<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Hello Richard,</div><div><br></div><div>First I have to apologize very much that I am so late answering. I was off for a week to a conference and then quite sick. So, sorry for the delay.</div><div><br></div><div><div>Von meinem iPad gesendet</div></div><div><br><div><br><br>Von meinem iPad gesendet</div>Am 10.03.2016 um 20:13 schrieb Albrecht Giese <<a href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="moz-forward-container">
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.02.2016 um 22:09 schrieb
        Richard Gauthier:<br>
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        <div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div>
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        <div class="">   Is the 1/r^3 repulsive force that you mention a
          universal law of nature? Are you claiming that Newton’s 3 laws
          of motion require the existence of such a law of repulsive
          force (or even a law of attraction of 1/r^2 for that matter?)
           I found a reference to a 1/r^3 force in a discussion of
          Yukawa’s work at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/NuclearForces.htm" class="">http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/NuclearForces.htm</a> . </div>
        <div class="">but the 1/r^3 force postulated by Yukawa was an
          ATTRACTIVE  force, while he postulated a 1/r^4 REPULSIVE force
          !  :</div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>The fundamental assumption which I have to make so that my modell for mass can work is than there is a bind between fundamental objects which takes care that a certain distance between these objects is kept. This is the fundamental requirement. The rest are refinements. </div><div><br></div><div>I am presently travelling, so it is difficult to invoce the paper you give above. I shall try to answer in the following text.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="moz-forward-container"><blockquote cite="mid:FD96F484-0BB4-437F-90F0-2C815EB79F9D@gmail.com" type="cite">
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        <div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial,
            Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class="">"In 1935 a
            scientist by the name of Hideki Yukawa hypothesised that
            there exists a force that could bind nucleons (protons and
            neutrons) together. He called this the ‘strong nuclear
            force’ because it had to be stronger than the electrical
            force that would otherwise push protons apart.</span><br style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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          <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
            sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class="">The strong nuclear
            force (SNF) was a curious contrivance that required some
            unusual properties:</span><br style="font-family: Verdana,
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          <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
            sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class="">1. The force, while
            stronger than the electrical force, needed to operate only
            within a short range. Otherwise it would attract protons at
            any distance.</span><br style="font-family: Verdana, Arial,
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          <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
            sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class="">2. The force needed
            to become neutral at even shorter distances. Otherwise
            protons would be forced together, possibly extinguishing
            themselves as an electron and positron are said to do.</span><br style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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          <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
            sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class="">3. The force also
            needed to work on neutrons which have neutral electric
            charge. Thus the possibility exists that the force should
            probably affect all subatomic particles and also cause
            electrons to cling together.</span><br style="font-family:
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          <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
            sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class="">To overcome the first
            problem it was proposed that the SNF’s strength might vary
            with the inverse cube of the distance, i.e. 1/</span><strong style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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            Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class="">. To
            overcome the second it was proposed that a repulsive SNF
            also exists. This would need to be even stronger than the
            first and work at an even shorter range, for example as the
            inverse forth power of the distance, i.e. 1/</span><strong style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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          <span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
            sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class="">With such an unusual
            range of forces, the SNF was shaping up to be somewhat
            bizarre. Normally in three-dimensional space we would expect
            a force function to vary with the inverse square of
            distance. Yet here were cubed and forth powers. What have we
            now: 4D and 5D space?" </span></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I was told at the university that the Yukawa potential has a plateau in the center, further out steep walls and then a fall-off which in an exponential way. (I have understood that QM likes exponential rules.) </div><div><br></div><div>To my knowledge Yukawa has developed his potential to explain scattering processes. So the conclusions for the potential cannot be very precise. </div><div><br></div><div>If we use the mass mechanism of my model to conclude back from Newton's law to the shape of the binding potential of the strong force, then the result for the shape should be much closer to the physical relality. If you take the shape which have proposed for the mechanism of inertia, then the shape proposed does not have any problems with keeping a distance and with a long range attraction. There must be a long range attraction which, however, must not be too strong, because otherwise protons and neutrons could not be bound in a nucleus. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="moz-forward-container"><blockquote cite="mid:FD96F484-0BB4-437F-90F0-2C815EB79F9D@gmail.com" type="cite">
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        <div class="">   But Yukawa’s hypothesis of such forces has
          anyway been superseded by quantum chromodynamics, quarks and
          gluons, hasn’t it?</div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div>That is surely true but the old problem that QM does not explain physics, only presents abstract rules.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="moz-forward-container"><blockquote cite="mid:FD96F484-0BB4-437F-90F0-2C815EB79F9D@gmail.com" type="cite">
        <div class="">     By the way, what do you think of the work of
          Vernon Brown, who mentions you in his website <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://photontheory.com" class="">photontheory.com</a></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>With the approach of Vernon Brown I have the problem already mentioned here some times: For him a photon is the most fundamental object in the physical world. In my view, however, the photon is much too complicated as to be used as a really fundamental object.</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="moz-forward-container"><blockquote cite="mid:FD96F484-0BB4-437F-90F0-2C815EB79F9D@gmail.com" type="cite">
        <div class="">       Richard</div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Albrecht<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="moz-forward-container"><blockquote cite="mid:FD96F484-0BB4-437F-90F0-2C815EB79F9D@gmail.com" type="cite">
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            <div class="">On Feb 26, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Albrecht Giese
