<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div><div class="">   My electron model is built of a single circulating spin-1/2 charged photon. It is not built “by photons”. I know of no experimental evidence that a photon is a composite particle as you claim. Please cite any accepted experimental evidence that a photon is a composite particle. Thanks.</div><div class="">       Richard</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 2, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Albrecht Giese <<a href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de" class="">genmail@a-giese.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><p class="">Hello Richard,</p><p class="">Zero evidence for a composite particle? I think that the evidence
      for a composite particle model is very obvious:</p><p class="">-  The model explains the mass and the momentum of a particle
      with NO new parameters, from the scratch<br class="">
      -  The model explains the magnetic moment of a particle
      classically with no new parameters<br class="">
      -  The model explains the constancy of the spin classically<br class="">
      -  The model explains the equation E = h*f classically (was never
      deduced before)<br class="">
      -  The model explains the relativistic increase of mass and the
      mass-energy relation E=m*c^2 independent of Einstein's space-time
      ideas.</p><p class="">And what is the evidence that the electron is NOT a composite
      particle? Your electron model is built by photons, where the
      photon is also a composite particle. So, what?<br class="">
    </p><p class="">I do not know any other particle models with this ability. Do
      you? Such properties are taken as a good evidence in physics. Or
      why do main stream physics trust in the existence of an up-quark
      and a down-quark? For both there was no direct evidence in any
      experiment. The reason to accept their existence is the fact that
      this assumption makes some other facts understandable. - The model
      of a composite particle is in no way weaker.</p><p class="">Albrecht</p><p class=""><br class="">
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 31.05.2016 um 20:19 schrieb Richard
      Gauthier:<br class="">
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      <div class="">Hello Albrecht and all,</div>
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      <div class="">  Since there is zero experimental evidence that the
        electron is a composite particle, I will no longer comment on
        Albrecht's electron model, which postulates as a principal
        feature that the electron is a composite particle, unless new
        experimental evidence is found that the electron is a composite
        particle after all.</div>
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      <div class="">  Galileo’s and Newton's “law of inertia" is clearly
        an expression of conservation of momentum of objects or “bodies”
        in the absence of an imposed external net force. It
        revolutionized mechanics because Aristotle had taught
        otherwise. </div>
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      <div class="">  If a resting electron is a circulating light-speed
        electrically charged photon with circulating momentum Eo/c, then
        an external force F on the electron equals the additional rate
        of change of momentum dp/dt of the circulating charged photon
        corresponding to that external force: F=dp/dt ,  beyond the
        constant rate of change of momentum of the circulating charged
        photon. The ratio of this applied force F (for example due to an
        applied electric field) to the circulating charged photon’s
        additional acceleration “a" is called the electron's inertial
        mass and is defined by F=ma or m=F/a . There is no separate
        mass-stuff or inertia-stuff to be accelerated in a particle.
        There is only the circulating momentum Eo/c of the circling
        speed-of-light particle with rest energy Eo , that is being
        additionally accelerated by the applied force F.  Since the
        value m = Eo/c^2 of a resting particle (derived from the rate of
        change of the circulating momentum Eo/c as compared to its
        centripetal acceleration) is the same value in different
        reference frames, it is called the particle’s invariant mass m,
        but this invariant mass m is still derived from the resting
        particle’s internally circulating momentum Eo/c .  If the
        electron is moving relativistically at v < c, it has an
        additional linear momentum p=gamma mv, which when added
        vectorially to the transverse circulating momentum Eo/c gives by
        the Pythagorean theorem a total circulating vector momentum
        P=gamma Eo/c = gamma mc=E/c  where E is the electron’s total
        energy E=gamma mc^2.  This is the origin of the electron’s
        relativistic energy-momentum equation E^2 = p^2 c^2 + m^2 c^4
         which is just another way to write the Pythagorean momentum
        vector relationship above:  P^2 = p^2 + (Eo/c)^2 .</div>
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      </div>
      <div class="">  In my understanding, the Higgs field gives a
        non-zero invariant mass (without being able to predict the
        magnitude of that mass)  to certain particles according to the
        relativistic energy-momentum equation,  so that any particle
        moving at v <  c in a Higgs field has invariant mass m >
        0. But the inertia of that invariant mass m is not explained by
        the action of the Higgs field, in my understanding.</div>
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      </div>
      <div class="">  To try to theoretically explain why a photon has
        momentum p = hf/c and energy E=hf is a separate topic beyond
        trying to explain why a particle has inertial mass, or
        resistance to acceleration by an applied force.</div>
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      <div class="">     Richard</div>
      <div class="">  </div>
      <br class="">
      <div class="">
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          <div class="">On May 30, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Albrecht Giese <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>
            wrote:</div>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><p class="">Hello Richard,</p><p class="">your new paper has again a lot of nice
                mathematics. However, it again does not answer the
                question of inertia. As earlier, you relate the inertial
                mass of an electron to the mass of the circling photon
                which builds in your understanding the electron. Then
                the mass and the momentum of the electron is calculated
                from the mass and momentum of the photon. <br class="">
                <br class="">
                Such calculation is of course possible if one follows
                this picture of an electron. However, it does not answer
                the question of what the cause of inertia and momentum
                of the photon is. You take this as an 'a priory' fact.
                But this is not our present state of understanding.
