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Thank you this is some great information.<br>
We have been trying to replicate Cahill's flow experiment without
success<br>
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His theory may not be right, but I do believe there is a good
argument to be made for some kind of space flow model<br>
a bit along Bohm's lines<br>
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THanks, this is great<br>
<br>
Wolf<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/10/2016 8:21 PM, Hodge John wrote:<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2680">Wolf:</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2681">RE: your
reference to Cahill (Reg. And “process physics” I
presume)</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2682"> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2683">I think: the data
of spiral galaxy rotation curves (RC) and
central mass (black hole mass) REJECT Cahill’s Process Physics
hypothesis. </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2684"> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2685">RC</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2686">Figure
CahillRC.bmp attached shows the NGC3198 RC Cahill
used in arXiv 0401047 and later in arXiv 0705.27846. His
formula suggests a
flat RC for galaxies. Figure fig_RC.bmp shows data from the
observers’ papers.
The bracketed numbers refer to references. [7] <span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2687"
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"MS Mincho"">van
Albada,~T.S. et~al., 1985.<span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2688"
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>ApJ 295, 305., [8] Bosma,~A., 1981.<span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2689"
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>AJ 86, 1791 for NGC3198. </span><span
id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2690"
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2691">Pre 1992 data of
RC’s was limited and collected on equipment
that tended to smooth the data. After 1992 the equipment
improved and several
features became apparent. One such feature is that the RC
changes slope at high
radius where the pre-92 equipment couldn’t detect. However,
the idea of the
flat RC had gained hold in the social scientific community.
The difficulty has
been to explain even the simple flat RC. There are several
models that do a
fair job if cherry picking is allowed. Process Physics has not
improved on
other models. </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2692">Also, the RC’s
close to the center have velocities over 1000
km/s. This is Newtonian and drops to near (but not) zero very
rapidly - well
before Cahill’s curve begins. </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2693"> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2694">Figure
CahillBH.bmp attached shows the graph Cahill used in
arXiv:0705.27846. I looked in his original paper
(arxiv:physics/0608206) where
he lists sources for the FEW black hole mass data. However,
the problem is the
$M$ (mass of the galaxy) parameter. What is measured is the
luminosity ($L$)
(usually B-band). The $M/L$ ratio is controversial and varied.
Cahill may have
used $M/L = 6$. There are many more galaxies that have central
mass measured.
The general central mass to $L$ graph is much more dispersed
(see attached
figMcentralvsL.bmp and figMcentralvsL_2.bmp that uses Cahill’s
M scale. It
appears to me the galaxies have been cherry picked. And the
calculation of $M$
is questionable and not explained. </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2695"> </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2696">Cahill in arXiv
0705.27846 seems to use mass (m) as meaning
both inertial mass and gravitational (in the kinetic and
potential terms)
forms. He then arrives at a point he declares the Equivalence
Principle has
been derived. I think he has assumed the Equivalence Principle
from the beginning
and derived it by circular reasoning. </div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462936639863_2699">Hodge</div>
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