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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hi Vivian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thank you for your comments. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I found this one particularly satisfying…”</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> IMHO, photons are responsible for everything. They are energy and mass, related through E = mc^2 and the rotating photon structure of matter. They generate the electric and magnetic fields and are responsible for the special and general relativity corrections. That is why it is so important to understand the structure of the photon and what I believed was the purpose of this discussion group.</span><span style='color:black'>”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I have come to the same conclusion regarding the photon and the properties of space.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Have you considered the form of relativity which is dictated by matter being made from this light-speed energy, and compared it to SR? They are very close in most respects, but not exactly the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> General [mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Vivian Robinson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Matter comprised of light-speed energy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Hi Chip,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Regarding your comments, you will see from the book I sent you and my earlier paper on the proposal of an electron being a photon of the appropriate energy making two revolutions within its wavelength, it is essentially the same model as the Williamson and van der Mark. I was unaware of their work when I wrote my paper and reference and acknowledge it now. In that paper you will see a derivation for E = mc^2, in which energy is the photon travelling in a straight line and mass is the same photon making two revolutions within its wavelength. Experiment is reality. So far I am unaware of any experiment that separate those three masses, inertial, gravitational and electromagnetic.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>That same paper shows that the moving particle will subject the electron to the special relativity corrections of mass, length and time with velocity.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>You will also see that I suggested the reason a photon could travel in a circle was because it continually emitted and absorbed "virtual" photons, giving it the property of electric charge. My use of "virtual" is different from that used in QED, where they use "virtual" to indicate photons that are exchanged during electric interactions. For the rest of this presentation I will call them field photons because they are responsible for generating the electric field. I did not calculate a value for the unit electrical charge e because I required a</span><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>n unknown constant. In that case the constant may well stay as e. The rest mass of an electron, when it is not affected by an electric or magnetic field, includes the field photons being </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>emitted and absorbed. When they are influenced by an electric field they pick up or lose a photon, changing their mass and hence velocity.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>As Richard G pointed out, my calculation for the magnetic field was in error. It is suggested that the magnetic field can be explained by a combination of the rotating charge and the residual magnetic field from the direction of the photon's rotation. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Since then, John and Martin have written a paper in which they indicate there is a mathematical reason for the photon to rotate in a circle. I believe these effects are not mutually exclusive. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>As far as i am concerned, the rotating photon structure of all matter is the reason for the special relativity corrections. As far as general relativity is concerned, space-time distortion is nothing more than the effect of gravity upon the mass of a photon m = hnu/c^2. Flat Minkowski space-time is when a photon is unchanged as it moves through that space. Curved Minkowski space-time is when gravity changes the direction and/or frequency of a photon. I have written a little about that in:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://file.scirp.org/pdf/JMP_2013081410504275.pdf">http://file.scirp.org/pdf/JMP_2013081410504275.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>IMHO, photons are responsible for everything. They are energy and mass, related through E = mc^2 and the rotating photon structure of matter. They generate the electric and magnetic fields and are responsible for the special and general relativity corrections. That is why it is so important to understand the structure of the photon and what I believed was the purpose of this discussion group. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Vivian Robinson.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>PS<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>A copy of my electron paper, sent for the benefit of new participants is</span><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> in the following email.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 02/06/2016, at 12:09 AM, "Chip Akins" <<a href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">chipakins@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear John Williamson and Martin van der Mark<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Your 1997 paper on the electron may have had a much greater influence than you thought.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The aspect of this which I would like to address is the simple premise that matter is made from confined light-speed energy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If this is true then there is only one form of “relativity” which can be supported.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The consequences of matter being comprised of confined light-speed energy lead to inescapable conclusions regarding “relativity”.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Are there comments from the group?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Chip<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>General [mailto:general-<a href="mailto:bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><span style='color:purple'>bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Vladimir Tamari<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, May 29, 2016 9:30 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><span style='color:purple'>general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [General] inertia</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Richard, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>without going into the details of your model, you mentioned:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#AC193D;background:white'>"It may be that vector momentum is just not conserved within fundamental particles even though it is conserved between two or more particles in their mutual interactions"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#444444;background:white'>In cellular-automata schemes, such as my<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://vladimirtamari.com/beautiful_univ_rev_oct_2011.pdf"><span style='color:purple'>Beautiful Universe</span></a>, a particle is made up of a pattern of spinning nodes in a matrix. The same type of spinning nodes also form the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#444444'>surrounding magnetic, gravitational or electrostatic field etc. Any changes in the angular momentum or the axis of spin of the constituent nodes of a particle (or photon wave) is transmitted as a domino effect adjusting the angular momentum of surrounding nodes both internally and externally. The domino effect is diffused unto infinity in inverse-square fashion. Nothing is hidden or lost or subject to uncertainty, and energy is always conserved. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#444444'>In your case by taking the photon and electron in isolation conservation issues seem to be arising? Hope this helps.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#444444'>Best wishes</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#444444'>Vladimir</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><span style='color:purple'>richgauthier@gmail.com</span></a><br>Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 17:31:33 -0700<br>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><span style='color:purple'>general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a><br>CC:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:jsarfatti@aol.com"><span style='color:purple'>jsarfatti@aol.com</span></a><br>Subject: Re: [General] inertia</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hello all,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> I’ve been thinking about the unexplained 0.424 Newtons force acting on a circulating double-looped charged photon to keep it in its trajectory. Any double-looping-photon electron model should have this force acting on the circling photon, such John and Martin’s model and Chip’s model. The force doesn’t have an obvious source. It continuously changes the direction of the circling momentum without changing the resting energy of the photon. It may be that vector momentum is just not conserved within fundamental particles even though it is conserved between two or more particles in their mutual interactions. I believe that the Dirac equation solution for a free electron hints at this internal non-conservation of momentum also during zitterbewegung motion of the free electron whose average velocity is v but whose eigenvalue for speed is c. The position-momentum relations for the double-looped photon model of the electron, as I recall, are below or just at the the exact uncertainty expression of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle: delta x times delta p > 1/2 hbar , for position and momentum of an object in a particular coordinate direction. So it might not be possible to experimentally determine if linear momentum is conserved or not within a particle. The indirect evidence that there is such circulating momentum in a particle is the inertial mass m=Eo/c^2 of the particle as it is derived from the photon’s circulating momentum p=Eo/c . If there is circling momentum for a single particle, then momentum conservation within the particle IS being violated. An analogy: just as an electron has spin but it not experimentally known what inside it is “spinning", an electron has inertial mass but it is not known what inside the particle is “massing”. But but the spin and the inertial mass are known experimentally. A double-looping photon model explains both what is “spinning" and what is “massing" in an electron.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Richard</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>