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    <p>Hi Wolf,</p>
    <p>why are you so sure that the photon is not a particle? A "normal"
      particle like the electron can on the one hand be identified as a
      corpuscle which has a position, a certain amount of energy, a
      momentum. On the other hand it causes interference patterns behind
      a double slit where it then looks like a wave.</p>
    <p>What is different in case of the photon? It also causes an
      interference pattern behind a double slit. And similar to the
      electron, it has an amount of energy, it has a position, it has a
      momentum. <br>
    </p>
    <p>In case of the electron we can measure that it has a charge. In
      case of the photon we do not see a charge, but the assumption that
      it has a pair of opposite charges makes it very easy to understand
      why it interacts with charges. Then it would be the same process
      like with e.g. an electron. The reaction would be covered by known
      physics. If we on the other hand assume that it has no charges
      inside, then we must think about another process, an additional
      one, to explain the interaction. My point is now: why invent
      something new and non-understood so far, if we have an approach
      which already explains what happens. That is my argument for
      charges inside a photon. And I do not see any conflict with this
      assumption.</p>
    <p>I remember from other discussions here that it was suspected that
      the impression of a photon as a particle is a misinterpretation of
      the functionality of a photon detector. (You call it a human
      creation). It is the assumption that such detector collects energy
      from a wave, and when there is a sufficient amount of energy
      collected, it causes a "click". But there are other ways of
      measurement (also related to the experiment of my PhD thesis). You
      can let an electron and a positron react (="annihilate") and
      photons are created. Then you can use these photons for pair
      production. In that case you get photons back which reflect the
      energy and the momentum of the original photons. I think that this
      shows clearly that there have been individual particles in the
      photon state with well defined properties each including a well
      defined position for a specific moment. Not some kind of a poorly
      defined wave which is later on condensed to a particle or
      misinterpreted as a particle.</p>
    <p>And what about EM-waves? Their existence is concluded from the
      formalism of Maxwell. This mathematical formalism works very well
      in practise in the use of electric engineer when they have to
      design an areal or a transformer. But it has little to do with a
      physical understanding of the underlying phenomena. One clearly
      wrong aspect of EM-waves and Maxwell's formalism is the
      equivalence of electrical and magnetic phenomena. It is known
      since Einstein (who has stated something correct about this) that
      magnetism is only an apparent effect of the electric field. It is
      a relativistic side effect when a field is viewed from a certain
      perspective. It is somewhat similar to the Coriolis force, which
      is as well not a new force but the known Newtonian force only
      viewed from a certain perspective. Shall I give literature about
      it? (This is even main stream, but neglected by many colleagues.)
      <br>
    </p>
    <p>So if a transmission antenna transmits energy, why not assume
      that in this case photons are created which later accelerate the
      charges in a receiving antenna?</p>
    <p>And all this has very little to do with my specific particle
      model. It is mostly main stream. But my model can make good use of
      it.</p>
    <p>best<br>
      Albrecht<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 09.06.2016 um 23:28 schrieb Wolfgang
      Baer:<br>
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      Albrecht:<br>
      <br>
      "And a photon is a particle, quite (but not completely) similar to
      the other particles."<br>
      <br>
      A photon is<b> not</b> a particle similar to other particles. At
      best it is a<b> quantum particle</b> that acts like a wave when
      traveling from one source to a sink and acts like a particle when
      interacting with matter.<br>
      In neither interpretation does it carry a charge <br>
      However I believe a quantum photon is nothing but a human creation
      i.e. a projection that was imposed on physics because the
      originators simply did not know about resonant absorbers which can
      extract energy from a large effective antenna area. This has
      essentially been verified in nano-technologies and should update
      our concept of atoms, but it takes a while. <br>
      <br>
      I see no reason to give up the old field idea which states that
      light, EM-waves <br>
      transport the position and current of the source charge into space
      NOT the charge<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      I think this gets back to our earlier discussion regarding all the
      assumptions you need to make for your model to work. It is in my
      opinion not that your model is wrong, but that it ends up being
      more complex than the explanations we already have, so what is the
      benefit?<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      best<br>
      <br>
       wolf<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Dr. Wolfgang Baer Research Director Nascent Systems Inc. tel/fax
      831-659-3120/0432 E-mail <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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        href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/9/2016 1:20 PM, Albrecht Giese
        wrote:<br>
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        <p>Wolf,</p>
        <p>thank you for your smart considerations. And I think that
          (almost) all can be reasonably answered with an appropriate
          particle model in mind.<br>
        </p>
        <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 09.06.2016 um 00:02 schrieb
          Wolfgang Baer:<br>
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          <p>Albrecht and Richard:</p>
          <p>This is an interesting discussion and certainly the nature
            of inertia an interesting topic <br>
          </p>
          <p>But if  ' "Field" is a human abstraction to describe the
            effect of a charge onto another charge.' <br>
          </p>
          <p>Then the charges are located at the absorber and emitter ,
            the photon is a structure of disturbance that propagates
            from one charge to the other.</p>
        </blockquote>
        Yes, the first point is the obvious consequence. The emitter and
        the absorber has to contain charges. Any problems with this
        fact? And a photon is a particle, quite (but not completely)
        similar to the other particles. Why a structure of disturbance?
