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    Albrecht;<br>
    Sorry to mistake your feelings it sounded like you were getting
    frustrated at not being understood.<br>
    <br>
    However I'm getting frustrated since I've read much of your work and
    have asked questions which have not been answered. Perhaps they have
    not been clear or gotten lost, so here they are again. <br>
    Ref: Albrecht;<br>
    Sorry to mistake your feelings it sounded like you were getting
    frustrated at not being understood.<br>
    <br>
    However I'm getting frustrated since I've read much of your work and
    have asked questions which perhaps have not been clear or gotten
    lost, so here they are again   ref: The Origin of Gravity Figure
    3.1: Basic Particle Model<br>
    It looks like you are presenting a new explanation of inertial mass
    with a theory which has a large number of assumptions:<br>
    a) a new set of orbiting particles that are made of What?<br>
    b) a force between those particles you made up to fit your desired
    result, where does this force come from?<br>
                why is the minimum not a combination of two forces like
    a coulomb attraction and centrifugal repulsion <br>
    c) assume this force also propagates at light speed "c" and Why does
    rapid rotation not change the interaction energy curve?<br>
            I always have trouble understanding the stability of
    particles rotating at or  near the speed of light when the force
    signals<br>
            are also moving at this speed. <br>
    d) a media or space of propagation between those particles that is
    flat<br>
    e) a force on one of the particles from an outside agent that does
    not effect the other particle<br>
        so you can calculate the reaction force. Would the outside force
    not introduce asymmetries depending on the angle of incidence?<br>
    <br>
    My question is not that your calculations are wrong but given the
    above hidden assumptions<br>
    1) why would I not simply say inertial mass is an intrinsic property
    of matter?<br>
    2) What advantage or new phenomena are you predicting?<br>
    3) It looks like you are throwing out Mach's Principle since the
    existence of distant masses<br>
                has no effect on your calculations since inertia is now
    still intrinsic to your orbiting particles rather than a point mass<br>
    <br>
    That said I agree with most of your criticism of current
    interpretations, the most interesting for me is the simplicity
    introduced by the use of a variable speed of light and a refraction
    model to explain light bending. <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Best,<br>
     Wolf<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/10/2016 5:13 AM, Albrecht Giese
      wrote:<br>
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      Hi Wolf,<br>
      <br>
      why do you think that I am frustrated? Why should I? Since I found
      17 years ago the mechanism of inertia, which functions so straight
      and logical with precise results, I am continuously happy. And the
      appreciation by interested physicists is great. Since 14 years my
      site about mass in internationally #1 in the internet. Only
      sometimes the mass site of Nobel Prize winner Frank Wilzcek is one
      step higher. But that is good companionship.<br>
      <br>
      True that it is a problem with Main Stream. They do not object but
      just do not care. They love the Higgs model even though it is
      proven not to work. - It just need patience. I still have it.<br>
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      <big> </big>Yes, quantum numbers work fine, but they are
      physically little or not founded. It is similar to the known Pauli
      Principle. That also works, but nobody knows why. And the bad
      thing is that nobody from Main Stream concerned about this
      non-understanding. That is the biggest weakness in today's physics
      in my view.<br>
      <br>
      Albrecht<br>
      <br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 09.02.2016 um 20:35 schrieb
        Wolfgang Baer:<br>
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        I can feel your frustration, Albrecht, <br>
        The oldies are probably all wrong, but it's important to
        remember that right or wrong they give us the platform from
        which to see farther.<br>
        "standing on the shoulders of others", and right or wrong they
        give us something tangible to argue about<br>
        and what quantum numbers have done for us to organize chemistry
        is amazing.<br>
        <br>
        wolf<br>
         <br>
        <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/9/2016 10:18 AM, Albrecht
          Giese wrote:<br>
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          Hi Al,<br>
          <br>
          the choice of de Broglie is not suboptimal, it is clearly
          wrong. Badly wrong. The wave he has introduced does not exist,
          and if it would exist its behaviour would cause a physical
          behaviour which is in conflict with measurements (if those are
          comprehensively done).<br>
          <br>
          I agree with you that the main object now is to move forward.
          But we will not move successfully forward if we carry
          millstones with us. De Broglie's wave is a millstone. I just
          had a look into a new textbook about QM, which was highly
          recommended by our university. It makes full use of de
          Broglie's relation between momentum and wavelength, so this is
          unfortunately not just history. <br>
          <br>
          But looking into the history: Bohr, Sommerfeld and others have
          used the result of de Broglie to explain quantum numbers.
          Particularly the quantisation of the angular momentum on
          atomic shells is explained by "standing waves" where the
          wavelength is the one defined by dB. This obviously hides the
          true reason of this quantisation, but as anyone believes that
          the Ansatz using de Broglie is right, nobody is looking for
          the correct cause. - This is one of the reasons for our
          sticking physics.<br>
          <br>
          Tschüss back<br>
          Albrecht<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 09.02.2016 um 14:57 schrieb <a
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cite="mid:trinity-72537819-ce78-41a7-b82e-b4d7545f4651-1455026275771@3capp-webde-bs59"
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                <div>Hi Albrecht:</div>
                <div> </div>
                <div>As you fully know, the very same idea can be
                  expressed in various languages.  This is true of
                  physics also. The very same structure can be attached
                  to variuos words and images.  I do not defend
                  deBroglie's choice of words and images. I too find his
                  choice suboptimal and somewhat contrdictory.  So what?
                   He was playing his hand at that time with the hand he
                  was delt at that time.  Since then, other ideas have
                  been found in the deck, as it were.  I find that,
                  without changing any of his math, one can tell a story
                  that is vastly less etherial and mysterious and,
                  depending on the reader's depth of analysis, less
                  self-contradictory.  I think my story is the one
                  DeBrogle would have told if he had been inspired by
                  some facits of SED.  And, some people have a greater
                  affinty and interest in abstract structures, in
                  particular when their mathematical redintion seems to
                  work, that for the stories told for their explication.
                   This is particularly true of all things QM. </div>
                <div> </div>
                <div>Anyway, the main object now (2016) is to move
                  forward, not critique historical personalitites.  So,
                  I'm trying to contribute to this discussion by adding
                  what I know now, and what I have found to be useful.
                   We are "doing" physics, not history.  Let's make new
                  errors, not just grind away on the old ones!</div>
                <div> </div>
                <div>BTW, to my info, both Dirac and Schrödinger would
                  agree that deBroglie proposed some not too cogent
                  arguments regarding the nature of QM-wave functions.
                  Still, the best there at that time. All the same, they
                  too went to their graves without having found a
                  satisfactory interpretation.  SED throws some new
                  ingredients into the mix.  </div>
                <div> </div>
                <div>Tschuss, Al </div>
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                      09. Februar 2016 um 13:41 Uhr<br>
                      <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <a
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                      <b>An:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>,
                      "Richard Gauthier" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><richgauthier@gmail.com></a><br>
                      <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] De Broglie Wave</div>
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                      <div style="background-color: rgb(255,255,255);">Hi