                Physics are able to go deeper. <br class="">
                <br class="">
                You write in your paper: "The fact is that the inertial
                property of the mass of elementary particles is not
                understood". How can you write this? Main stream physics
                have the Higgs model which is assumed to describe the
                mass of elementary particles. And I have presented a
                model which uses the fact that any extended object
                inevitably has inertia. The reason is, as you know, that
                the fields of the constituents of an extended object
                propagate with the finite speed of light. If the
                extension of an elementary particle is taken from its
                magnetic moment, this model provides very precisely the
                mass, the momentum, and a lot of other parameters and
                properties of a particle. <br class="">
                <br class="">
                If you intend to explain the mass of an electron by the
                mass of a photon, you should have an appropriate
                explanation of the mass and other parameters of a
                photon. Otherwise I do not see any real progress in the
                considerations of your paper. <br class="">
                <br class="">
                Albrecht</p><p class=""><br class="">
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.05.2016 um 07:40
                schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br class="">
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                <div class="">Hello Vladimir,</div>
                <div class="">   Thanks. That could be an explanation.
                  But I’m hoping I can find a simpler explanation, if
                  possible.</div>
                <div class="">       Richard</div>
                <br class="">
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                    <div class="">On May 29, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Vladimir
                      Tamari <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vladimirtamari@hotmail.com" class="">vladimirtamari@hotmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:</div>
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                            Richard, </font></div>
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                        <div class=""><font class="" size="3">without
                            going into the details of your model, you
                            mentioned:</font></div>
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                          </font></div>
                        <div class=""><span style="line-height: 21.3px;
                            background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font class="" color="#ac193d" size="3">"It may be that vector momentum
                              is just not conserved within fundamental
                              particles even though it is conserved
                              between two or more particles in their
                              mutual interactions"</font></span></div>
                        <div class=""><span style="color: rgb(68, 68,
                            68); line-height: 21.3px; background-color:
                            rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font class="" size="3"><br class="">
                            </font></span></div>
                        <div class=""><font class="" color="#444444" size="3"><span style="line-height: 21.3px;
                              background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">In cellular-automata schemes,
                              such as my<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://vladimirtamari.com/beautiful_univ_rev_oct_2011.pdf" class="">Beautiful Universe</a>,  a
                              particle is made up of a pattern of
                              spinning nodes in a matrix. The same type
                              of spinning nodes also form the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="line-height: 21.3px;" class="">surrounding
                              magnetic, gravitational or electrostatic
                              field etc.  Any changes in the angular
                              momentum or the axis of spin of
                              the constituent nodes of a particle (or
                              photon wave) is transmitted as a domino
                              effect adjusting the angular momentum of
                              surrounding nodes both internally and
                              externally. The domino effect is diffused
                              unto infinity in inverse-square fashion.
                              Nothing is hidden or lost or subject to
                              uncertainty, and energy is always
                              conserved. </span></font></div>
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                            </span></font></div>
                        <div class=""><font class="" color="#444444" size="3"><span style="line-height: 21.3px;" class="">In your case by taking the photon
                              and electron in isolation conservation
                              issues seem to be arising? </span></font><span style="line-height: 21.3px; color: rgb(68,
                            68, 68); font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hope
                            this helps.</span></div>
                        <div class=""><font class="" color="#444444" size="3"><span style="line-height: 21.3px;" class="">Best wishes</span></font></div>
                        <div class=""><font class="" color="#444444" size="3"><span style="line-height: 21.3px;" class="">Vladimir</span></font></div>
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                            <hr id="stopSpelling" class="">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a><br class="">
                            Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 17:31:33 -0700<br class="">
                            To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" class="">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br class="">
                            CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jsarfatti@aol.com" class="">jsarfatti@aol.com</a><br class="">
                            Subject: Re: [General] inertia<br class="">
                            <br class="">
                            <div class="">Hello all,</div>
                            <div class="">  I’ve been thinking about the
                              unexplained 0.424 Newtons force acting on
                              a circulating double-looped charged photon
                              to keep it in its trajectory. Any
                              double-looping-photon electron model
                              should have this force acting on the
                              circling photon, such John and Martin’s
                              model and Chip’s model.  The force doesn’t
                              have an obvious source. It continuously
                              changes the direction of the circling
                              momentum without changing the resting
                              energy of the photon. It may be that
                              vector momentum is just not conserved
                              within fundamental particles even though
                              it is conserved between two or more
                              particles in their mutual interactions. I
                              believe that the Dirac equation solution
                              for a free electron hints at this internal
                              non-conservation of momentum  also during
                              zitterbewegung motion of the free electron
                              whose average velocity is v but whose
                              eigenvalue for speed is c. The
                              position-momentum relations for the
                              double-looped photon model of the
                              electron, as I recall, are below or just
                              at the  the exact uncertainty expression
                              of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle:
                              delta x  times delta p > 1/2   hbar ,
                              for position and momentum of an object in
                              a particular coordinate direction. So it
                              might not be possible to experimentally
                              determine if linear momentum is conserved
                              or not within a particle. The indirect
                              evidence that there is such circulating
                              momentum in a particle is the inertial
                              mass m=Eo/c^2 of the particle as it is
                              derived from the photon’s circulating
                              momentum p=Eo/c . If there is circling
                              momentum for a single particle, then
                              momentum conservation within the particle
                              IS being violated. An analogy: just as an
                              electron has spin but it not
                              experimentally known what inside it is
                              “spinning", an electron has inertial mass
                              but it is not known what inside the
                              particle is “massing”. But but the spin
                              and the inertial mass are known
                              experimentally. A double-looping photon
                              model explains both what is “spinning" and
                              what is “massing" in an electron.</div>
                            <div class="">     Richard</div>
                            <br class="">
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                                <div class="">On May 27, 2016, at 11:50
                                  AM, Richard Gauthier <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>>
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                                    <div class="">Hello all,</div>
                                    <div class="">Jack Sarfatti, a
                                      well-known physicist, wrote back
                                      to me about my article saying that
                                      no one cares about this work, that
                                      it is just re-inventing the wheel
                                      and that it is not a good problem
                                      to work on. Comments?</div>
                                    <div class="">     Richard</div>
                                    <br class="">
                                    <div class="">
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                                        <div class="">On May 26, 2016,
                                          at 8:25 PM, Richard Gauthier
                                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>>
                                          wrote:</div>
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                                            <div class="">Dear John W,
                                              Martin, Chandra,
                                              Alexander, Chip, Andrew,
                                              Vivian, Albrecht, John M,
                                              David and all,</div>
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                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <span id="ecxcid:16EB32ED-15F5-4669-9E25-C792C203C28F@hsd1.ca.comcast.net." class=""><A New
                                            Derivation of E=mc^2