        It is much more a mostly ordered structure.<br>
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          <p>How do you possibly get to the "if a photon has a field" ?</p>
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        Every particle has a field. This field on the one hand keeps the
        constituents inside together. And the field on the other hand
        effects the world outside the particle. <br>
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          <p>If I eat a lot of garlic and walk into a closed room
            containing you. Then when I say "hello" I am emitting a
            field of garlic smelling particles and lucky you would pick
            up the smell by absorbing those particles. You would then
            say that the garlic smell is contained in the particles
            which make up the field of particles. Which is Albrecht's
            view of photons - they are carriers of hidden properties.<br>
          </p>
        </blockquote>
        Photons are indeed carriers of properties, but why hidden? The
        photons carry charges and, as they have inertia, they carry
        momentum and energy. What is funny or weird about this? - In
        your picture the garlic smell corresponds to the exchange
        particles in the case of charges and elementary particles. It is
        a quite good picture with the restriction that the exchange
        particles assumed by QM (and also by my model) are not very
        similar to the molecules emitted by a piece of garlic.<br>
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          <p> </p>
          <p>However the sound I make when saying "hello" is a pressure
            disturbance producing a pressure field in the media NOT a
            particle field. THere is no garlic property attached to the
            pressure wave picked up by my ear. <br>
          </p>
        </blockquote>
        Here you refer to the other kind of a wave which is a
        disturbance of a medium. This is in contrast to the field waves
        of charges for which we do not assume something like an aether
        (at least main stream physics, since a material aether was
        abandoned, not by all but by most physicists). <br>
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          <p> </p>
          <p>So you are arguing over the fundamental nature of a photon.
            Is it a particle that can carry hidden properties from one
            place to another. Have not Bell's theorem experiments
            discounted this possibility?</p>
        </blockquote>
        Yes, I see a photon as a particle, which has properties. But
        again: why hidden? What is hidden here? - Have you noticed that
        at the LHC of CERN both big detectors have found indications of
        a new particle which maybe a configuration of two photons? Will
        be wondering what it will be at the end.<br>
        <br>
        The Bell's theorem experiments are a somewhat different story
        and situation. In the experiment of Aspect there are two photons
        moving in opposite directions, but being coupled in some way
        where this coupling is not limited by the speed of light. How
        this can happen is still a secret. QM handles this situation by
        an equation which covers both photons at the same time and which
        ignores the limitation to c. That is a formal way but of course
        not at all a physical explanation. (Does QM ever give us
        physical explanations?)<br>
        <br>
        The weak point of this problems and of these experiments is that
        this funny coupling over distance is not visible at a single
        event but only at collection of events, which means that it is
        the result of some statistical evaluations. There are
        fortunately experiments in physics which are more direct and so
        better understandable for our imagination than this experiment.