                        Al,<br>
                        <br>
                        I have the impression that you have a solution
                        for particle scattering which is in some way
                        related to the idea of de Broglie. (I also have
                        of course a solution). But was this the goal of
                        our discussion and of my original contribution?
                        It was not! My objection was de Broglie's
                        original idea as stated in his thesis and as
                        taken over by Schrödinger and Dirac.<br>
                        <br>
                        You have a lot of elements in your argumentation
                        which I do not find in the thesis of de Broglie.
                        (There is e.g. nothing at dB about SED ore
                        background.)<br>
                        <br>
                        The essential point of our discussion is the
                        meaning of his wave - and his wavelength. I
                        think it is very obvious from his thesis (which
                        you clearly know) that his "fictitious wave"
                        accompanies a particle like the electron<i> all
                          of the time</i>. There is no interaction
                        mentioned except that there is an observer at
                        rest who measures the frequency of the particle.
                        But without influencing the particle.<br>
                        <br>
                        Now it is normal knowledge that a frequency and
                        as well a wavelength appears changed for an
                        observer who is in motion. This is caused by the
                        Doppler effect. But the Doppler effect will
                        never cause that a finite wavelength changes to
                        Infinite if an observer moves at some speed
                        unequal to c. But just that happens to the wave
                        invented by de Broglie. It follows the equation<br>
                        <br>
                        lambda = h/(m*v)    where v is the speed
                        difference between the particle and the observer
                        (to say it this time this way). And this is in
                        conflict to any physics we know.<br>
                        <br>
                        Best, Albrecht<br>
                        <br>
                         