                                            explains a particle's
                                            inertia.pdf></span>
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                                            <div class="">Here’s my
                                              latest input to the
                                              inertia/particles
                                              discussion: my proposed
                                              new derivation of Eo=mc^2
                                              and the inertial mass of a
                                              particle from the momentum
                                              of a circling photon.</div>
                                            <div class="">     Richard</div>
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                                                <div class="">On May 17,
                                                  2016, at 6:47 PM,
                                                  Richard Gauthier <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>>
                                                  wrote:</div>
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                                                  <div style="word-wrap:
                                                    break-word;" class="">David
                                                    <div class=""> 
                                                      These newly
                                                      discovered photons
                                                      seem very similar
                                                      to
                                                      helically-moving
                                                      spin-1/2 charged
                                                      photons, except
                                                      for their lack of
                                                      electric charge.
                                                      Perhaps these new
                                                      spin-1/2 photons
                                                      become spin-1/2
                                                      charged photons
                                                      when they curl up
                                                      in pairs of
                                                      photons with
                                                      opposite charge,
                                                      as in e-p pair
                                                      production : "<span style="color:
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                                                        font-family:
                                                        Roboto;
                                                        font-size: 16px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Researchers made their
                                                        discovery after
                                                        passing light
                                                        through special
                                                        crystals to
                                                        create a light
                                                        beam with a
                                                        hollow,
                                                        screw-like
                                                        structure. Using
                                                        quantum
                                                        mechanics, the
                                                        physicists
                                                        theorized that
                                                        the beam's
                                                        twisting photons
                                                        were being
                                                        slowed to a
                                                        half-integer of
                                                        Planck's
                                                        constant.</span><font class="" face="Roboto" color="#333333" size="3">”</font></div>
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                                                          Richard</span></font></div>
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                                                          <div class="">On
                                                          May 17, 2016,
                                                          at 1:56 PM,
                                                          <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>> <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:</div>
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                                                          <div id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808" class=""><span class=""><br class="">
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808" class=""><span id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6125" class="">If pbotons weren't
                                                          confusing
                                                          enough...just
                                                          as Williams
                                                          proposed a
                                                          quantum number
                                                          for energy,
                                                          these
                                                          researchers
                                                          are proposing
                                                          a quantum
                                                          number for
                                                          angular
                                                          momentum.</span></div>
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                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6237" class=""><span id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6238" class="">The article</span></div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr" id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6239" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2016/05/17/Scientists-discover-new-form-of-light/9061463490086/" id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6240" target="_blank" class="">Scientists
                                                          discover new
                                                          form of light</a><br id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6241" class="">
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                                                          <div id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808" dir="ltr" class=""><span id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6193" style="color: rgb(51, 51,
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                                                          newly
                                                          discovered
                                                          form of light,
                                                          however,
                                                          features
                                                          photons with
                                                          an angular
                                                          momentum of
                                                          just half the
                                                          value of
                                                          Planck's
                                                          constant. The
                                                          difference
                                                          sounds small,
                                                          but
                                                          researchers
                                                          say the
                                                          significance
                                                          of the
                                                          discovery is
                                                          great.'</span><span class=""><br class="">
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                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808" class="">The
                                                          paper<br class="">
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                                                          <div id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5825" dir="ltr" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/4/e1501748.full" id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5937" class="ecxenhancr2_bf135610-f16d-2671-d86c-6194a194d730" target="_blank">There
                                                          are many ways
                                                          to spin a
                                                          photon:
                                                          Half-quantization
                                                          of a total
                                                          optical
                                                          angular
                                                          momentum |
                                                          Science
                                                          Advances</a><br class="">
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                                                          <hr class="" size="1"><b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Richard
                                                          Gauthier <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
                                                          <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature
                                                          of Light and
                                                          Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion
                                                          <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                                          <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alexander
                                                          Burinskii <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bur@ibrae.ac.ru"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bur@ibrae.ac.ru">bur@ibrae.ac.ru</a>><br class="">
                                                          <b class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday,
                                                          May 14, 2016
                                                          12:30 AM<br class="">
                                                          <b id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6278" class=""><span id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6277" style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] inertia<br class="">
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326" id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5861">Hello Chandra and all,</div>
                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326" id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5854">   This is very good news.