        <br>
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          <p>wolf<br>
          </p>
        </blockquote>
        Best also to you and to all<br>
        <br>
        Albrecht<br>
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          <p> </p>
          <p><br>
          </p>
          <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/2016 1:34 PM, Albrecht
            Giese wrote:<br>
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            <p>Hello Richard,</p>
            <p>thank you for your response. - My comments again in the
              text below.<br>
            </p>
            Am 04.06.2016 um 20:20 schrieb Richard Gauthier:<br>
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              Hello Albrecht,
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                <div class="">   I understand your deductive logic for
                  thinking that photons are composite, but I think your
                  beginning premise "electric charges can only interact
                  with other electric charges” is faulty. And although
                  your second premise “electrons can interact with
                  photons” is correct, your conclusion "a photon must
                  contain electric charges” is therefore, like your
                  first premise, also faulty. Electric charges can
                  interact with electric fields which are not electric
                  charges.</div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            What is a field? "Field" is a human abstraction to describe
            the effect of a charge onto another charge. If we notice
            that at a specific position in the space is a force acting
            on a charge, we call this phenomenon a "field". What else is
            a field? It is the effect of a charge at a certain distance,
            nothing else. - So, the natural consequence is that if a
            photon has a field, which means that it has an interaction
            with a charge, it must contain a charge. Or, what else can
            the notion of a "field" mean?<br>
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              <div class="">
                <div class=""> For example, an electron is accelerated
                  to radiate a photon. The electron then annihilates
                  with a positron to produce two photons. So there are
                  no more electric charges, and only photons remain.</div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            I think that this is a quite easy situation. If an electron
            "annihilates" with a positron then both charges unify to
            build the photon. - The situation with an accelerated
            electron is a bit different. If there is enough energy, then
            obviously a pair of a positive and a negative charge can be
            built. This generation of pairs of charges also takes place
            at particle collisions in an accelerator or a storage ring
            (like the LHC). At each collision a lot of new particles is
            generated, most of which are charged, so a lot of new pairs
            of charge is generated.<br>
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              <div class="">
                <div class=""><br class="">
                </div>
                <div class="">   Your second explanation also is faulty.
                  No one knows the composition of a photon. A photon may
                  consist of a single particle with a helical
                  spatio-temporal movement. For example, my model of a
                  spin-1 photon is that a photon is composed of a single
                  transluminal energy quantum (TEQ) moving helically at
                  speed c sqrt(2) but having a longitudinal speed of c.
                  It has energy E=hf. It has the photon’s momentum
                  p=h/lambda and it has spin 1 hbar.</div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            TEQ? What is energy? In my understanding (which is generally
            critical about QM) energy is a property of an object, like
            speed or momentum or spin are properties of an object. You
            cannot have a piece of velocity somewhere, similarly you
            cannot have a piece of energy, without having an object
            which carries this. - I know that in QM energy is something
            by itself, but just this is a core point of the weirdness of
            QM in my understanding. And, what is an object? In my
            understanding candidates for objects are charges, like the
            electrical charge or the charge of the strong force. A
            configuration of such charges can build a higher order
            object. Do we really need more?<br>
            <blockquote
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              <div class="">
                <div class=""> Its forward helical angle is 45 degrees
                  for all different energies of photons. Now I think
                  that this TEQ generates speed-of-light quantum Huygens
                  wavelets which predict where it will be found in the
                  future, and which allow the photon to display
                  reflection, refraction, diffraction, and interference
                  and to go through double slits as a quantum wave
                  pattern, and yet be detected as a single localized
                  particle on the other side.</div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            What is a wavelet? Not so familiar for me. But phenomena
            like reflection, refraction, diffraction and interference
            can be explained by the superposition of oscillating fields
            which are the extended influences of moving charges. A
            particle model like the one which I have proposed with
            mass-less constituents can perfectly explain these phenomena
            like reflection, diffraction and interference and also the
            fact that behind a double slit there is still a particle
            present. This particle existed the entire time, so as it was
            assumed by de Broglie when he introduced the pilot wave. I
            think that it is really not necessary to assume all the
            further properties of nature (like a Huygens wavelet), the
            situation seems to be much easier. And why should we make it
            more complicated than necessary?<br>
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            Albrecht<br>
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                      <div class="">On Jun 4, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Albrecht
                        Giese <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          <p class="">Hello Richard,</p>
                          <p class="">the experimental evidence that a
                            photon must be a composite object happens
                            e.g. in every radio exchange. The photon
                            interacts with electric charges, this is
                            only possible if one assumes that the photon
                            has electric charge. Now, as it is
                            electrically neutral as a whole, there must
                            be a balance of positive and negative
                            electric charge(s). Those have to have some
                            separation as otherwise they could not react
                            with an outside charge. This is one of the
                            indications that a photon has to be
                            composite.</p>
                          <p class="">The other way to understand the
                            photon is the way of quantum mechanics. In
                            the view of QM the photon is merely a
                            quantum of energy. Any further understanding
                            of it is - by the view of QM - not possible.
