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<p>Hi Chip,</p>
<p>what is a wave? A wave is a field which fluctuates in a somewhat
regular way. And what is a field? A field is a human abstraction
to describe the influence of a charge. <br>
</p>
<p>Of course a wave can have a positive and a negative region. That
is the case if the wave is caused by positive and negative
charges. So, if a photon can be identified with a wave, there must
be charges of both sign in a photon. - Any other understanding of
a field or of a wave is in my view a typical mystification as we
know it from QM. Why refer to such mystifications if they are not
necessary? I have understood that the goal of all of us (who are
looking for particle models) is to make the picture as simple as
possible. And that should mean: No mystifications, so no fields
without a cause, no waves without a cause. Isn't that simple?</p>
<p>Albrecht<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.06.2016 um 16:52 schrieb Chip
Akins:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Albrecht<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>No. A wave in space could easily have a positive region and
a negative region and still be one wave. So your statement
“This is one of the indications that a photon has to be
composite.” Is not really correct.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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General
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Albrecht Giese<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 04, 2016 9:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Richard Gauthier
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><richgauthier@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] inertia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Hello Richard,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>the experimental evidence that a photon must be a composite
object happens e.g. in every radio exchange. The photon
interacts with electric charges, this is only possible if one
assumes that the photon has electric charge. Now, as it is
electrically neutral as a whole, there must be a balance of
positive and negative electric charge(s). Those have to have
some separation as otherwise they could not react with an
outside charge. This is one of the indications that a photon
has to be composite.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The other way to understand the photon is the way of quantum
mechanics. In the view of QM the photon is merely a quantum of
energy. Any further understanding of it is - by the view of QM
- not possible. To treat a photon physically and
quantitatively requires the use of the QM formalism, however,
(as usual at QM) without a direct understanding. - This is the
position of QM which is formally allows for a point-like
photon. But I think that no one in our group is willing to
follow QM in this respect. All efforts undertaken here come
from the desire to have a physical understanding. And this
includes necessarily (in my view) that the photon is
composite.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Albrecht<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 03.06.2016 um 00:53 schrieb Richard
Gauthier:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Albrecht,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> My electron model is built of a
single circulating spin-1/2 charged photon. It is not
built “by photons”. I know of no experimental evidence
that a photon is a composite particle as you claim. Please
cite any accepted experimental evidence that a photon is a
composite particle. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 2, 2016, at 1:37 PM,
Albrecht Giese <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hello
Richard,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Zero
evidence for a composite particle? I think that the
evidence for a composite particle model is very
obvious:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-
The model explains the mass and the momentum of a
particle with NO new parameters, from the scratch<br>
- The model explains the magnetic moment of a
particle classically with no new parameters<br>
- The model explains the constancy of the spin
classically<br>
- The model explains the equation E = h*f
classically (was never deduced before)<br>
- The model explains the relativistic increase of
mass and the mass-energy relation E=m*c^2
independent of Einstein's space-time ideas.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And
what is the evidence that the electron is NOT a
composite particle? Your electron model is built by
photons, where the photon is also a composite
particle. So, what?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
do not know any other particle models with this
ability. Do you? Such properties are taken as a good
evidence in physics. Or why do main stream physics
trust in the existence of an up-quark and a
down-quark? For both there was no direct evidence in
any experiment. The reason to accept their existence
is the fact that this assumption makes some other
facts understandable. - The model of a composite
particle is in no way weaker.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Albrecht<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 31.05.2016 um 20:19 schrieb
Richard Gauthier:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Albrecht and all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Since there is zero
experimental evidence that the electron is a
composite particle, I will no longer comment on
Albrecht's electron model, which postulates as a
principal feature that the electron is a
composite particle, unless new experimental
evidence is found that the electron is a
composite particle after all.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Galileo’s and Newton's “law
of inertia" is clearly an expression of
conservation of momentum of objects or “bodies”
in the absence of an imposed external net force.