                                                          I’ve been
                                                          reading
                                                          several of
                                                          Alexander
                                                          Burinskii’s
                                                          recent (2015
                                                          and 2016)
                                                          published
                                                          papers on his
                                                          Kerr-Newman
                                                          bag model of
                                                          the electron
                                                          (2 pdf’s
                                                          attached). His
                                                          approach
                                                          integrates
                                                          black-hole
                                                          gravitational
                                                          theory, Higgs
                                                          theory and
                                                          electromagnetism
                                                          to produce a
                                                          internally-light-speed
                                                          model of the
                                                          electron with
                                                          radius
                                                          hbar/2mc like
                                                          John W and
                                                          Martin’s,
                                                          Chip’s,
                                                          Vivian’s and
                                                          my
                                                          double-looping-photon
                                                          electron
                                                          models.
                                                          Alexander's
                                                          electron model
                                                          is
                                                          energetically
                                                          stable,
                                                          contains a
                                                          circulating
                                                          light-speed
                                                          singularity (a
                                                          photon?) in
                                                          addition to an
electromagnetic wave circling along its outer rim along a circular
                                                          gravitational
                                                          string, has
                                                          g=2 (Dirac
                                                          magnetic
                                                          moment of
                                                          magnitude 1
                                                          Bohr
                                                          magneton), is
                                                          a fermion and
                                                          carries the
                                                          electron’s
                                                          charge. I
                                                          think
                                                          Alexander’s
                                                          electron model
                                                          has much to
                                                          offer, coming
                                                          from a
                                                          different
                                                          perspective
                                                          than much of
                                                          our group’s
                                                          electron
                                                          modeling. I
                                                          request
                                                          Alexander to
                                                          give us a
                                                          summary of the
                                                          key features
                                                          (and perhaps a
                                                          brief history)
                                                          of his
                                                          electron
                                                          model,
                                                          emphasizing
                                                          the nature of
                                                          its stability
                                                          (an important
                                                          issue in
                                                          circling-photon
                                                          electron
                                                          models.) I
                                                          hope that this
                                                          will stimulate
                                                          a critical
                                                          discussion of
                                                          his approach
                                                          in comparison
                                                          with our
                                                          various
                                                          approaches to
                                                          electron
                                                          modeling,
                                                          which could
                                                          lead to better
light-speed-based electron models coming up to the next SPIE “What are
                                                          photons”
                                                          conference in
                                                          San Diego in
                                                          August 2017.</div>
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                                                             Richard  </div>
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">On
                                                          May 12, 2016,
                                                          at 6:12 PM,
                                                          Roychoudhuri,
                                                          Chandra <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu">chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</a>>
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">I
                                                          will request
                                                          Burinskii to
                                                          participate in
                                                          our next
                                                          conference. </div>
                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">Chandra. </div>
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                                                          --------
                                                          Original
                                                          message
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                                                          From: Richard
                                                          Gauthier <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          Date:
                                                          5/12/2016 2:09
                                                          AM (GMT-05:00)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          To: Nature of
                                                          Light and
                                                          Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion
                                                          <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          Cc: Alexander
                                                          Burinskii <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bur@ibrae.ac.ru"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bur@ibrae.ac.ru">bur@ibrae.ac.ru</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          inertia<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">Dear
                                                          John W,
                                                          Martin,
                                                          Chandra,
                                                          Vivian,
                                                          Andrew, John
                                                          M, Chip,
                                                          Albrecht,
                                                          Hodge and
                                                          others,</div>
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                                                           I am in
                                                          contact with
                                                          the Russian
                                                          physicist and
                                                          academician
                                                          Alexander
                                                          Burinskii
                                                          (arXiv page of
                                                          his articles
                                                          at<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Alexander+Burinskii/0/1/0/all/0/1"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Alexander+Burinskii/0/1/0/all/0/1">http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Alexander+Burinskii/0/1/0/all/0/1</a> ,
                                                          biography at<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.scirp.org/journal/DetailedInforOfEditorialBoard.aspx?personID=10183"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.scirp.org/journal/DetailedInforOfEditorialBoard.aspx?personID=10183">http://www.scirp.org/journal/DetailedInforOfEditorialBoard.aspx?personID=10183</a> ),
                                                          who has
                                                          written a very
                                                          interesting
                                                          article on
                                                          arXiv:
                                                          “Gravity vs.
                                                          quantum
                                                          theory: Is the
                                                          electron
                                                          really
                                                          pointlike?”
                                                          at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.0225"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.0225">http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.0225</a> .
                                                          He draws on
                                                          the
                                                          interesting
                                                          resemblance of
                                                          Kerr-Newman
                                                          gravity
                                                          formulations
                                                          to the
                                                          properties of
                                                          the Dirac
                                                          electron as a
                                                          light-speed
                                                          particle that
                                                          can only be
                                                          measured at
                                                          sub-light
                                                          speeds. Here’s
                                                          part of the
                                                          abstract:</div>
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                                                          rgb(255, 255,
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                                                          to the
                                                          widespread
                                                          opinion that
                                                          gravity plays
                                                          essential role
                                                          only on the
                                                          Planck scales,
                                                          the
                                                          Kerr-Newman
                                                          gravity
                                                          displays a new
                                                          dimensional
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                                                          for parameters
                                                          of an electron
                                                          corresponds to
                                                          the Compton
                                                          wavelength and
                                                          turns out to
                                                          be very far
                                                          from the
                                                          Planck scale.
