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    Hi Al,<br>
    <br>
    thank you for your reference. Your paper has a lot of intelligent
    thoughts but also a lot of additional assumptions. With reference to
    the de Broglie wave, I think, is the situation much simpler on the
    level of conservative knowledge. De Broglie has misunderstood
    relativity (particularly dilation) and so seen a conflict which does
    in fact not exist. He has solved the conflict by inventing an
    additional "fictitious" wave which has no other foundation in
    physics, and also his "theorem of harmonic phases" which as well is
    an invention without need. And his result is in conflict with the
    experiment if we ask for Lorentz invariance or even for Galilean
    invariance. -  If we follow the basic idea of de Broglie by,
    however, avoiding his logical error about relativity, we come easily
    to a description of matter waves without logical conflicts. This
    does not need new philosophy or other effort at this level.<br>
    <br>
    Best, Albrecht<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 06.02.2016 um 03:15 schrieb
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          <div>Hi Albrecht:</div>
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          <div>DeBroglie's verbage is indeed quite rococo!  Nonetheless,
            his machinations, although verbalized, in the true tradtion
            of quantum mechanics, mysteriously, can be reinterpreted
            (i.e., alternate verbage found without changing any of the
            math) so as to tell a fully, if (somewhat) hetrodoxical,
            story.  See #11 on <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.Nonloco-Physics.0catch.com">www.Nonloco-Physics.0catch.com</a>.</div>
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          <div>cc:  Waves are never a characteristic of a single,
            point-like entity, but colletive motion of a medium.  IF
            they exist at all.  My view is that E&M waves are a
            fiction wrought by Fourier analysis.  The only real physical
            part is an "interaction", which mnight as well be thought of
            an absract string between charges.  Also, neutrons have
            electric multipole moments; i.e., they are totally neutral
            but not charge-free. </div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>Best,  Al </div>
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              <div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag,
                05. Februar 2016 um 21:43 Uhr<br>
                <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a><br>
                <b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>,
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> "Richard Gauthier"
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><richgauthier@gmail.com></a><br>
                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] De Broglie Wave</div>
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                <div style="background-color: rgb(255,255,255);">Hi Al,<br>
                  <br>
                  true, in the frame of the particle the dB wavelength
                  is infinite. Because in its own frame the momentum of
                  the particle is 0. The particle oscillates with the
                  frequency of the particle's Zitterbewegung (which
                  background fields do you have in mind? De Brogie does
                  not mention them). This oscillation is in no
                  contradiction with this wavelength as the phase speed
                  is also infinite. For the imagination, the latter
                  means that all points of that wave oscillate with the
                  same phase at any point.<br>
                  <br>
                  Which  background waves do you have in mind? What is
                  the CNONOICAL momentum? And what about E&M
                  interactions? De Broglie has not related his wave to a
                  specific field. An E&M field would anyway have no
                  effect in the case of neutron scattering for which the
                  same de Broglie formalism is used. And into which
                  frame do you see the wave Lorentz-transformed?<br>
                  <br>
                  So, an electron in his frame has an infinite
                  wavelength and in his frame has the double slit moving
                  towards the particle. How can an interference at the
                  slits occur? No interference can happen under these
                  conditions. But, as I have explained in the paper, the
                  normal wave which accompanies the electron by normal
                  rules (i.e. phase speed = c) will have an interference
                  with its own reflection, which has then a wavelength
                  which fits to the expectation of de Broglie. But that
                  is a very local event (in a range of approx. 10^-12 m
                  for the electron) and it is not at all a property of
                  the electron as de Broglie has thought.<br>
                  <br>
                  To say it again: The de Broglie wavelength cannot be a
                  steady property of the particle. But Schrödinger and
                  Dirac have incorporated it into their QM equations
                  with this understanding.<br>
                  <br>
                  If I should have misunderstood you, please show the
                  mathematical calculations which you mean.<br>
                  <br>
                  Ciao, Albrecht<br>
                  <br>
                   
                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 05.02.2016 um 19:20
                    schrieb <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      href="af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:</div>
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                        <div>Hi: Albrecht:</div>
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                        <div>Your arguments don't resonate with me.  The
                          deB' wave length is infinite in the particles
                          frame: it is the standing wave formed by the
                          inpinging background waves having a freq. =
                          the particle's Zitterbewegung.  If these TWO
                          waves are each Lorentz x-formed to another
                          frame and added there, they exhibit exactly
                          the DeB' modulation wavelength proportional to
                          the particle's momentum.  The only mysterious
                          feature then is that the proportionality is to
                          the CNONICAL momentum, i.e., including the
                          vector potential of whatever exterior E&M
                          interactions are in-coming.  Nevertheless,
                          everything works our without contradiction.  A
                          particle oscillates in place at its Zitter
                          freq. while the Zitter signals are modulated
                          by the DeB' wavelength as they move through
                          slits, say.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>ciao,  L</div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag,
                              05. Februar 2016 um 12:28 Uhr<br>
                              <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                href="genmail@a-giese.de"
                                target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a></a><br>
                              <b>An:</b> "Richard Gauthier" <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                                href="richgauthier@gmail.com"
                                target="_parent"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><richgauthier@gmail.com></a></a>,
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                href="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                target="_parent">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                              <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] De Broglie
                              Wave</div>
                            <div>Hi Richard and Al, hi All,<br>
                              <br>
                              recently we had a discussion here about
                              two topics:<br>
                              <br>
                              1. The functionality of the de Broglie
                              wave, particularly its wavelength<br>
                              if seen from a different inertial system.
                              Such cases lead to illogical<br>
                              situations.<br>
                              2. The problem of the apparent asymmetry
                              at relativistic dilation.<br>
                              <br>
                              I have investigated these cases and found
                              that they are in some way<br>
                              connected. Relativistic dilation is not as
                              simple as it is normally<br>
                              taken. It looks asymmetric if it is
                              incorrectly treated. An asymmetry<br>
                              would falsify Special Relativity. But it
                              is in fact symmetrical if<br>
                              properly handled and understood.<br>
                              <br>
                              It is funny that both problems are
                              connected to each other through the<br>
                              fact that de Broglie himself has
                              misinterpreted dilation. From this<br>
                              incorrect understanding he did not find
                              another way out than to invent<br>
                              his "theorem of phase harmony"; with all
                              logical conflicts resulting<br>
                              from this approach.<br>
                              <br>
                              If relativity is properly understood, the
                              problem seen by de Broglie<br>
                              does not exist. Equations regarding matter
                              waves can be derived which<br>
                              work properly, i.e. conform to the
                              experiments but avoid the logical<br>
                              conflicts.<br>
                              <br>
                              As announced, I have composed a paper
                              about this. It can be found at:<br>
                              <br>
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.academia.edu/21564534/The_Conflict_with_the_De_Broglie_Wavelength"
                                target="_blank">https://www.academia.edu/21564534/The_Conflict_with_the_De_Broglie_Wavelength</a><br>
                              .<br>
                              <br>
                              I thank Richard Gauthier for the
                              discussion which we had about this<br>
                              topic. It caused me to investigate the
                              problem and to find a solution.<br>
                              <br>
                              Albrecht<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
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