It revolutionized mechanics because Aristotle
had taught otherwise. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> If a resting electron is a
circulating light-speed electrically charged
photon with circulating momentum Eo/c, then an
external force F on the electron equals the
additional rate of change of momentum dp/dt of
the circulating charged photon corresponding to
that external force: F=dp/dt , beyond the
constant rate of change of momentum of the
circulating charged photon. The ratio of this
applied force F (for example due to an applied
electric field) to the circulating charged
photon’s additional acceleration “a" is called
the electron's inertial mass and is defined by
F=ma or m=F/a . There is no separate mass-stuff
or inertia-stuff to be accelerated in a
particle. There is only the circulating momentum
Eo/c of the circling speed-of-light particle
with rest energy Eo , that is being additionally
accelerated by the applied force F. Since the
value m = Eo/c^2 of a resting particle (derived
from the rate of change of the circulating
momentum Eo/c as compared to its centripetal
acceleration) is the same value in different
reference frames, it is called the particle’s
invariant mass m, but this invariant mass m is
still derived from the resting particle’s
internally circulating momentum Eo/c . If the
electron is moving relativistically at v < c,
it has an additional linear momentum p=gamma mv,
which when added vectorially to the transverse
circulating momentum Eo/c gives by the
Pythagorean theorem a total circulating vector
momentum P=gamma Eo/c = gamma mc=E/c where E is
the electron’s total energy E=gamma mc^2. This
is the origin of the electron’s relativistic
energy-momentum equation E^2 = p^2 c^2 + m^2 c^4
which is just another way to write the
Pythagorean momentum vector relationship above:
P^2 = p^2 + (Eo/c)^2 .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> In my understanding, the
Higgs field gives a non-zero invariant mass
(without being able to predict the magnitude of
that mass) to certain particles according to
the relativistic energy-momentum equation, so
that any particle moving at v < c in a Higgs
field has invariant mass m > 0. But the
inertia of that invariant mass m is not
explained by the action of the Higgs field, in
my understanding.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> To try to theoretically
explain why a photon has momentum p = hf/c and
energy E=hf is a separate topic beyond trying to
explain why a particle has inertial mass, or
resistance to acceleration by an applied force.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On May 30, 2016, at 1:04
PM, Albrecht Giese <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hello
Richard,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">your
new paper has again a lot of nice
mathematics. However, it again does not
answer the question of inertia. As
earlier, you relate the inertial mass of
an electron to the mass of the circling
photon which builds in your understanding
the electron. Then the mass and the
momentum of the electron is calculated
from the mass and momentum of the photon.
<br>
<br>
Such calculation is of course possible if
one follows this picture of an electron.
However, it does not answer the question
of what the cause of inertia and momentum
of the photon is. You take this as an 'a
priory' fact. But this is not our present
state of understanding. Physics are able
to go deeper. <br>
<br>
You write in your paper: "The fact is that
the inertial property of the mass of
elementary particles is not understood".
How can you write this? Main stream
physics have the Higgs model which is
assumed to describe the mass of elementary
particles. And I have presented a model
which uses the fact that any extended
object inevitably has inertia. The reason
is, as you know, that the fields of the
constituents of an extended object
propagate with the finite speed of light.
If the extension of an elementary particle
is taken from its magnetic moment, this
model provides very precisely the mass,
the momentum, and a lot of other
parameters and properties of a particle. <br>
<br>
If you intend to explain the mass of an
electron by the mass of a photon, you
should have an appropriate explanation of
the mass and other parameters of a photon.
Otherwise I do not see any real progress
in the considerations of your paper. <br>
<br>
Albrecht<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 30.05.2016 um
07:40 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Vladimir,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Thanks. That
could be an explanation. But I’m
hoping I can find a simpler
explanation, if possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On May 29,
2016, at 7:29 PM, Vladimir Tamari
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vladimirtamari@hotmail.com">vladimirtamari@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Richard, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">without
going into the details of
your model, you mentioned:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#AC193D">"It
may be that vector momentum
is just not conserved within
fundamental particles even
though it is conserved
between two or more
particles in their mutual
interactions"</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#444444"><br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#444444">In
cellular-automata schemes,
such as my<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://vladimirtamari.com/beautiful_univ_rev_oct_2011.pdf">Beautiful
Universe</a>, a particle
is made up of a pattern of
spinning nodes in a matrix.
The same type of spinning
nodes also form the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>surrounding
magnetic, gravitational or
electrostatic field etc.