                                                          Extremely
                                                          large spin of
                                                          the electron
                                                          with respect
                                                          to its mass
                                                          produces the
                                                          Kerr geometry
                                                          without
                                                          horizon, which
                                                          displays very
                                                          essential
                                                          topological
                                                          changes at the
                                                          Compton
                                                          distance
                                                          resulting in a
                                                          two-fold
                                                          structure of
                                                          the electron
                                                          background.
                                                          The
                                                          corresponding
                                                          gravitational
                                                          and
                                                          electromagnetic
                                                          fields of the
                                                          electron are
                                                          concentrated
                                                          near the Kerr
                                                          ring, forming
                                                          a sort of a
                                                          closed string,
                                                          structure of
                                                          which is close
                                                          to the
                                                          described by
                                                          Sen heterotic
                                                          string. The
                                                          indicated by
                                                          Gravity
                                                          stringlike
                                                          structure of
                                                          the electron
                                                          contradicts to
                                                          the statements
                                                          of Quantum
                                                          theory that
                                                          electron is
                                                          pointlike and
                                                          structureless.
                                                          However, it
                                                          confirms the
                                                          peculiar role
                                                          of the Compton
                                                          zone of the
                                                          "dressed"
                                                          electron and
                                                          matches with
                                                          the known
                                                          limit of the
                                                          localization
                                                          of the Dirac
                                                          electron." </span></div>
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326"> 
                                                           I think that
                                                          there some
                                                          potential for
                                                          Alexander
                                                          Burinskii's
                                                          Kerr-Newman
                                                          gravity
                                                          approach to
                                                          the electron
                                                          and the
                                                          various
                                                          double-looping
                                                          photon models
                                                          of the
                                                          electron to
                                                          find some
                                                          common ground
                                                          which may
                                                          benefit both
                                                          approaches to
                                                          modeling the
                                                          electron. In
                                                          particular the
                                                          centripetal
                                                          force of 0.424
                                                          N causing a
                                                          photon of
                                                          energy 0.511
                                                          MeV to move in
                                                          a closed
                                                          double-looping
                                                          trajectory of
                                                          radius
                                                          Ro=hbar/2mc in
                                                          a resting
                                                          electron model
                                                          could be
                                                          related to the
                                                          gravitational
                                                          and
                                                          electromagnetic
                                                          fields and
                                                          gravity
                                                          stringlike
                                                          structure of
                                                          the
                                                          Kerr-Newman
                                                          electron
                                                          model. </div>
                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326"> 
                                                            Richard</div>
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">
                                                          <blockquote class="ecxyiv2438876326">
                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">On
                                                          May 9, 2016,
                                                          at 4:37 AM,
                                                          Albrecht Giese
                                                          <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>> wrote:</div>
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none">
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326moz-cite-prefix">Hello
                                                          Richard,<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          it is true
                                                          that we do not
                                                          know
                                                          everything in
                                                          physics
                                                          (otherwise
                                                          there would be
                                                          no reason for
                                                          further
                                                          research).
                                                          However, many
                                                          facts and
                                                          rules are
                                                          understood,
                                                          and I do not
                                                          see a good
                                                          reason to go
                                                          behind this
                                                          knowledge.<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          From my
                                                          2-particle
                                                          model it
                                                          follows for
                                                          leptons and
                                                          for quarks
                                                          that there is
                                                          E = h*ny. The
                                                          frequency is
                                                          the
                                                          circulation,
                                                          the energy
                                                          follows from
                                                          the mass which
                                                          the model
                                                          yields, when
                                                          using E =
                                                          m*c^2. This
                                                          latter
                                                          relation also
                                                          follows from
                                                          this model. (I
                                                          have presented
                                                          all this in
                                                          San Diego; it
                                                          was also
                                                          discussed here
                                                          earlier as I
                                                          remember; and
                                                          it is on my
                                                          web site "The
                                                          Origin of
                                                          Mass". Of
                                                          course I can
                                                          explain it
                                                          here again if
                                                          there is a
                                                          demand.)<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          As these
                                                          relations
                                                          obviously also
                                                          apply to the
                                                          photon, it
                                                          seems very
                                                          plausible that
                                                          the photon has
                                                          a similar
                                                          structure like
                                                          a lepton and a
                                                          quark. The
                                                          rules apply if
                                                          c is inserted
                                                          for the speed.
                                                          This also
                                                          leads to
                                                          p=h*ny/c.<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          And which
                                                          further
                                                          details do we
                                                          know about the
                                                          photon? It
                                                          must have an
                                                          extension as
                                                          it has a spin
                                                          which is
                                                          physically not
                                                          possible
                                                          without an
                                                          extension. And
                                                          it must have
                                                          charges as it
                                                          reacts with an
                                                          electric field
                                                          which is
                                                          otherwise not
                                                          explainable.
