<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 1, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Vivian Robinson <<a href="mailto:viv@universephysics.com" class="">viv@universephysics.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252" class=""><base href="x-msg://805/" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; " class=""><font size="4" class="">Hi Chip,</font><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Regarding your comments, you will see from the book I sent you and my earlier paper on the proposal of an electron being a photon of the appropriate energy making two revolutions within its wavelength, it is essentially the same model as the Williamson and van der Mark. I was unaware of their work when I wrote my paper and reference and acknowledge it now. In that paper you will see a derivation for E = mc^2, in which energy is the photon travelling in a straight line and mass is the same photon making two revolutions within its wavelength. Experiment is reality. So far I am unaware of any experiment that separate those three masses, inertial, gravitational and electromagnetic.</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>That same paper shows that the moving particle will subject the electron to the special relativity corrections of mass, length and time with velocity.</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>You will also see that I suggested the reason a photon could travel in a circle was because it continually emitted and absorbed "virtual" photons, giving it the property of electric charge. My use of "virtual" is different from that used in QED, where they use "virtual" to indicate photons that are exchanged during electric interactions. For the rest of this presentation I will call them field photons because they are responsible for generating the electric field. I did not calculate a value for the unit electrical charge e because I required a</font><span style="font-size: large; " class="">n unknown</span><span style="font-size: large; " class=""> constant. In that case the constant may well stay as e. The rest mass of an electron, when it is not affected by an electric or magnetic field, includes the field photons being </span><font size="4" class="">emitted and absorbed. When they are influenced by an electric field they pick up or lose a photon, changing their mass and hence velocity.</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>As Richard G pointed out, my calculation for the magnetic field was in error. It is suggested that the magnetic field can be explained by a combination of the rotating charge and the residual magnetic field from the direction of the photon's rotation. </font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Since then, John and Martin have written a paper in which they indicate there is a mathematical reason for the photon to rotate in a circle. I believe these effects are not mutually exclusive. </font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>As far as i am concerned, the rotating photon structure of all matter is the reason for the special relativity corrections. As far as general relativity is concerned, space-time distortion is nothing more than the effect of gravity upon the mass of a photon m = hnu/c^2. Flat Minkowski space-time is when a photon is unchanged as it moves through that space. Curved Minkowski space-time is when gravity changes the direction and/or frequency of a photon. I have written a little about that in:</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><a href="http://file.scirp.org/pdf/JMP_2013081410504275.pdf" class="">http://file.scirp.org/pdf/JMP_2013081410504275.pdf</a></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IMHO, photons are responsible for everything. They are energy and mass, related through E = mc^2 and the rotating photon structure of matter. They generate the electric and magnetic fields and are responsible for the special and general relativity corrections. That is why it is so important to understand the structure of the photon and what I believed was the purpose of this discussion group. </font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class="">Cheers,</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class="">Vivian Robinson.</font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class="">PS<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A copy of my electron paper, sent for the benefit of new participants is</font><span style="font-size: large; " class=""> in the following email</span><span style="font-size: large; " class="">.</span></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font size="4" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class="">On 02/06/2016, at 12:09 AM, "Chip Akins" <<a href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" class="">chipakins@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: inherit; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class="">Dear John Williamson and Martin van der Mark<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class="">Your 1997 paper on the electron may have had a much greater influence than you thought.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class="">The aspect of this which I would like to address is the simple premise that matter is made from confined light-speed energy.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class="">If this is true then there is only one form of “relativity” which can be supported.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class="">The consequences of matter being comprised of confined light-speed energy lead to inescapable conclusions regarding “relativity”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class="">Are there comments from the group?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class="">Chip<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="" class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; " class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [mailto:general-<a href="mailto:bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; " class="">bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Vladimir Tamari<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, May 29, 2016 9:30 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; " class="">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] inertia<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class="">Richard, <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class="">without going into the details of your model, you mentioned:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(172, 25, 61); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; " class="">"It may be that vector momentum is just not conserved within fundamental particles even though it is conserved between two or more particles in their mutual interactions"</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; " class="">In cellular-automata schemes, such as my<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://vladimirtamari.com/beautiful_univ_rev_oct_2011.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; " class="">Beautiful Universe</a>, a particle is made up of a pattern of spinning nodes in a matrix. The same type of spinning nodes also form the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); " class="">surrounding magnetic, gravitational or electrostatic field etc. Any changes in the angular momentum or the axis of spin of the constituent nodes of a particle (or photon wave) is transmitted as a domino effect adjusting the angular momentum of surrounding nodes both internally and externally. The domino effect is diffused unto infinity in inverse-square fashion. Nothing is hidden or lost or subject to uncertainty, and energy is always conserved. </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); " class="">In your case by taking the photon and electron in isolation conservation issues seem to be arising? Hope this helps.</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); " class="">Best wishes</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); " class="">Vladimir</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" id="stopSpelling" class=""></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; " class="">richgauthier@gmail.com</a><br class="">Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 17:31:33 -0700<br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; " class="">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br class="">CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jsarfatti@aol.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; " class="">jsarfatti@aol.com</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [General] inertia<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class="">Hello all,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""> I’ve been thinking about the unexplained 0.424 Newtons force acting on a circulating double-looped charged photon to keep it in its trajectory. Any double-looping-photon electron model should have this force acting on the circling photon, such John and Martin’s model and Chip’s model. The force doesn’t have an obvious source. It continuously changes the direction of the circling momentum without changing the resting energy of the photon. It may be that vector momentum is just not conserved within fundamental particles even though it is conserved between two or more particles in their mutual interactions. I believe that the Dirac equation solution for a free electron hints at this internal non-conservation of momentum also during zitterbewegung motion of the free electron whose average velocity is v but whose eigenvalue for speed is c. The position-momentum relations for the double-looped photon model of the electron, as I recall, are below or just at the the exact uncertainty expression of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle: delta x times delta p > 1/2 hbar , for position and momentum of an object in a particular coordinate direction. So it might not be possible to experimentally determine if linear momentum is conserved or not within a particle. The indirect evidence that there is such circulating momentum in a particle is the inertial mass m=Eo/c^2 of the particle as it is derived from the photon’s circulating momentum p=Eo/c . If there is circling momentum for a single particle, then momentum conservation within the particle IS being violated. An analogy: just as an electron has spin but it not experimentally known what inside it is “spinning", an electron has inertial mass but it is not known what inside the particle is “massing”. But but the spin and the inertial mass are known experimentally. A double-looping photon model explains both what is “spinning" and what is “massing" in an electron.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""> Richard<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; " class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; " class=""> </span></div></div></div></div></div></a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" class="">richgauthier@gmail.com</a><br class=""><a href="<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/richgauthier%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1" class="">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/richgauthier%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br class="">Click here to unsubscribe<br class=""></a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>