Any changes in the angular
momentum or the axis of spin
of the constituent nodes of
a particle (or photon wave)
is transmitted as a domino
effect adjusting the angular
momentum of surrounding
nodes both internally and
externally. The domino
effect is diffused unto
infinity in inverse-square
fashion. Nothing is hidden
or lost or subject to
uncertainty, and energy is
always conserved. </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#444444">In
your case by taking the
photon and electron in
isolation conservation
issues seem to be
arising? Hope this helps.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#444444">Best
wishes</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#444444">Vladimir</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From: <a
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Date: Sat, 28 May 2016
17:31:33 -0700<br>
To: <a
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Subject: Re: [General]
inertia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello
all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> I’ve
been thinking about the
unexplained 0.424
Newtons force acting on
a circulating
double-looped charged
photon to keep it in its
trajectory. Any
double-looping-photon
electron model should
have this force acting
on the circling photon,
such John and Martin’s
model and Chip’s model.
The force doesn’t have
an obvious source. It
continuously changes the
direction of the
circling momentum
without changing the
resting energy of the
photon. It may be that
vector momentum is just
not conserved within
fundamental particles
even though it is
conserved between two or
more particles in their
mutual interactions. I
believe that the Dirac
equation solution for a
free electron hints at
this internal
non-conservation of
momentum also during
zitterbewegung motion of
the free electron whose
average velocity is v
but whose eigenvalue for
speed is c. The
position-momentum
relations for the
double-looped photon
model of the electron,
as I recall, are below
or just at the the
exact uncertainty
expression of the
Heisenberg uncertainty
principle: delta x
times delta p > 1/2
hbar , for position
and momentum of an
object in a particular
coordinate direction. So
it might not be possible
to experimentally
determine if linear
momentum is conserved or
not within a particle.
The indirect evidence
that there is such
circulating momentum in
a particle is the
inertial mass m=Eo/c^2
of the particle as it is
derived from the
photon’s circulating
momentum p=Eo/c . If
there is circling
momentum for a single
particle, then momentum
conservation within the
particle IS being
violated. An analogy:
just as an electron has
spin but it not
experimentally known
what inside it is
“spinning", an electron
has inertial mass but it
is not known what inside
the particle is
“massing”. But but the
spin and the inertial
mass are known
experimentally. A
double-looping photon
model explains both what
is “spinning" and what
is “massing" in an
electron.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On May 27, 2016, at
11:50 AM, Richard
Gauthier <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jack Sarfatti, a
well-known
physicist, wrote
back to me about
my article
saying that no
one cares about
this work, that
it is just
re-inventing the
wheel and that
it is not a good
problem to work
on. Comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On May 26, 2016, at
8:25 PM,
Richard
Gauthier <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear John W, Martin,
Chandra,
Alexander,
Chip, Andrew,
Vivian,
Albrecht, John
M, David and
all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><A New Derivation
of E=mc^2
explains a
particle's
inertia.pdf>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Here’s my latest
input to the
inertia/particles
discussion: my
proposed new
derivation of
Eo=mc^2 and
the inertial
mass of a
particle from
the momentum
of a circling
photon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On May 17, 2016, at
6:47 PM,
Richard
Gauthier <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">David <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> These newly
discovered
photons seem
very similar
to
helically-moving
spin-1/2
charged
photons,
except for
their lack of
electric
charge.
Perhaps these
new spin-1/2
photons become
spin-1/2
charged
photons when
they curl up
in pairs of
photons with
opposite
charge, as in
e-p pair
production : "</span><span
style="font-family:"Roboto",serif;background:white">Researchers
made their
discovery
after passing
light through
special
crystals to
create a light
beam with a
hollow,
screw-like
structure.