                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 08.02.2016 um
                          17:20 schrieb <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            href="af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:</div>
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                              <div>Hi Albrecht:</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>Your challenge is easy!  In fact my
                                last responce covered it.   The RELEVANT
                                velocity is the relative velocity
                                between the particle and the slit; not
                                that between the observer-particle or
                                observer-slit.   An observer will see
                                all kinds of distortions of the events,
                                starting with simple persepctive due to
                                being at some distance from the slit and
                                its registration screen.  In additon
                                this observer will see those deB waves
                                affecting the particle (NOT from the
                                particle, nor from the slit, but from
                                the universal background there before
                                either the particle or slit came into
                                being)  as
                                perspectively-relativistically distorted
                                (twin-clock type distortion).  BUT, the
                                observer will still see the same
                                over-all background because the totality
                                of background signals (not just those to
                                which this particle is tuned), i.e., its
                                spectral energy density, is itself
                                Lorentz invariant.  That is, the
                                observer's  motion does not  enable it
                                to empirically distinguish between the
                                background in the various frames, nor
                                does the background engender friction
                                forces.</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>You have got to get your head around
                                the idea that deB waves are independant
                                of particles whatever their frame.</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>Schrördinger did toy with some
                                aspects that deBroglie used, but never
                                did succeed in rationalizing his eq. in
                                those or any other terms.  For him, when
                                died, wave functions were ontologically
                                completely mysterious.  From SED
                                proponents, I'm told, my thoughts in #7
                                on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                  href="http://www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com">www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com</a>,
                                are unique in formulating S's eq. in
                                terms of deB concepts.  Try it, maybe
                                you'll like it.  </div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>There are other SED-type stories too,
                                but as they are based on diffusion
                                (parabolic, not hyperbolic) precesses, I
                                find them self contradictory.</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>ciao, Al</div>
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                                    08. Februar 2016 um 141 Uhr<br>
                                    <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <a
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                                    <b>An:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                      href="af.kracklauer@web.de"
                                      target="_parent">af.kracklauer@web.de</a><br>
                                    <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                      href="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                      target="_parent">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>,
                                    "Richard Gauthier" <a
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                                      href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><richgauthier@gmail.com></a></a><br>
                                    <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] De
                                    Broglie Wave</div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div style="background-color:
                                      rgb(255,255,255);">Hi Al,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      if you follow de Broglie, you
                                      should have an explanation for the
                                      following experiment (here again):<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Electrons move at 0.1 c towards
                                      the double slit. Behind the double
                                      slit there is an interference
                                      pattern generated, which in the
                                      frame of the slit follows the rule
                                      of de Broglie. But now there is an
                                      observer also moving at 0.1 c
                                      parallel to the beam of electrons.
                                      In his frame the electrons have
                                      momentum=0 and so
                                      wavelength=infinite. That means:
                                      No interference pattern. But there
                                      is in fact a pattern which does
                                      not disappear just because there
                                      is another observer. And the
                                      moving observer will see the
                                      pattern. - This is a falsification
                                      of de Broglie's rule. What else?<br>
                                      <br>
                                      The understanding that the de
                                      Broglie wave is a property of the
                                      particle (even though depending on
                                      their speed, but not on an
                                      interaction) was not my idea but
                                      the one of Schrödinger and Dirac
                                      and many others. Also by de
                                      Broglie himself.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Ciao Albrecht<br>
                                      <br>
                                       
