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Dear Andrew,<br>
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also my comments again below.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18.04.2016 um 00:41 schrieb Andrew
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<div>Dear Albrecht,<br>
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I apologize for projecting my interpretations on your model.
Thank you for clarifying things.<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Dear Andrew,<br>
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<div>Am 16.04.2016 um 12:31 schrieb Andrew
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<div>Dear Albrecht,<br>
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<div>You mentioned an article that seems to
counter, rather than support, your model
of the binary electron. You state: "On the
other hand there was a kind of indication
for two constituents described by the
article of Frank Wilczek about the
electron in Nature in summer 2013."
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<div>Some statements from the article:<br>
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electron is effectively a spinning ball
of charge, and elementary
electromagnetism tells us that this
generates<br>
a magnetic dipole field." <br>
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"An electric dipole, should it exist,
would generate broadly similar
corrections. But no such field has been
detected."<br>
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"So far there is only an upper bound for
the electric dipole moment. This is an
extraordinary 17 orders of magnitude
smaller than one might expect — naively,
given the electron’s effective size."<span
style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"> [....
estimated to be roughly 2.4 × 10^–12
metres]</span>. <br>
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</span> According to my model there cannot be an
(electrical) dipole moment in the electron. So
these statements do not weaken my model.<span
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<div>Good. Should we expect to see a quadrupole
moment? <br>
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Why should we? There are two charges of the same sign, that will not
build a quadrupole.<br>
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Despite the lack of measured dipole, he
states:<br>
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non-zero electric dipole moment for
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This seems to be the only support for your
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</span> Why? I do not see this as a support of the
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<div>OK, from above <br>
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<div>On the other hand, you are not
expecting your twin particles to be
attracted by electrostatic forces (you
suggest something like strong nuclear
forces). Therefore, an electric dipole
would not be expected; some other form of
dipole would be. But, if no electric
dipole, what causes the EM fields?<br>
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</span> In my model, the elementary electrical
charge is split into two portions, one at each
sub-particle. There is of course no attraction
between both, but a repulsion. But the force of
this repulsion is only 1/1000 of the binding force
in the particle. It causes the electron to be by
1/1000 larger than without an electrical charge
and so it causes a corresponding increase of its
magnetic field. This explains quite precisely the
Landé factor.<br>
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The EM field emitted by the electron in case of an
acceleration is caused by the following process.
If an electron is accelerated then its shape is
relativistically distorted.<span
style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"> [agreed]</span> As a
consequence, one sub-charge is subject to a
changing electrical field of the other sub-charge.
This causes an EM radiation. - This, by the way,
is the only cause of radiation in physics, the
situation that one charge is subject to a changing
field. There is no other cause of radiation in
physics. Or do you know one?<span class=""><br>
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<div>You raise an interesting point. In an atomic
decay of H, would your model predict the radiation
to come from the electron or the proton? <br>
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I think that you refer to a state change (an H atom will not decay.)
The bind between the proton and the electron is in present physics
understood to be an electrical one. So, I expect that the radiation
is primarily caused by the change of the electrical bind between
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<div>While I find most of Wilczek's
statements to be 'correct' and useful, I
consider some to be just wrong.
Nevertheless, it is a useful reference. It
is not as authoritative as his “Origins of
Mass,” arXiv:1206.7114v2 22 Aug 2012.
However, it took me many hours of work to
derive real benefit from this latter
paper.<span> But now I have a new 'tool'.
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</span> My reference to the paper of Wilczek
refers to the following statement at the end of
his paper:<br>
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"By combining fragmentation with
superconductivity, we can get half-electrons that
are their own antiparticles. Such ‘Majorana modes’
have now been observed experimentally and promise
to have exotic properties."<br>
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This fact that half-electrons can be seen is in my
understanding one important point of his saying.
"The enigmatic electron". I see it in quite good
agreement with my model but in strong conflict
with all other electron models discussed here.<span
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<div>Thank you for the clarification. If one can
accept Quark triplets being bound, then one should
be able to accept hemi-electrons as being bound.
While I am fond of Occam's razor, I am not addicted
to it. I'll have to reconsider your model based on
your explanations.<br>
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Occam's razor is a good guide line. But it has to be supposed that
there is a real choice. If we do not have another choice than to
assume that the electron has two separate charges, then Occam should
not apply for this question.<br>
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I did not find his "enigmatic electron"
to be as useful. I have attached a
preprint to a paper that I will submit
this week that references both of
Wilczek's papers. I hope that it will be
published and might open the way for new
thinking in the photon to lepton
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</span> My feeling for electron-positron creation
or photon creation is that photons and leptons are
built in a similar way, by similar sub-particles.
But as you write:<span lang="EN-US">"there are
still pieces of the puzzle missing"</span> Do
considerations about symmetry and symmetry
breaking really help us to understand physical
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<div> I think that it may help some people accept a
process. Like you, I prefer looking at the possible
physical process first. However, I am hoping to get
this paper published as an introduction to a more
physical model. Can I recommend you as a reviewer?<br>
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Yes, of course. I shall do my best.<br>
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<div><span>Best regards,<br>
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