Using quantum
mechanics, the
physicists
theorized that
the beam's
twisting
photons were
being slowed
to a
half-integer
of Planck's
constant.</span><span
style="font-family:"Roboto",serif;color:#333333">”</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Roboto",serif;color:#333333"> Richard</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Roboto",serif;color:#333333"><br>
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</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On May 17, 2016, at
1:56 PM, <<a
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<<a
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href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">If pbotons weren't
confusing
enough...just
as Williams
proposed a
quantum number
for energy,
these
researchers
are proposing
a quantum
number for
angular
momentum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808">
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">The article<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2016/05/17/Scientists-discover-new-form-of-light/9061463490086/"
target="_blank">Scientists discover new form of light</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6242">
<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Roboto",serif">"The newly discovered form
of light,
however,
features
photons with
an angular
momentum of
just half the
value of
Planck's
constant. The
difference
sounds small,
but
researchers
say the
significance
of the
discovery is
great.'</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">The paper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/4/e1501748.full"
target="_blank">There
are many ways
to spin a
photon:
Half-quantization
of a total
optical
angular
momentum |
Science
Advances</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Richard
Gauthier <<a
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<b>To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Nature of Light and Particles -
General
Discussion
<<a
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<b>Cc:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Alexander Burinskii <<a
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href="mailto:bur@ibrae.ac.ru"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bur@ibrae.ac.ru">bur@ibrae.ac.ru</a></a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:30 AM<br>
<b
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6278">Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] inertia</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Hello Chandra and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> This is very good
news. I’ve
been reading
several of
Alexander
Burinskii’s
recent (2015
and 2016)
published
papers on his
Kerr-Newman
bag model of
the electron
(2 pdf’s
attached). His
approach
integrates
black-hole
gravitational
theory, Higgs
theory and
electromagnetism
to produce a
internally-light-speed
model of the
electron with
radius
hbar/2mc like
John W and
Martin’s,
Chip’s,
Vivian’s and
my
double-looping-photon
electron
models.
Alexander's
electron model
is
energetically
stable,
contains a
circulating
light-speed
singularity (a
photon?) in
addition to an
electromagnetic wave circling along its outer rim along a circular
gravitational
string, has
g=2 (Dirac
magnetic
moment of
magnitude 1
Bohr
magneton), is
a fermion and
carries the
electron’s
charge. I
think
Alexander’s
electron model
has much to
offer, coming
from a
different
perspective
than much of
our group’s
electron
modeling. I
request
Alexander to
give us a
summary of the
key features
(and perhaps a
brief history)
of his
electron
model,
emphasizing
the nature of
its stability
(an important
issue in
circling-photon
electron
models.) I
hope that this
will stimulate
a critical
discussion of
his approach
in comparison
with our
various
approaches to
electron
modeling,
which could
lead to better
light-speed-based electron models coming up to the next SPIE “What are
photons”
conference in
San Diego in
August 2017.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> Richard <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">On May 12, 2016, at 6:12
PM,
Roychoudhuri,
Chandra <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">I will request Burinskii
to participate
in our next
conference. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Chandra. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue";color:#575757">Sent
via the
Samsung Galaxy
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an AT&T 4G
LTE smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: Richard
Gauthier <<a
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Date:
5/12/2016 2:09
AM (GMT-05:00)<span
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To: Nature of
Light and
Particles -
General
Discussion
<<a
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Cc: Alexander
Burinskii <<a
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Subject: Re:
[General]
inertia<span
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Dear John W, Martin,
Chandra,
Vivian,
Andrew, John
M, Chip,
Albrecht,
Hodge and
others,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> I am in contact with
the Russian
physicist and
academician
Alexander
Burinskii
(arXiv page of
his articles
at<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Alexander+Burinskii/0/1/0/all/0/1"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Alexander+Burinskii/0/1/0/all/0/1">http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Alexander+Burinskii/0/1/0/all/0/1</a></a> ,
biography at<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.scirp.org/journal/DetailedInforOfEditorialBoard.aspx?personID=10183"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.scirp.org/journal/DetailedInforOfEditorialBoard.aspx?personID=10183">http://www.scirp.org/journal/DetailedInforOfEditorialBoard.aspx?personID=10183</a></a> ),
who has
written a very
interesting
article on
arXiv:
“Gravity vs.
quantum
theory: Is the
electron
really
pointlike?”
at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.0225"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.0225">http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.0225</a></a> .