                                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                        08.02.2016 um 03:30 schrieb <a
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                                            <div>Hi Albrecht:</div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div>BUT, the laws of
                                              Physics for "being" in a
                                              frame are not the laws for
                                              interacting between
                                              frames!  The deB. wave is
                                              not a feature of a
                                              particle in its own frame,
                                              but a feature of the
                                              interaction of such a
                                              particle with at least one
                                              other particle in another
                                              frame.  When the two
                                              frames are moving with
                                              respect to each other,
                                              then the features of the
                                              interaction cannot be
                                              Lorentz invariants.  When
                                              one particle is
                                              interacting with another
                                              particle (or
                                              ensemble---slit say) the
                                              relevant physics is
                                              determined by the deB wave
                                              in that sitation, whatever
                                              it looks like to an
                                              observer in a third frame
                                              with yet different
                                              relative velocities.  It
                                              is a perspective effect: a
                                              tree is the same
                                              ontological size in fact
                                              no matter how small it
                                              appears to distant
                                              observers.  Observed
                                              diminished size(s) cannot
                                              be "invriant."
                                               Appearances =/= ,,so
                                              sein''.</div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div>You have gotten your
                                              head stuck on the idea
                                              that deB. waves are
                                              characteristics intrinsic
                                              to particles in an of
                                              themselves.  Recalibrate!
                                               DeB waves are
                                              charactteristics of the
                                              mutual interaction of
                                              particles.</div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div>Best, Al</div>
                                            <div> 
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                                                  07. Februar 2016 um
                                                  22:10 Uhr<br>
                                                  <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht
                                                  Giese" <a
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                                                  <b>An:</b> <a
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                                                  <b>Cc:</b> <a
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                                                  "Richard Gauthier" <a
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                                                  <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                                  [General] De Broglie
                                                  Wave</div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div
                                                    style="background-color:
                                                    rgb(255,255,255);">Hi

                                                    Al,<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    at one of your
                                                    points I really
                                                    disagree. The
                                                    physical laws have
                                                    to be fulfilled in
                                                    every frame. That
                                                    means that all
                                                    physical processes
                                                    have to obey the
                                                    same laws in all
                                                    frames. So also the
                                                    process at the
                                                    double slit. But the
                                                    rule given by de
                                                    Broglie looks
                                                    correct in only one
                                                    frame, that is the
                                                    frame where the
                                                    double slit is at
                                                    rest. For an
                                                    observer in motion
                                                    the diffraction
                                                    pattern looks very
                                                    similar as for the
                                                    observer at rest,
                                                    but for the observer
                                                    in motion the
                                                    results according to
                                                    de Broglie are
                                                    completely
                                                    different, because
                                                    the momentum of the
                                                    particle is
                                                    different in a wide
                                                    range in the frame
                                                    of a moving observer
                                                    and so is the
                                                    wavelength assigned
                                                    to the particle.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    The specific case:
                                                    At electron
                                                    scattering, the
                                                    observer co-moving
                                                    with the electron
                                                    will see a similar
                                                    pattern as the
                                                    observer at rest,
                                                    but de Broglie says
                                                    that for this
                                                    observer there does
                                                    not exist any
                                                    pattern. That is
                                                    strongly incorrect.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    The Schrödinger
                                                    equation and also
                                                    the Dirac function
                                                    should have correct
                                                    results in different
                                                    frames, at least at
                                                    non-relativistic
                                                    speeds. This
                                                    requirement is
                                                    clearly violated
                                                    through their use of
                                                    de Broglie's rule.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Grüße<br>
                                                    Albrecht<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    PS: Your article
                                                    refers to
                                                    "Stochastic
                                                    Electrodynamics".
                                                    That is in my
                                                    knowledge not
                                                    standard physics and
                                                    so a new assumption.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                     
                                                    <div
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                                                      07.02.2016 um
                                                      19:03 schrieb <a
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                                                    <blockquote>
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                                                          <div>Hi
                                                          Albrecht:</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>In my
                                                          view the story
                                                          in my paper
                                                          has no new
                                                          assunptions,
                                                          rather new
                                                          words for old
                                                          assumptions.
                                                           As I, along
                                                          with most
                                                          others, see
                                                          it, there is
                                                          no conflict
                                                          with
                                                          experiment,
                                                          but a less
                                                          than fully
                                                          transparent
                                                          explantion for
                                                          experimental
                                                          observations
                                                          (particle beam
                                                          diffrction)
                                                          otherwise
                                                          unexplained.
                                                           At the time
                                                          of writing,
                                                          and nowadays
                                                          too (although
                                                          I'd to think
                                                          that my paper
                                                          rationalizes
                                                          DeB's story)
                                                          it was the
                                                          most widely
                                                          accepted story
                                                          for this
                                                          phenomna.  </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>The only
                                                          entities that
                                                          logically need
                                                          to be Lorentz
                                                          invariant are
                                                          the particle.
                                                           I the deB
                                                          wave is not a
                                                          'Bestandteil'
                                                          of the
                                                          particle, but
                                                          of its
                                                          relations with
                                                          its
                                                          envionment,
                                                          then
                                                          invariance is
                                                          not defined
                                                          nor useful.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>M.f.G.
                                                           Al</div>
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                                                          07. Februar
                                                          2016 um 14:39
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht




                                                          Giese" <a
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                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
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                                                          <b>Cc:</b> <a
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                                                          "Richard
                                                          Gauthier" <a
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                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:




                                                          [General] De
                                                          Broglie Wave</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="background-color:
rgb(255,255,255);">Hi Al,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          thank you for
                                                          your
                                                          reference.
                                                          Your paper has
                                                          a lot of
                                                          intelligent
                                                          thoughts but
                                                          also a lot of
                                                          additional
                                                          assumptions.
                                                          With reference
                                                          to the de
                                                          Broglie wave,
                                                          I think, is
                                                          the situation
                                                          much simpler
                                                          on the level
                                                          of
                                                          conservative
                                                          knowledge. De
                                                          Broglie has
                                                          misunderstood
                                                          relativity
                                                          (particularly
                                                          dilation) and
                                                          so seen a
                                                          conflict which
                                                          does in fact
                                                          not exist. He
                                                          has solved the
                                                          conflict by
                                                          inventing an
                                                          additional
                                                          "fictitious"
                                                          wave which has
                                                          no other
                                                          foundation in
                                                          physics, and
                                                          also his
                                                          "theorem of
                                                          harmonic
                                                          phases" which
                                                          as well is an
                                                          invention
                                                          without need.
                                                          And his result
                                                          is in conflict
                                                          with the
                                                          experiment if
                                                          we ask for
                                                          Lorentz
                                                          invariance or
                                                          even for
                                                          Galilean
                                                          invariance. - 
                                                          If we follow
                                                          the basic idea
                                                          of de Broglie
                                                          by, however,
                                                          avoiding his
                                                          logical error
                                                          about
                                                          relativity, we
                                                          come easily to
                                                          a description
                                                          of matter
                                                          waves without
                                                          logical
                                                          conflicts.
                                                          This does not
                                                          need new
                                                          philosophy or
                                                          other effort
                                                          at this level.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Best, Albrecht<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                           
                                                          <div
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                                                          06.02.2016 um
                                                          03:15 schrieb
                                                          <a
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                                                          <blockquote>
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                                                          <div>Hi
                                                          Albrecht:</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>DeBroglie's




                                                          verbage is
                                                          indeed quite
                                                          rococo!
                                                           Nonetheless,
                                                          his
                                                          machinations,
                                                          although
                                                          verbalized, in
                                                          the true
                                                          tradtion of
                                                          quantum
                                                          mechanics,
                                                          mysteriously,
                                                          can be
                                                          reinterpreted
                                                          (i.e.,
                                                          alternate
                                                          verbage found
                                                          without
                                                          changing any
                                                          of the math)
                                                          so as to tell
                                                          a fully, if
                                                          (somewhat)
                                                          hetrodoxical,
                                                          story.  See
                                                          #11 on <a
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                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>cc:
                                                           Waves are
                                                          never a
                                                          characteristic
                                                          of a single,
                                                          point-like
                                                          entity, but
                                                          colletive
                                                          motion of a
                                                          medium.  IF
                                                          they exist at
                                                          all.  My view
                                                          is that
                                                          E&M waves
                                                          are a fiction
                                                          wrought by
                                                          Fourier
                                                          analysis.  The
                                                          only real
                                                          physical part
                                                          is an
                                                          "interaction",
                                                          which mnight
                                                          as well be
                                                          thought of an
                                                          absract string
                                                          between
                                                          charges.
                                                           Also,
                                                          neutrons have
                                                          electric
                                                          multipole
                                                          moments; i.e.,
                                                          they are
                                                          totally
                                                          neutral but
                                                          not
                                                          charge-free. </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Best,
                                                           Al </div>
                                                          <div> 
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                                                          05. Februar
                                                          2016 um 21:43
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht




                                                          Giese" <a
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                                                          <b>An:</b> <a
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                                                          href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a></a>,
                                                          <a
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                                                          <b>Cc:</b> "Richard




                                                          Gauthier" <a
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                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:




                                                          [General] De
                                                          Broglie Wave</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="background-color:
rgb(255,255,255);">Hi Al,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          true, in the
                                                          frame of the
                                                          particle the
                                                          dB wavelength
                                                          is infinite.
                                                          Because in its
                                                          own frame the
                                                          momentum of
                                                          the particle
                                                          is 0. The
                                                          particle
                                                          oscillates
                                                          with the
                                                          frequency of
                                                          the particle's
                                                          Zitterbewegung
                                                          (which
                                                          background
                                                          fields do you
                                                          have in mind?
                                                          De Brogie does
                                                          not mention
                                                          them). This
                                                          oscillation is
                                                          in no
                                                          contradiction
                                                          with this
                                                          wavelength as
                                                          the phase
                                                          speed is also
                                                          infinite. For
                                                          the
                                                          imagination,
                                                          the latter
                                                          means that all
                                                          points of that
                                                          wave oscillate
                                                          with the same
                                                          phase at any
                                                          point.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Which 
                                                          background
                                                          waves do you
                                                          have in mind?
                                                          What is the
                                                          CNONOICAL
                                                          momentum? And
                                                          what about
                                                          E&M
                                                          interactions?
                                                          De Broglie has
                                                          not related
                                                          his wave to a
                                                          specific
                                                          field. An
                                                          E&M field
                                                          would anyway
                                                          have no effect
                                                          in the case of
                                                          neutron
                                                          scattering for
                                                          which the same
                                                          de Broglie
                                                          formalism is
                                                          used. And into
                                                          which frame do
                                                          you see the
                                                          wave
                                                          Lorentz-transformed?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So, an
                                                          electron in
                                                          his frame has
                                                          an infinite
                                                          wavelength and
                                                          in his frame
                                                          has the double
                                                          slit moving
                                                          towards the
                                                          particle. How
                                                          can an
                                                          interference
                                                          at the slits
                                                          occur? No
                                                          interference
                                                          can happen
                                                          under these
                                                          conditions.
                                                          But, as I have
                                                          explained in
                                                          the paper, the
                                                          normal wave
                                                          which
                                                          accompanies
                                                          the electron
                                                          by normal
                                                          rules (i.e.
                                                          phase speed =
                                                          c) will have
                                                          an
                                                          interference
                                                          with its own
                                                          reflection,
                                                          which has then
                                                          a wavelength
                                                          which fits to
                                                          the
                                                          expectation of
                                                          de Broglie.
                                                          But that is a
                                                          very local
                                                          event (in a
                                                          range of
                                                          approx. 10^-12
                                                          m for the
                                                          electron) and
                                                          it is not at
                                                          all a property
                                                          of the
                                                          electron as de
                                                          Broglie has
                                                          thought.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          To say it
                                                          again: The de
                                                          Broglie
                                                          wavelength
                                                          cannot be a
                                                          steady
                                                          property of
                                                          the particle.
                                                          But
                                                          Schrödinger
                                                          and Dirac have
                                                          incorporated
                                                          it into their
                                                          QM equations
                                                          with this
                                                          understanding.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          If I should
                                                          have
                                                          misunderstood
                                                          you, please
                                                          show the
                                                          mathematical
                                                          calculations
                                                          which you
                                                          mean.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Ciao, Albrecht<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                           
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                                                          05.02.2016 um
                                                          19:20 schrieb
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                                                          <div>Hi:
                                                          Albrecht:</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Your
                                                          arguments
                                                          don't resonate
                                                          with me.  The
                                                          deB' wave
                                                          length is
                                                          infinite in
                                                          the particles
                                                          frame: it is
                                                          the standing
                                                          wave formed by
                                                          the inpinging
                                                          background
                                                          waves having a
                                                          freq. = the
                                                          particle's
                                                          Zitterbewegung.
                                                           If these TWO
                                                          waves are each
                                                          Lorentz
                                                          x-formed to
                                                          another frame
                                                          and added
                                                          there, they
                                                          exhibit
                                                          exactly the
                                                          DeB'
                                                          modulation
                                                          wavelength
                                                          proportional
                                                          to the
                                                          particle's
                                                          momentum.  The
                                                          only
                                                          mysterious
                                                          feature then
                                                          is that the
                                                          proportionality
                                                          is to the
                                                          CNONICAL
                                                          momentum,
                                                          i.e.,
                                                          including the
                                                          vector
                                                          potential of
                                                          whatever
                                                          exterior
                                                          E&M
                                                          interactions
                                                          are in-coming.
                                                           Nevertheless,
                                                          everything
                                                          works our
                                                          without
                                                          contradiction.
                                                           A particle
                                                          oscillates in
                                                          place at its
                                                          Zitter freq.
                                                          while the
                                                          Zitter signals
                                                          are modulated
                                                          by the DeB'
                                                          wavelength as
                                                          they move
                                                          through slits,
                                                          say.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>ciao,  L</div>
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                                                          05. Februar
                                                          2016 um 12:28
                                                          Uhr<br>
                                                          <b>Von:</b> "Albrecht