                                                          There must be
                                                          at least two
                                                          charges, a
                                                          positive and a
                                                          negative one,
                                                          as the photon
                                                          as a whole is
                                                          neutral. The
                                                          spin is twice
                                                          the one of a
                                                          lepton or a
                                                          quark, this
                                                          may be an
                                                          indication
                                                          that the
                                                          photon is
                                                          built by 4
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          rather than 2
                                                          of the kind
                                                          which I have
                                                          described.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          So, if the
                                                          photon has
                                                          positive and
                                                          negative
                                                          charges, which
                                                          means that it
                                                          has
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          with positive
                                                          and negative
                                                          charges, it is
                                                          quite
                                                          plausible that
                                                          the photon can
                                                          decompose into
                                                          a positive and
                                                          a negative
                                                          elementary
                                                          particle, so
                                                          into a
                                                          positron and
                                                          an electron.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          (You may call
                                                          this
                                                          speculative.
                                                          But it has
                                                          some strongly
                                                          plausible
                                                          aspects which
                                                          I am missing
                                                          in the other
                                                          models
                                                          presented
                                                          here.)<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          The curling-up
                                                          which you have
                                                          mentioned has
                                                          an orbital
                                                          component. To
                                                          move on an
                                                          orbit needs
                                                          some physical
                                                          conditions.
                                                          E.g. an
                                                          influence
                                                          which causes
                                                          the
                                                          acceleration
                                                          to its center.
                                                          This should be
                                                          physically
                                                          explained.<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          The conflict
                                                          between the
                                                          necessary
                                                          Higgs field
                                                          and the vacuum
                                                          field in the
                                                          universe is
                                                          treated in the
                                                          article of
                                                          F.J. Tipler in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <span class="ecxyiv2438876326st"><em class="ecxyiv2438876326">arXiv</em>:<em class="ecxyiv2438876326">astro</em>-<em class="ecxyiv2438876326">ph</em>/<em class="ecxyiv2438876326">0111520v1
                                                          .<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></em>It
                                                          is well known
                                                          by particle
                                                          physicists   I
                                                          have at
                                                          conferences
                                                          here<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="ecxyiv2438876326st">asked<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="ecxyiv2438876326st">several times the presenters of the Higgs
                                                          model for this
                                                          discrepancy.
                                                          They have
                                                          always
                                                          admitted that
                                                          this conflict
                                                          exists, but
                                                          some have
                                                          tried to blame
                                                          the
                                                          astronomers
                                                          for it. No one
                                                          ever has
                                                          presented a
                                                          solution for
                                                          the conflict.<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          Albrecht</span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          <br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          Am 07.05.2016
                                                          um 23:32
                                                          schrieb
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier:<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="ecxyiv2438876326">
                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">Hello
                                                          Albrecht,</div>
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                                                            Thank your
                                                          for your
                                                          further
                                                          comments and
                                                          questions.</div>
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                                                            Your are
                                                          asking me why
                                                          photons have
                                                          momentum
                                                          p=hv/c .
                                                          That’s like
                                                          asking why
                                                          photons have
                                                          energy E=hv .
                                                          In physics
                                                          nobody knows
                                                          “why” anything
                                                          happens.
                                                          “Why?”
                                                          questions
                                                          always lead
                                                          back to a big
                                                          unknown.
                                                          Physicists
                                                          observe nature
                                                          qualitatively
                                                          and
                                                          quantitatively
                                                          and search for
                                                          cause-effect
                                                          relations,
                                                           equations,
                                                          theoretical
                                                          models and
                                                          symmetry
                                                          relations that
                                                          work ("save
                                                          the
                                                          appearances"),
                                                          and lead to
                                                          further and
                                                          better (more
                                                          accurate)
                                                          physical
                                                          predictions
                                                          that often
                                                          lead to
                                                          practical
                                                          applications
                                                          and hopefully
                                                          deeper
                                                          “understanding”
                                                          of physical
                                                          phenomena.</div>
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                                                             You ask why
                                                          a spin-1/2
                                                          photon curls
                                                          up. You could
                                                          just as well
                                                          ask why a
                                                          spin-1 photon
                                                          doesn’t curl
                                                          up, since it
                                                          has spin. (My
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          model of a
                                                          spin-1 photon
                                                          at<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron">https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> is a helical model that is
                                                          consistent
                                                          with  both a
                                                          photon's
                                                          spin-1 hbar
                                                          and its
                                                          forward linear
                                                          momentum
                                                          p=h/lambda). </div>
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                                                              Your own
                                                          comments on
                                                          the possible
                                                          nature and
                                                          make-up of
                                                          photons are
                                                          extremely
                                                          speculative to
                                                          say the least.
                                                          You have no
                                                          photon model
                                                          at all. There
                                                          is zero
                                                          experimental
                                                          evidence that
                                                          a photon is
                                                          composite. You
                                                          should at
                                                          least try to
                                                          show how a
                                                          sufficiently
                                                          energetic
                                                          photon leads
                                                          to your
                                                          electron model
                                                          in
                                                          electron-positron
                                                          pair
                                                          production.</div>
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                                                              You claim
                                                          that
                                                          astronomers
                                                          deny the
                                                          existence of a
                                                          Higgs field
                                                          strong enough
                                                          to explain
                                                          noticeable
                                                          forces in
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles.
                                                          That is a
                                                          blanket
                                                          statement that
                                                          needs
                                                          supporting
                                                          evidence.