He draws on
the
interesting
resemblance of
Kerr-Newman
gravity
formulations
to the
properties of
the Dirac
electron as a
light-speed
particle that
can only be
measured at
sub-light
speeds. Here’s
part of the
abstract:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">"Contrary
to the
widespread
opinion that
gravity plays
essential role
only on the
Planck scales,
the
Kerr-Newman
gravity
displays a new
dimensional
parameter </span></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326mi"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"STIXGeneral-Italic",serif;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">a</span></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326mo"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"STIXGeneral-Regular",serif;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">=</span></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326mi"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Cambria
Math",serif;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">ℏ</span></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326mo"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"STIXGeneral-Regular",serif;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">/(</span></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326mn"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"STIXGeneral-Regular",serif;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">2</span></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326mi"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"STIXGeneral-Italic",serif;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">m</span></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326mo"><span
style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"STIXGeneral-Regular",serif;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">),</span></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> which
for parameters
of an electron
corresponds to
the Compton
wavelength and
turns out to
be very far
from the
Planck scale.
Extremely
large spin of
the electron
with respect
to its mass
produces the
Kerr geometry
without
horizon, which
displays very
essential
topological
changes at the
Compton
distance
resulting in a
two-fold
structure of
the electron
background.
The
corresponding
gravitational
and
electromagnetic
fields of the
electron are
concentrated
near the Kerr
ring, forming
a sort of a
closed string,
structure of
which is close
to the
described by
Sen heterotic
string. The
indicated by
Gravity
stringlike
structure of
the electron
contradicts to
the statements
of Quantum
theory that
electron is
pointlike and
structureless.
However, it
confirms the
peculiar role
of the Compton
zone of the
"dressed"
electron and
matches with
the known
limit of the
localization
of the Dirac
electron." </span></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica
Neue""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> I think that there
some potential
for Alexander
Burinskii's
Kerr-Newman
gravity
approach to
the electron
and the
various
double-looping
photon models
of the
electron to
find some
common ground
which may
benefit both
approaches to
modeling the
electron. In
particular the
centripetal
force of 0.424
N causing a
photon of
energy 0.511
MeV to move in
a closed
double-looping
trajectory of
radius
Ro=hbar/2mc in
a resting
electron model
could be
related to the
gravitational
and
electromagnetic
fields and
gravity
stringlike
structure of
the
Kerr-Newman
electron
model. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">On May 9, 2016, at 4:37
AM, Albrecht
Giese <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Hello Richard,<br>
<br>
it is true
that we do not
know
everything in
physics
(otherwise
there would be
no reason for
further
research).
However, many
facts and
rules are
understood,
and I do not
see a good
reason to go
behind this
knowledge.<br>
<br>
From my
2-particle
model it
follows for
leptons and
for quarks
that there is
E = h*ny. The
frequency is
the
circulation,
the energy
follows from
the mass which
the model
yields, when
using E =
m*c^2. This
latter
relation also
follows from
this model. (I
have presented
all this in
San Diego; it
was also
discussed here
earlier as I
remember; and
it is on my
web site "The
Origin of
Mass". Of
course I can
explain it
here again if
there is a
demand.)<br>
<br>
As these
relations
obviously also
apply to the
photon, it
seems very
plausible that
the photon has
a similar
structure like
a lepton and a
quark. The
rules apply if
c is inserted
for the speed.
This also
leads to
p=h*ny/c.<br>
<br>
And which
further
details do we
know about the
photon? It
must have an
extension as
it has a spin
which is
physically not
possible
without an
extension. And
it must have
charges as it
reacts with an
electric field
which is
otherwise not
explainable.
There must be
at least two
charges, a
positive and a
negative one,
as the photon
as a whole is
neutral. The
spin is twice
the one of a
lepton or a
quark, this
may be an
indication
that the
photon is
built by 4
sub-particles
rather than 2
of the kind
which I have
described.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
So, if the
photon has
positive and
negative
charges, which
means that it
has
sub-particles
with positive
and negative
charges, it is
quite
plausible that
the photon can
decompose into
a positive and
a negative
elementary
particle, so
into a
positron and
an electron.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
(You may call
this
speculative.
But it has
some strongly
plausible
aspects which
I am missing
in the other
models
presented
here.)<br>
<br>
The curling-up
which you have
mentioned has
an orbital
component. To
move on an
orbit needs
some physical
conditions.
E.g. an
influence
which causes
the
acceleration
to its center.