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                Richard,<br class="">
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                in <u class="">no way </u>I <i class="">assume </i>inertia

                in my derivation. <br class="">
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                My derivation goes logically in two steps:<br class="">
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                Step 1: It is inevitable that an extended object has
                inertia. This works for any shape of a field as long as
                it has a potential minimum which defines the distance
                between the partners.<br class="">
                Step 2: To reproduce Newton's law of motion, it is
                necessary to assume a certain shape (some call it
                reverse engineering). <br class="">
                In my case I was lucky in so far as I have initially
                looked for the simplest shape which I could find in
                order to make a numerical deduction. I took the 1/r^2
                law for attraction and the 1/r^3 law for repulsion. And
                with this assumption the result was Newton's law. <br class="">
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                But again: Logically the steps have to be done in
                sequence.<br class="">
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                Albrecht<br class="">
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 25.02.2016 um 05:58
                  schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br class="">
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                  <div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div>
                  <div class="">   You wrote </div>
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                            <blockquote class="">I have assumed a
                              certain shape of that field which leads to
                              Newton's law of inertia.</blockquote>
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                  How can you claim that you are deriving inertia for an
                  extended body when you are assuming that inertia
                  exists in your derivation?
                  <div class="">        Richard</div>
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                        <div class="">On Feb 23, 2016, at 6:26 AM,
                          Albrecht Giese <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" class="">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>


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                            Hi Wolf,<br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            who is the addressee of your mail? Where do
                            you see a specific difficulty?<br class="">
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                            With respect to my first step of explaining
                            inertia caused by extension: Was that
                            explanation understandable? I would
                            appreciate to have a feedback.<br class="">
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                            Albrecht<br class="">
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                            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.02.2016
                              um 21:58 schrieb Wolfgang Baer:<br class="">
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                              Yes I think Al has described things well.<br class="">
                              My only additional comment is not to feel
                              rejected and disappointed.<br class="">
                              It is very difficult to write  from the
                              perspective of a new reader when one has
                              been involved in ones own ideas for a long
                              time.<br class="">
                              It is already a major break through in
                              communication when people have enough
                              interest to point out what they do not
                              understand about your work. <br class="">
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                              wolf<br class="">
                              <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
                              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/19/2016
                                5:15 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>
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                                    <div class="">Hi Albrecht & all:</div>
                                    <div class=""> </div>
                                    <div class="">Let me formulate
                                      Wolfgang's point in my prefered
                                      style.  In telling your story, for
                                      my taste, you do not follow a
                                      structure in accord with formal
                                      logic.  That is, you do not FIRST
                                      list all of your hypothetical
                                      inputs, which are things
                                      (mysteries) that you do not intend
                                      to prove or explain.  Then with
                                       something like sylogisims prove
                                      or deduce new outputs, i.e., the
                                      benefits of the story.  In stead,
                                      you tell a chapter or so of your
                                      story, at which point further
                                      development requires a so far
                                      unused hypothtical new input, and
                                      then, zipp!, in she goes,
                                      without mostly, proper
                                      introduction.   In the end, the
                                      reader or consumer of your story
                                      is unsure that the number of
                                      benefits is actually larger than
                                      the number of inputs, thereby
                                      making the effort to ingest and
                                      digest the complexitites of the
                                      story worth the effort. It's like
                                      reading a poorly composed Russian
                                      novel: the reader loses all
                                      coherance with respect to
                                      characters coming and going and
                                      has the feeling of being swept
                                      along as if in a megacity's rush
                                      hour subway throng!</div>
                                    <div class=""> </div>
                                    <div class="">Also, some of your
                                      points are manifestly dimentional
                                      analysis---they prove nothing new,
                                      they just reshuffel the building
                                      blocks.  Some see this a proof of
                                      internal consistency, but without
                                      recognizing that the consistency
                                      thereby proved, if any, is within
                                      the inputs taken from previous
                                      work (often tautological
                                      definitions of terms), most often
                                      somebody else's.  Such consistency
                                      is not to the credit of the
                                      results of the supposed new
                                      structure/story.</div>
                                    <div class=""> </div>
                                    <div class="">For what it's worth,
                                       Al</div>
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