                            To treat a photon physically and
                            quantitatively requires the use of the QM
                            formalism, however, (as usual at QM) without
                            a direct understanding. - This is the
                            position of QM which is formally allows for
                            a point-like photon. But I think that no one
                            in our group is willing to follow QM in this
                            respect. All efforts undertaken here come
                            from the desire to have a physical
                            understanding. And this includes necessarily
                            (in my view) that the photon is composite.</p>
                          <p class="">Albrecht<br class="">
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                            <div class="">Hello Albrecht,</div>
                            <div class="">   My electron model is built
                              of a single circulating spin-1/2 charged
                              photon. It is not built “by photons”. I
                              know of no experimental evidence that a
                              photon is a composite particle as you
                              claim. Please cite any accepted
                              experimental evidence that a photon is a
                              composite particle. Thanks.</div>
                            <div class="">       Richard</div>
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                                  PM, Albrecht Giese <<a
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                                    <p class="">Hello Richard,</p>
                                    <p class="">Zero evidence for a
                                      composite particle? I think that
                                      the evidence for a composite
                                      particle model is very obvious:</p>
                                    <p class="">-  The model explains
                                      the mass and the momentum of a
                                      particle with NO new parameters,
                                      from the scratch<br class="">
                                      -  The model explains the magnetic
                                      moment of a particle classically
                                      with no new parameters<br class="">
                                      -  The model explains the
                                      constancy of the spin classically<br
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                                      -  The model explains the equation
                                      E = h*f classically (was never
                                      deduced before)<br class="">
                                      -  The model explains the
                                      relativistic increase of mass and
                                      the mass-energy relation E=m*c^2
                                      independent of Einstein's
                                      space-time ideas.</p>
                                    <p class="">And what is the evidence
                                      that the electron is NOT a
                                      composite particle? Your electron
                                      model is built by photons, where
                                      the photon is also a composite
                                      particle. So, what?<br class="">
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                                    <p class="">I do not know any other
                                      particle models with this ability.
                                      Do you? Such properties are taken
                                      as a good evidence in physics. Or
                                      why do main stream physics trust
                                      in the existence of an up-quark
                                      and a down-quark? For both there
                                      was no direct evidence in any
                                      experiment. The reason to accept
                                      their existence is the fact that
                                      this assumption makes some other
                                      facts understandable. - The model
                                      of a composite particle is in no
                                      way weaker.</p>
                                    <p class="">Albrecht</p>
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                                      31.05.2016 um 20:19 schrieb
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                                        all,</div>
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                                      <div class="">  Since there is
                                        zero experimental evidence that
                                        the electron is a composite
                                        particle, I will no longer
                                        comment on Albrecht's electron
                                        model, which postulates as a
                                        principal feature that the
                                        electron is a composite
                                        particle, unless new
                                        experimental evidence is found
                                        that the electron is a composite
                                        particle after all.</div>
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                                      <div class="">  Galileo’s and
                                        Newton's “law of inertia" is
                                        clearly an expression of
                                        conservation of momentum of
                                        objects or “bodies” in the
                                        absence of an imposed external
                                        net force. It revolutionized
                                        mechanics because Aristotle had
                                        taught otherwise. </div>
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                                      <div class="">  If a resting
                                        electron is a circulating
                                        light-speed electrically charged
                                        photon with circulating momentum
                                        Eo/c, then an external force F
                                        on the electron equals the
                                        additional rate of change of
                                        momentum dp/dt of the
                                        circulating charged photon
                                        corresponding to that external
                                        force: F=dp/dt ,  beyond the
                                        constant rate of change of
                                        momentum of the circulating
                                        charged photon. The ratio of
                                        this applied force F (for
                                        example due to an applied
                                        electric field) to the
                                        circulating charged photon’s
                                        additional acceleration “a" is
                                        called the electron's inertial
                                        mass and is defined by F=ma or
                                        m=F/a . There is no separate
                                        mass-stuff or inertia-stuff to
                                        be accelerated in a particle.