This should be
physically
explained.<br>
<br>
The conflict
between the
necessary
Higgs field
and the vacuum
field in the
universe is
treated in the
article of
F.J. Tipler in<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<em><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica
Neue"">arXiv</span></em><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326st">:</span><em><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica
Neue"">astro</span></em><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326st">-</span><em><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica
Neue"">ph</span></em><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326st">/</span><em><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica
Neue"">0111520v1
.</span></em><span
class="apple-converted-space"><i> </i></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326st">It
is well known
by particle
physicists I
have at
conferences
here</span><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="ecxyiv2438876326st">asked</span><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="ecxyiv2438876326st">several
times the
presenters of
the Higgs
model for this
discrepancy.
They have
always
admitted that
this conflict
exists, but
some have
tried to blame
the
astronomers
for it. No one
ever has
presented a
solution for
the conflict.</span><br>
<br>
<span
class="ecxyiv2438876326st">Albrecht</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 07.05.2016
um 23:32
schrieb
Richard
Gauthier:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Hello Albrecht,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> Thank your for your
further
comments and
questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> Your are asking me
why photons
have momentum
p=hv/c .
That’s like
asking why
photons have
energy E=hv .
In physics
nobody knows
“why” anything
happens.
“Why?”
questions
always lead
back to a big
unknown.
Physicists
observe nature
qualitatively
and
quantitatively
and search for
cause-effect
relations,
equations,
theoretical
models and
symmetry
relations that
work ("save
the
appearances"),
and lead to
further and
better (more
accurate)
physical
predictions
that often
lead to
practical
applications
and hopefully
deeper
“understanding”
of physical
phenomena.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> You ask why a
spin-1/2
photon curls
up. You could
just as well
ask why a
spin-1 photon
doesn’t curl
up, since it
has spin. (My
transluminal
energy quantum
model of a
spin-1 photon
at<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron">https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron</a></a><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span> is a helical model that is
consistent
with both a
photon's
spin-1 hbar
and its
forward linear
momentum
p=h/lambda). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> Your own comments
on the
possible
nature and
make-up of
photons are
extremely
speculative to
say the least.
You have no
photon model
at all. There
is zero
experimental
evidence that
a photon is
composite. You
should at
least try to
show how a
sufficiently
energetic
photon leads
to your
electron model
in
electron-positron
pair
production.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> You claim that
astronomers
deny the
existence of a
Higgs field
strong enough
to explain
noticeable
forces in
elementary
particles.
That is a
blanket
statement that
needs
supporting
evidence.
Please support
your claim
here with
sources. It’s
like claiming
that
“scientists
say”. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""> Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">On May 7, 2016, at 10:23
AM, Albrecht
Giese <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">genmail@a-giese.de</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Hello
Richard,<br>
<br>
thank you for
your mail. I
still have
questions to
your
explanations:<br>
<br>
To para 1):<br>
According to
you
explanations
the circular
motion is
mainly
achieved by
the fact that
the particles
are "curling
up". Which
physical law
do you have in
mind that
causes them to
curl up? What
are the
quantitative
consequences?
- You say that
there is a
"configurational"
force which
controls the
internal
motion of an
electron and a
positron. You
assume that
this may come
from the Higgs
field. I think
that this is
highly
speculative as
astronomers
deny the
existence of a
Higgs field
which is
strong enough
to be an
explanation
for noticeable
forces in
elementary
particles.<br>
<br>
To para 2):<br>
The momentum
of a photon is
h</span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Symbol">*n</span></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">y/c,
true. But what
is the
physical
mechanism
causing this
momentum?
Still not
answered.<span
class="ecxyiv2438876326apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
I believe that
my mass
mechanism is
applicable to
the photon.
The photon has
an extension,
so it has
inertia by the
standard
mechanism for
extended
objects. And
in addition I
think that the
photon may be
composed by
the same
sub-particles
("basic
particles")
like leptons
and quarks.
The question
still open for
me is, why the
photon moves
steadily with
c. An
explanation
may be that it
moves always
into a certain
direction with
respect to its
internal set
up. On the
other hand,
the fact that
the rest mass
of the photon
is zero is
nothing more
than a
mathematical
result. Was
never
measured.<span
class="ecxyiv2438876326apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
Albrecht<span
class="ecxyiv2438876326apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Am Sat, 30 Apr
2016 um
17:22:00
schrieb
Richard
Gauthier:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Hello
Albrecht,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> <span
class="ecxyiv2438876326apple-converted-space"> </span>Thank you for your
two thoughtful
questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">To
try to answer
them:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">1)
I think it is
an incorrect
assumption
that only a
second
electric
charge or a
corresponding
permanent
field can
cause a
spin-1/2
charged photon
to move in a
circular or
helical
configuration.
