<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Andrew,</div><div class=""> No, I don’t follow his math, which looks more like logic patterns than math. But I have a sense that he could bring something to the conversation. What are the mechanics getting a person added to the Nature of Light and Particles list?</div><div class=""> Richard</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Andrew Meulenberg <<a href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" class="">mules333@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Richard,<br class=""><br class=""></div>If you follow his math, it might be better for you to invite him. I have not had time to read his work adequately.<br class=""><br class=""></div>Thx,<br class=""><br class=""></div>Andrew<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Richard Gauthier <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">Hello Andrew,</div><div class=""> I would advise inviting Kevin to our discussions. He has done his homework on the zitterbewegung of the electron and apparently takes it and its implications seriously.</div><div class=""> Richard</div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class="">On Feb 21, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Andrew Meulenberg <<a href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">mules333@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Gentlemen,<br class=""><br class=""></div>I have appended an email (with his association) from someone who has a new view of the electron. While I am sympathetic to his approach, I don't feel that I will gain a lot from his model (too mathematical for me); however, if anyone thinks that it is worth inviting him to join the discussion, please do so.<br class=""><br class=""></div>Andrew<br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""> <a href="mailto:Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">mailto:Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com</a>] <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Knuth</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 40px;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""><b class="">Departments of Physics and Informatics<br class="">University at Albany, Albany NY USA<br class=""></b></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Thursday, 18 February 2016 5:54 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> <a href="mailto:Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.com</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Define natural selection</span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </p><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">Dear Stephen,</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">I enjoyed your discussion about how mainstream science complicates things!</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">I
am a physicist, and I marvel at how the concepts we employ (mass,
energy, time) have been taken as fundamental and foundational. Our
current theories simply assume these concepts and their relations and
then try to go further. But they can't - they are stuck. The reason is
that by assuming such concepts, one cannot learn about them.</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">I
have been in recent conversations with fellow physicists and
astronomers regarding the nature of space-time. This is especially
timely given the LIGO results. Geraint Lewis recently tweeted regarding
LIGO, "This does not mean that space-time is a thing!" You might enjoy
his paper "Expanding Space: The Root of All Evil?"<br class=""><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.0380" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.0380</a></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">As you may have guessed, I too have problems with the concept of space as a thing.</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">As
I see it modern physics faces two problems. First, it has come to
assume that discoveries can be made using Math. From what I see, it
seems that this arose out of all of the consequences to quantum
mechanics that were rooted out by applying mathematics to the theory.
To this I owe the computer I am typing on among many many other things.
Physics is broken, but not horribly broken. Its clearly doing some
things right. <br class=""><br class="">Math plays two roles in Physics: First, Math
describes symmetries. Second: Math provides equations that quantify
relationships. I have an essay (that I assume some people think is
nice, since it received a 3rd place prize in the FQXi essay contest)
called "The Deeper Roles of Mathematics in Physical Laws":<br class=""><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1504.06686" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">http://arxiv.org/abs/1504.06686</a></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">What people have seem to have forgotten is that in physics Math is a very precise language used to describe a model.</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">The
MODEL is what is important. And that is all it is, a model. It isn't
TRUTH because as my friend John Skilling says "You wouldn't know the
Truth if I told it to you!". It is simply a model.</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">And
not just any sort of model... it is a PREDICTIVE MODEL. This is
important since it allows one to test it by comparing it to some aspect
of reality.</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">So
what about the continuous 3+1 manifold we call space-time? Hmmm... Its
mighty hard to test continuity. So the whole continuous manifold
aspect is in serious question.</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">Strings?
Yeah the math has nice symmetries, but that doesn't mean that string
theory conforms to reality. It is not yet a sufficiently predictive
model. Keep working??? Perhaps. These people people are geniuses,
they know what they are doing as they have been working on this for
decades... except that they have not been solving the problem for
decades.</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">Dark
matter? Hmmm...gravity isn't working at the galactic scale. So let's
add stuff. Sounds like over-fitting to me. Maybe the theory is not
quite right.</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">At this point I am just complaining.</div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">But
seriously, given your dissatisfaction with modern physics, perhaps I
could ask you to take a peak at the work of a dissatisfied physicist.</div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">I
have two papers that you might find interesting. Please do take a
peak. If you don't like what you see in the first paragraph then don't
bother.</div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">These
two papers outline a new attempt at foundational physics that we have
been undertaking where a simple model consisting of objects influencing
one another is employed. So far, some physicists really like it, others
find it curious, and many don't seem to like it because its too simple
(God forbid that someone finds a simple way to do what they have been
doing, but that would make smart people look stupid and they don't like
that!).</div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class=""><br class="">Here is the first: <br class=""><br class="">Understanding the Electron<br class=""><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1511.07766" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">http://arxiv.org/abs/1511.07766</a></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </p></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">The
physics arxiv classified "Understanding the Electron" as Philosophy of
Physics, which upset me because it really is a new foundational theory
that leads to relativity and quantum mechanics in a new context. Clearly
the moderators didn't get it. Moreover, this means that physicists
won't read it. But maybe some philosophers will.</div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">The second is similar.</div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class=""><br class="">Information-Based Physics and the Influence Network<br class=""><a href="http://fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Knuth_fqxi13knuthessayfinal.pdf" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" class="">http://fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Knuth_fqxi13knuthessayfinal.pdf</a></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">This
essay also won 3rd place in an FQXi essay contest (so someone liked
it). I do have journal papers with details and proofs and such that
effectively bury the ideas in mounds of math.</div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" class="">Please do take a peak. And if you decide to delve further and read them, I would sincerely appreciate your thoughts.</div></div>Kevin Knuth<br class=""></div></div></div></div><div class=""><br class="">
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