quantitatively due to the circulating
internal momentum of its charged (or uncharged)
photon. By extension, the inertial mass of all
particles with rest mass is likely due to
internally circulating momenta. It is true as you
say that in a world without inertia (or inertial
mass) there would be no momentum, but in a world
without momentum there would also be no inertia
(or inertial mass). Inertia (or inertial mass) is
due to momentum (in my approach). Momentum is not
due to inertia. </div>
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<div class=""> I know that your electron hypothesis
attempts to derive the inertia of an electron
differently. But I think you will have to admit
that my derivation of the electron’s inertial mass
from the electron’s proposed circulating internal
photon momentum is very much simpler than yours
(which is by the way based on highly questionable
premises since there is no accepted experimental
evidence for the strong nuclear force influencing
electric charges, zero experimental evidence for
two sub-particles in an electron, and your
electron model’s apparently negative rest mass due
to its negative internal potential energy), and
thus by Occam's Razor, much to be preferred. Plus,
your model doesn’t derive the inertial mass of a
photon as hf/c^2 or the inertial mass of a
relativistically moving electron as gamma m, does
it?</div>
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<div class=""> Richard</div>
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<div class="">On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:33 AM,
Albrecht Giese <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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class=""> Dear Richard,<br class="">
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you know that I object to your derivation
of inertial mass. You deduce it from
momentum. That is mathematically possible
by using the known relations. But it is
not logical in so far as momentum depends
on inertia. In a world without inertia
there would be no momentum.<br class="">
<br class="">
So we have to explain first the mechanism
of inertia itself, then we can derive the
momentum and the inertial mass.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Best<br class="">
Albrecht<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.01.2016
um 20:42 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br
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<div class="">Hello Vladimir and Chandra
and all,</div>
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<div class=""> Yes, I definitely
support the idea of the ether as
material space, and that all physical
particles are derived from this ether.
This ether can also be called a plenum
or Cosmic Tension Field.</div>
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<div class=""> I don’t however think
that it is necessary to explain the
inertial mass of particles in relation
to a "coefficient of inertia” or "the
amount of momentum the ether resists."
I have shown (<a
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class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a></a> )
by a very simple derivation that the
inertial mass m of an electron may be
derived from the momentum of the
circling photon in a
circulating-photon model of the
electron, whose circling photon has
momentum mc where m = Eo/c^2 = hf/c^2
, where Eo is the rest energy 0.511
MeV of the electron and f is the
frequency of the circulating photon in
the resting electron. Secondly, in a
similar way I derived a linearly
moving photon's inertial mass to be
M-inertial = hf/c^2 , where f is the
photon’s frequency, even though a
photon has zero rest mass. Thirdly, I
derived the inertial mass of a
relativistic electron, whose momentum
is p=gamma mv, to be M-inertial =
gamma m , even though the moving
electron's rest mass is m. </div>
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<div class=""> I present these
derivations below, taken from the <a
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href="http://academia.edu/" class="">academia.edu</a> session
on my electron inertia article at <a
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href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link">https://www.academia.edu/s/a26afd55e0?source=link</a></a> :</div>
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</div>
<div class=""><span class="js-non-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">"One reason people don’t think that a photon has any inertial mass (because it has no rest mass) is that how do you get a photon to change its momentum (i.e. accelerate) in order to measure its inertial mass. It can’t go faster or slower than c in a vacuum, so it can’t accelerate in a linear direction, and in normal physics a photon doesn’t follow a curved path (except with gravity), which would make it possible to measure its centripetal acceleration c^2/R . But as I showed in my short el</span><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;">ectron inertia article at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.academia.edu/1%0A%2
09652036%0A/The_Origin_of_the_Elect%0Arons_Inertia" class="">https://www.academia.edu/19652036/The_Origin_of_the_Electrons_Inertia</a> , the electron model in a resting electron has the photon going in a circle, with momentum mc and speed c, and the electron's inertial mass is then calculated to be M-inertial =(dp/dt)/Acentrifugal =wmc/(c^2/r)= m which is the inertial mass of the electron. But this calculation of the circling charged photon's inertial mass is independent of the radius of the charged photon’s circular orbit. Let that circular radius go towards infinity and you get a photon traveling in essentially a straight line, still having its inertial mass M =hf/c^2 (where the photon frequency f decreases as the radius of the circle increases) . So according to this logic, a linearly moving photon DOES have inertial mass M-inertial =hf/c^2 even though a photon has zero rest mass. And when a relativistic electron with momentum p=gamma mv travels in a circle with speed v, the iner
tia
l mass c
alculation
above gives M
-in
ertial = gamma m for a circling relativistic electron, and not just m the electron’s rest mass . Extending the radius here towards infinity also gives a linearly moving electron an inertial mass M = gamma m and not just the electron's rest mass m."</span></div>
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</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="js-expanded-comment" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(73, 72, 72); font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; white-space: normal;" class=""> As far as I know these are all original derivations of the inertial mass of a resting electron, a photon and a relativistic electron based on a circulating photon model of an electron. I would be pleased to be shown otherwise.</span></span></div>
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6:42 AM, Roychoudhuri, Chandra
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class="">I do not remember
whether I have attached this
paper while communicating
with you earlier. I call the
“plenum” Cosmic Tension
Field (CTF), to be
descriptive in its essential
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barge into your discussion
without knowing your views
on a "plenum field" but if
it is an ether I definitely
think there is one. A
"coefficent of inertia"
might be defined as the
amount of momentum the ether
resists. In a charged or
gravitational field this
coefficent would
increase...I think of this
in terms of my Beautiful
Universe ether of dielectric
nodes, except this may give
the wrong idea it is
something matter wades in..
not so. Matter and ether are
made if the selfsame nodes
of energy!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:41 AM,
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<div style="margin: 0in
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don’t remember asking
that. But if I did, I’m
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helpful.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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thinking about inertia
these days. Do you or
others have any insights
about its nature?<o:p
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asked if the
galaxy
redshift,
Pioneer
anomaly,
Pound--Rebka
experiment
model had a
velocity term.
I looked at
redshift data
for 1 galaxy
and found no
indication of
a velocity
term.<o:p
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not noticed
this in the
equations.
Your
suggestion
that the
plenum field
can look like
the Higgs
field seems
valid. That
is, the
acceleration
of the plenum
field looks
like it adds
energy (mass)
is a Higgs
Field
characteristic.
Thus, the
plenum is
closer to the
idea of a
quantum field
and Higgs
field (weak
force).<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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