Have you
considered
other possible
explanations?
One I have
considered, in
the context of
e-p
production, is
that two
uncharged
spin-1/2
photons of are
formed in the
process of
electron-positron
pair
production
from a spin-1
photon of
sufficient
energy
(greater than
1.022 MeV). At
first the two
uncharged
spin-1/2
photons both
move forward
together in a
kind of
unstable
equilibrium.
One has a
negative
charge
potentiality
and the other
has a positive
charge
potentiality,
yet both are
still neutral.
These two
uncharged
spin-1/2
photons can
either then
unite with
each other to
form a spin-1
photon, or
they can
separate in
the presence
of a nearby
charged
nucleus and
each curl up,
gaining
negative and
positive
charge
respectively,
as well as
rest mass
Eo/c^2, and
slowing down
(as they
become an
electron and
positron) to
less than
light-speed as
they curl up.
(Internally
these spin-1/2
charged
photons
maintain
light-speed c
in their
forward
direction, but
their
curled-up
configurations
as a electron
and a positron
have v < c
.) Once they
are both fully
curled up to
form a fully
charged
electron and
positron, they
continue to
move apart.
Now they each
have a stable
internal
equilibrium
(because of
conservation
of electric
charge) and
they cannot
individually
unroll (except
perhaps
virtually) to
become an
uncharged
spin-1/2
photon, and so
they remain a
stable
electron and a
stable
positron.
Their own
charged
curled-up
stable
equilibrium
maintains them
in their
curled-up
configurations,
supplying the
necessary
configurational
force that
maintains
their
circulating
motion to form
an electron or
a positron.
This
configurational
force that
maintains each
of them curled
up would be a
non-electrical
force. Perhaps
this
configurational
force that
maintains the
electron and
the positron
curled up with
rest mass and
moving at less
than
light-speed c,
comes from the
Higgs field.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> <span
class="ecxyiv2438876326apple-converted-space"> </span>When an electron
and positron
meet, they may
first form a
positronium
atom. Then
they both
uncurl and
unite to form
an unstable
neutral
particle which
decays
immediately
into two or
three spin-1
photons, in
the process of
electron-positron annihilation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">2)
Why does the
spin-1/2
charged photon
have momentum?
you ask. It
is because it
is a photon
with momentum
hv/c . My
model of the
spin-1/2
charged photon
is similar to
my internally
transluminal
model of an
uncharged
photon, except
that the
spin-1/2
charged photon
makes two
helical loops
instead of one
per photon
wavelength,
and the
spin-1/2
charged photon
model's
helical radius
is 1/2 that of
the helical
radius of a
spin-1 photon
model , being
R=lambda/4pi
instead of
lambda/2 pi.
The uncurled
transluminal
spin-1/2
uncharged
photon model
curls up
nicely into a
curled-up
double-looping
spin-1/2
charged photon
model of an
electron. You
can read about
my
superluminal
uncharged
photon model
at <a
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I can e-mail
you a copy. I
have only
talked about
my current
model of the
superluminal
spin-1/2
charged photon
on the “Nature
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hope these
possible
explanations
of the
spin-1/2
charged-photon
model are
helpful. I
don’t think
that you have
a photon model
yet that is
consistent
with your
two-particle
electron
model, in
terms of e-p
production and
e-p
annihilation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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which I
included in
this e-list
some months
ago, shows a
curled-up spin
1/2 charged
photon forming
a resting
electron (top
graphic) and
at different
increasing
relativistic
speeds (lower
graphics). The
green line is
the
double-looping
helical
trajectory of
the
circulating
charged photon
forming the
electron,
while the red
line is the
trajectory of
the
superluminal
energy quantum
of the
spin-1/2
photon model.
The
superluminal
energy quantum
in the resting
electron moves
on the surface
of a
mathematical
horn torus. As
the speed v of
the electron
model
increases, the
radius of the
green helical
trajectory
decreases as
1/gamma^2 ,
while the
radius of the
red trajectory
of the
superluminal
quantum
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