                                                          Giese" <a
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                                                          <b>An:</b> "Richard




                                                          Gauthier" <a
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                                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:




                                                          [General] De
                                                          Broglie Wave</div>
                                                          <div>Hi
                                                          Richard and
                                                          Al, hi All,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          recently we
                                                          had a
                                                          discussion
                                                          here about two
                                                          topics:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          1. The
                                                          functionality
                                                          of the de
                                                          Broglie wave,
                                                          particularly
                                                          its wavelength<br>
                                                          if seen from a
                                                          different
                                                          inertial
                                                          system. Such
                                                          cases lead to
                                                          illogical<br>
                                                          situations.<br>
                                                          2. The problem
                                                          of the
                                                          apparent
                                                          asymmetry at
                                                          relativistic
                                                          dilation.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have
                                                          investigated
                                                          these cases
                                                          and found that
                                                          they are in
                                                          some way<br>
                                                          connected.
                                                          Relativistic
                                                          dilation is
                                                          not as simple
                                                          as it is
                                                          normally<br>
                                                          taken. It
                                                          looks
                                                          asymmetric if
                                                          it is
                                                          incorrectly
                                                          treated. An
                                                          asymmetry<br>
                                                          would falsify
                                                          Special
                                                          Relativity.
                                                          But it is in
                                                          fact
                                                          symmetrical if<br>
                                                          properly
                                                          handled and
                                                          understood.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          It is funny
                                                          that both
                                                          problems are
                                                          connected to
                                                          each other
                                                          through the<br>
                                                          fact that de
                                                          Broglie
                                                          himself has
                                                          misinterpreted
                                                          dilation. From
                                                          this<br>
                                                          incorrect
                                                          understanding
                                                          he did not
                                                          find another
                                                          way out than
                                                          to invent<br>
                                                          his "theorem
                                                          of phase
                                                          harmony"; with
                                                          all logical
                                                          conflicts
                                                          resulting<br>
                                                          from this
                                                          approach.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          If relativity
                                                          is properly
                                                          understood,
                                                          the problem
                                                          seen by de
                                                          Broglie<br>
                                                          does not
                                                          exist.
                                                          Equations
                                                          regarding
                                                          matter waves
                                                          can be derived
                                                          which<br>
                                                          work properly,
                                                          i.e. conform
                                                          to the
                                                          experiments
                                                          but avoid the
                                                          logical<br>
                                                          conflicts.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          As announced,
                                                          I have
                                                          composed a
                                                          paper about
                                                          this. It can
                                                          be found at:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a
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                                                          .<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I thank
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier for
                                                          the discussion
                                                          which we had
                                                          about this<br>
                                                          topic. It
                                                          caused me to
                                                          investigate
                                                          the problem
                                                          and to find a
                                                          solution.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Albrecht<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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