                                                          Please support
                                                          your claim
                                                          here with
                                                          sources. It’s
                                                          like claiming
                                                          that
                                                          “scientists
                                                          say”.  Thanks.</div>
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                                                                Richard</div>
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">On
                                                          May 7, 2016,
                                                          at 10:23 AM,
                                                          Albrecht Giese
                                                          <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>> wrote:</div>
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                                                          Richard,<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
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                                                          thank you for
                                                          your mail. I
                                                          still have
                                                          questions to
                                                          your
                                                          explanations:<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
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                                                          To para 1):<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          According to
                                                          you
                                                          explanations
                                                          the circular
                                                          motion is
                                                          mainly
                                                          achieved by
                                                          the fact that
                                                          the particles
                                                          are "curling
                                                          up". Which
                                                          physical law
                                                          do you have in
                                                          mind that
                                                          causes them to
                                                          curl up? What
                                                          are the
                                                          quantitative
                                                          consequences?
                                                          - You say that
                                                          there is a
                                                          "configurational"
                                                          force which
                                                          controls the
                                                          internal
                                                          motion of an
                                                          electron and a
                                                          positron. You
                                                          assume that
                                                          this may come
                                                          from the Higgs
                                                          field. I think
                                                          that this is
                                                          highly
                                                          speculative as
                                                          astronomers
                                                          deny the
                                                          existence of a
                                                          Higgs field
                                                          which is
                                                          strong enough
                                                          to be an
                                                          explanation
                                                          for noticeable
                                                          forces in
                                                          elementary
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                                                          The momentum
                                                          of a photon is
                                                          h<span class="ecxyiv2438876326" style="font-family: Symbol;">*n</span><span class="ecxyiv2438876326Apple-converted-space"> </span>y/c,
                                                          true. But what
                                                          is the
                                                          physical
                                                          mechanism
                                                          causing this
                                                          momentum?
                                                          Still not
                                                          answered.<span class="ecxyiv2438876326Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
                                                          I believe that
                                                          my mass
                                                          mechanism is
                                                          applicable to
                                                          the photon.
                                                          The photon has
                                                          an extension,
                                                          so it has
                                                          inertia by the
                                                          standard
                                                          mechanism for
                                                          extended
                                                          objects. And
                                                          in addition I
                                                          think that the
                                                          photon may be
                                                          composed by
                                                          the same
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          ("basic
                                                          particles")
                                                          like leptons
                                                          and quarks.
                                                          The question
                                                          still open for
                                                          me is, why the
                                                          photon moves
                                                          steadily with
                                                          c. An
                                                          explanation
                                                          may be that it
                                                          moves always
                                                          into a certain
                                                          direction with
                                                          respect to its
                                                          internal set
                                                          up. On the
                                                          other hand,
                                                          the fact that
                                                          the rest mass
                                                          of the photon
                                                          is zero is
                                                          nothing more
                                                          than a
                                                          mathematical
                                                          result. Was
                                                          never
                                                          measured.<span class="ecxyiv2438876326Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
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                                                          Albrecht<span class="ecxyiv2438876326Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
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                                                          Am Sat, 30 Apr
                                                          2016 um
                                                          17:22:00
                                                          schrieb
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier:<br class="ecxyiv2438876326" clear="none">
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">Hello
                                                          Albrecht,</div>
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                                                           <span class="ecxyiv2438876326Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thank
                                                          you for your
                                                          two thoughtful
                                                          questions.</div>
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">To
                                                          try to answer
                                                          them:</div>
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">1)
                                                          I think it is
                                                          an incorrect
                                                          assumption
                                                          that only a
                                                          second
                                                          electric
                                                          charge or a
                                                          corresponding
                                                          permanent
                                                          field can
                                                          cause a
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          to move in a
                                                          circular or
                                                          helical
                                                          configuration.
                                                          Have you
                                                          considered
                                                          other possible
                                                          explanations?
                                                          One I have
                                                          considered, in
                                                          the context of
                                                          e-p
                                                          production, is
                                                          that two
                                                          uncharged
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          photons of are
                                                          formed in the
                                                          process of
                                                          electron-positron
                                                          pair
                                                          production
                                                          from a spin-1
                                                          photon of
                                                          sufficient
                                                          energy
                                                          (greater than
                                                          1.022 MeV). At
                                                          first the two
                                                          uncharged
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          photons both
                                                          move forward
                                                          together in a
                                                          kind of
                                                          unstable
                                                          equilibrium.
                                                          One has a
                                                          negative
                                                          charge
                                                          potentiality
                                                          and the other
                                                          has a positive
                                                          charge
                                                          potentiality,
                                                          yet both are
                                                          still neutral.
                                                          These two
                                                          uncharged
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          photons can
                                                          either then
                                                          unite with
                                                          each other to
                                                          form a spin-1
                                                          photon, or
                                                          they can
                                                          separate in
                                                          the presence
                                                          of a nearby
                                                          charged
                                                          nucleus and
                                                          each curl up,
                                                          gaining
                                                          negative and
                                                          positive
                                                          charge
                                                          respectively,
                                                          as well as
                                                          rest mass
                                                          Eo/c^2, and
                                                          slowing down
                                                          (as they
                                                          become an
                                                          electron and
                                                          positron) to
                                                          less than
                                                          light-speed as
                                                          they curl up.
