<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>Rich</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr">The relativistic energy-momentum equation is a tensor relationship.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr">Vectorizing a tensor equation may not achieve what you intend.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr">Additional areas to explore are:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr">1. Scalar-tensor theories - Energy density plays a role </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr">2. Non-inertial frames - Off-geodesic, any rotating or curved space</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr">David</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3060" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_2988"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3124" style="display: block;"> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3123"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3122"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3121"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3120"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3138"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3419"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Richard Gauthier <richgauthier@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> davidmathes8@yahoo.com <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 2, 2016 6:19 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [General] a quantitative measure of inertia (not inertial mass)<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3125"><br><div id="yiv2791259984"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3127"><div class="yiv2791259984" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3126">David,</div><div class="yiv2791259984" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3128"> In this paper I’m just putting out the basic idea out that the electron's total momentum or inertia is related to the relativistic energy-momentum equation E^2 = p^2 c^2 + m^2 c^4 which can be modified and expressed in the charged photon model (I showed this in my "electron as charged photon generating de Broglie wavelength" article but I wasn’t thinking much about inertia then) as an equation that the circulating charged photon’s (electron’s) total momentum P=gamma mc equals (in the vector or pythagorean sense) the electron's external momentum p=gamma mv plus the electron's internal momentum mc: P^2 = p^2 + (mc)^2 , and what follows from this relationship. Other subtleties may have to come later.</div><div class="yiv2791259984" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3420"> Richard</div><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"><div class="yiv2791259984yqt0106280062" id="yiv2791259984yqt24762"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3422"><blockquote class="yiv2791259984" type="cite" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3421"><div class="yiv2791259984">On Mar 1, 2016, at 11:38 PM, <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984" ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984" ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="yiv2791259984" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3425"><div class="yiv2791259984" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3424"><div class="yiv2791259984" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456935745133_3423"><div class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403"><span class="yiv2791259984">Rich,</span></div><div class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403">Would this paper be appropriate to address the inertial frames inside and outside of any electron model. Inertial mass is not the only one to consider. Quantum mass may vary. Gravitational mass is often considered invariant. Given the TEQ model with FTL, you may want to address the issues of transluminal frames, variable c frames, and FTL frames. </div><div class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403">"Electron Inertial Frames" or simply "Electron Inertia", either which will demand a rigorous effort with some restraint. </div><div class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403">For an inertial mass of E/c^2, see Woodward's Transient Mass equation which actually uses this form. Also check on <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984edited-link-editor" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4697" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyle%E2%80%93Narlikar_theory_of_gravity">Hoyle-Narlikar</a> linearized GRT. You may want to check with Fearn and Woodward at CSU Fullerton. </div><div class="yiv2791259984" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403">Jim's not doing too well with his health. Try Fearn. Be patient, mid-terms are near. Check on Fearn's recent papers.</div><div class="yiv2791259984" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4403"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984edited-link-editor" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4934" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-inertial_reference_frame">Non-inertial reference frame</a></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984edited-link-editor" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_6319" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_frame_of_reference">Inertial frame of reference</a><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419">E/c^2 may not be sufficient. One may have to address energy density E/volume-c^2 instead of just E/c^2. </div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984edited-link-editor" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_6888" target="_blank" href="http://infohost.nmt.edu/~pharis/Dynamic/Intro.pdf">Williams' Dynamic Theory</a><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984edited-link-editor" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_6951" target="_blank" href="http://infohost.nmt.edu/~pharis/logic_flow.html">Dynamic Theory Flow Chart of 5D Mathematical Physics</a><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419">For FTL, energy density may prove challenging. Ti-space theory may be required. See Meholic and Froning who have models. For a 5D energy density model, see Pharis Williams theory, </div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419">Best regards,</div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div><div class="yiv2791259984qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4419">David</div><div class="yiv2791259984yahoo_quoted" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4424" style="display:block;"> <blockquote class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4423" style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <div class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4422" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4421" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv2791259984" dir="ltr" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4420"> <font class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4425" size="2" face="Arial"> </font><hr class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4496" size="1"> <b class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4440"><span class="yiv2791259984" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4439" style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Richard Gauthier <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984" ymailto="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"> <b class="yiv2791259984"><span class="yiv2791259984" style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Chip Akins <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984" ymailto="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">chipakins@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"><b class="yiv2791259984"><span class="yiv2791259984" style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> David Mathes <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984" ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>>; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984" ymailto="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"> <b class="yiv2791259984"><span class="yiv2791259984" style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 1, 2016 10:00 PM<br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"> <b class="yiv2791259984"><span class="yiv2791259984" style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> a quantitative measure of inertia (not inertial mass)<br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"> </div> <div class="yiv2791259984y_msg_container" id="yiv2791259984yui_3_16_0_1_1456901959141_4426"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984">Chip and David,<br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"> I’ve been working an article expanding the idea of the origin of the electron’s inertia that I introduced in my short article on this on <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984" target="_blank" href="http://academia.edu/">academia.edu</a>. I want to complete it more or less and polish it a bit over the next week or so and then put in on <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2791259984" target="_blank" href="http://academia.edu/">Academia.edu</a> and hopefully get comments on it, from you both as well as from any of the other “nature of light and particles" folks. I’m proposing a basic quantitative measure of the inertia of the electron that is different from its inertial mass, and from which its inertial mass is derived quantitatively. The quantitative measure of inertia covers both the resting and the relativistically moving electron. As a side benefit it also gives the photon an inertial mass E/c^2 (this is controversial in inertia literature but is accepted by Martin in “Light is Heavy"), even though the photon doesn’t have any rest mass. I haven’t settled on a title yet. Currently it’s “The electron’s inertia is its total momentum”. That might generate some interest and curiousity: “That's dumb, what about a resting electron whose momentum is zero? It obviously still has inertia.” The key idea is TOTAL momentum, internal plus external. Another possible title is “The origin of the electron's inertia based on the spin 1/2 charged photon model of the electron.” ho hum, maybe a bit too long...<br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"> Richard<br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><br clear="none" class="yiv2791259984"></div></div><br><div class="yqt0106280062" id="yqt30968">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none"><a href="<a shape="rect" href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1" target="_blank">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/davidmathes8%40yahoo.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br clear="none">Click here to unsubscribe<br clear="none"></a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div></div></body></html>