                                                          (Internally
                                                          these spin-1/2
                                                          charged
                                                          photons
                                                          maintain
                                                          light-speed c
                                                          in their
                                                          forward
                                                          direction, but
                                                          their
                                                          curled-up
                                                          configurations
                                                          as a electron
                                                          and a positron
                                                          have v < c
                                                          .) Once they
                                                          are both fully
                                                          curled up to
                                                          form a fully
                                                          charged
                                                          electron and
                                                          positron, they
                                                          continue to
                                                          move apart.
                                                          Now they each
                                                          have a stable
                                                          internal
                                                          equilibrium
                                                          (because of
                                                          conservation
                                                          of electric
                                                          charge) and
                                                          they cannot
                                                          individually
                                                          unroll (except
                                                          perhaps
                                                          virtually) to
                                                          become an
                                                          uncharged
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          photon, and so
                                                          they remain a
                                                          stable
                                                          electron and a
                                                          stable
                                                          positron.
                                                          Their own
                                                          charged
                                                          curled-up
                                                          stable
                                                          equilibrium
                                                          maintains them
                                                          in their
                                                          curled-up
                                                          configurations,
                                                          supplying the
                                                          necessary
                                                          configurational
                                                          force that
                                                          maintains
                                                          their
                                                          circulating
                                                          motion to form
                                                          an electron or
                                                          a positron.
                                                          This
                                                          configurational
                                                          force that
                                                          maintains each
                                                          of them curled
                                                          up would be a
                                                          non-electrical
                                                          force. Perhaps
                                                          this
                                                          configurational
                                                          force that
                                                          maintains the
                                                          electron and
                                                          the positron
                                                          curled up with
                                                          rest mass and
                                                          moving at less
                                                          than
                                                          light-speed c,
                                                          comes from the
                                                          Higgs field.</div>
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                                                           <span class="ecxyiv2438876326Apple-converted-space"> </span>When
                                                          an electron
                                                          and positron
                                                          meet, they may
                                                          first form a
                                                          positronium
                                                          atom. Then
                                                          they both
                                                          uncurl and
                                                          unite to form
                                                          an unstable
                                                          neutral
                                                          particle which
                                                          decays
                                                          immediately
                                                          into two or
                                                          three spin-1
                                                          photons, in
                                                          the process of
electron-positron annihilation.</div>
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">2)
                                                          Why does the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          have momentum?
                                                          you ask.  It
                                                          is because it
                                                          is a photon
                                                          with momentum
                                                          hv/c . My
                                                          model of the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          is similar to
                                                          my internally
                                                          transluminal
                                                          model of an
                                                          uncharged
                                                          photon, except
                                                           that the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          makes two
                                                          helical loops
                                                          instead of one
                                                          per photon
                                                          wavelength,
                                                          and the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          model's
                                                          helical radius
                                                          is 1/2 that of
                                                          the helical
                                                          radius of a
                                                          spin-1 photon
                                                          model , being
                                                          R=lambda/4pi
                                                          instead of
                                                          lambda/2 pi.
                                                          The uncurled
                                                          transluminal
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          uncharged
                                                          photon model
                                                          curls up
                                                          nicely into a
                                                          curled-up
                                                          double-looping
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          model of an
                                                          electron. You
                                                          can read about
                                                          my
                                                          superluminal
                                                          uncharged
                                                          photon model
                                                          at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron">https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron</a> or
                                                          I can e-mail
                                                          you a copy. I
                                                          have only
                                                          talked about
                                                          my current
                                                          model of the
                                                          superluminal
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          on the “Nature
                                                          of Light and
                                                          Particles”
                                                          e-list during
                                                          the past year.</div>
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">I
                                                          hope these
                                                          possible
                                                          explanations
                                                          of the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged-photon
                                                          model are
                                                          helpful. I
                                                          don’t think
                                                          that you have
                                                          a photon model
                                                          yet that is
                                                          consistent
                                                          with your
                                                          two-particle
                                                          electron
                                                          model, in
                                                          terms of e-p
                                                          production and
                                                          e-p
                                                          annihilation.</div>
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                                                          <div class="ecxyiv2438876326">The
                                                          figure below,
                                                          which I
                                                          included in
                                                          this e-list
                                                          some months
                                                          ago, shows a
                                                          curled-up spin
                                                          1/2 charged
                                                          photon forming
                                                          a resting
                                                          electron (top
                                                          graphic) and
                                                          at different
                                                          increasing
                                                          relativistic
                                                          speeds (lower
                                                          graphics). The
                                                          green line is
                                                          the
                                                          double-looping
                                                          helical
                                                          trajectory of
                                                          the
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged photon
                                                          forming the
                                                          electron,
                                                          while the red
                                                          line is the
                                                          trajectory of
                                                          the
                                                          superluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          of the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          photon model.
                                                          The
                                                          superluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          in the resting
                                                          electron moves
                                                          on the surface
                                                          of a
                                                          mathematical
                                                          horn torus. As
                                                          the speed v of
                                                          the electron
                                                          model
                                                          increases, the
                                                          radius of the
                                                          green helical
                                                          trajectory
                                                          decreases as
                                                          1/gamma^2 ,
                                                          while  the
                                                          radius of the
                                                          red trajectory
                                                          of the
                                                          superluminal
                                                          quantum
                                                          decreases as
                                                          1/gamma. </div>
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