                                        There is only the circulating
                                        momentum Eo/c of the circling
                                        speed-of-light particle with
                                        rest energy Eo , that is being
                                        additionally accelerated by the
                                        applied force F.  Since the
                                        value m = Eo/c^2 of a resting
                                        particle (derived from the rate
                                        of change of the circulating
                                        momentum Eo/c as compared to its
                                        centripetal acceleration) is the
                                        same value in different
                                        reference frames, it is called
                                        the particle’s invariant mass m,
                                        but this invariant mass m is
                                        still derived from the resting
                                        particle’s internally
                                        circulating momentum Eo/c .  If
                                        the electron is moving
                                        relativistically at v < c, it
                                        has an additional linear
                                        momentum p=gamma mv, which when
                                        added vectorially to the
                                        transverse circulating momentum
                                        Eo/c gives by the Pythagorean
                                        theorem a total circulating
                                        vector momentum P=gamma Eo/c =
                                        gamma mc=E/c  where E is the
                                        electron’s total energy E=gamma
                                        mc^2.  This is the origin of the
                                        electron’s relativistic
                                        energy-momentum equation E^2 =
                                        p^2 c^2 + m^2 c^4  which is just
                                        another way to write the
                                        Pythagorean momentum vector
                                        relationship above:  P^2 = p^2 +
                                        (Eo/c)^2 .</div>
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                                      <div class="">  In my
                                        understanding, the Higgs field
                                        gives a non-zero invariant mass
                                        (without being able to predict
                                        the magnitude of that mass)  to
                                        certain particles according to
                                        the relativistic energy-momentum
                                        equation,  so that any particle
                                        moving at v <  c in a Higgs
                                        field has invariant mass m >
                                        0. But the inertia of that
                                        invariant mass m is not
                                        explained by the action of the
                                        Higgs field, in my
                                        understanding.</div>
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                                      <div class="">  To try to
                                        theoretically explain why a
                                        photon has momentum p = hf/c and
                                        energy E=hf is a separate topic
                                        beyond trying to explain why a
                                        particle has inertial mass, or
                                        resistance to acceleration by an
                                        applied force.</div>
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                                      <div class="">     Richard</div>
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                                          <div class="">On May 30, 2016,
                                            at 1:04 PM, Albrecht Giese
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                                              <p class="">Hello Richard,</p>
                                              <p class="">your new paper
                                                has again a lot of nice
                                                mathematics. However, it
                                                again does not answer
                                                the question of inertia.
                                                As earlier, you relate
                                                the inertial mass of an
                                                electron to the mass of
                                                the circling photon
                                                which builds in your
                                                understanding the
                                                electron. Then the mass
                                                and the momentum of the
                                                electron is calculated
                                                from the mass and
                                                momentum of the photon.
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                                                Such calculation is of
                                                course possible if one
                                                follows this picture of
                                                an electron. However, it
                                                does not answer the
                                                question of what the
                                                cause of inertia and
                                                momentum of the photon
                                                is. You take this as an
                                                'a priory' fact. But
                                                this is not our present
                                                state of understanding.
                                                Physics are able to go
                                                deeper. <br class="">
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                                                You write in your paper:
                                                "The fact is that the
                                                inertial property of the
                                                mass of elementary
                                                particles is not
                                                understood". How can you
                                                write this? Main stream
                                                physics have the Higgs
                                                model which is assumed
                                                to describe the mass of
                                                elementary particles.
                                                And I have presented a
                                                model which uses the
                                                fact that any extended
                                                object inevitably has
                                                inertia. The reason is,
                                                as you know, that the
                                                fields of the
                                                constituents of an
                                                extended object
                                                propagate with the
                                                finite speed of light.
                                                If the extension of an
                                                elementary particle is
                                                taken from its magnetic
                                                moment, this model
                                                provides very precisely
                                                the mass, the momentum,
                                                and a lot of other
                                                parameters and
                                                properties of a
                                                particle. <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                If you intend to explain
                                                the mass of an electron
                                                by the mass of a photon,
                                                you should have an
                                                appropriate explanation
                                                of the mass and other
                                                parameters of a photon.
                                                Otherwise I do not see
                                                any real progress in the
                                                considerations of your
                                                paper. <br class="">
                                                <br class="">
                                                Albrecht</p>
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                                                <div class="">   Thanks.
                                                  That could be an
                                                  explanation. But I’m
                                                  hoping I can find a
                                                  simpler explanation,
                                                  if possible.</div>
                                                <div class="">     
                                                   Richard</div>
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                                                      29, 2016, at 7:29
                                                      PM, Vladimir
                                                      Tamari <<a
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                                                          going into the
                                                          details of
                                                          your model,
                                                          you mentioned:</font></div>
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                                                          may be that
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                                                          just not
                                                          conserved
                                                          within
                                                          fundamental
                                                          particles even
                                                          though it is
                                                          conserved
                                                          between two or
                                                          more particles
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                                                          class="">Beautiful
                                                          Universe</a>,
                                                           a particle is
                                                          made up of a
                                                          pattern of
                                                          spinning nodes
                                                          in a matrix.
                                                          The same type
                                                          of spinning
                                                          nodes also
                                                          form the<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="line-height:
                                                          21.3px;"
                                                          class="">surrounding
                                                          magnetic,
                                                          gravitational
                                                          or
                                                          electrostatic
                                                          field etc.
                                                           Any changes
                                                          in the angular
                                                          momentum or
                                                          the axis of
                                                          spin of
                                                          the constituent nodes
                                                          of a particle
                                                          (or photon
                                                          wave) is
                                                          transmitted as
                                                          a domino
                                                          effect
                                                          adjusting the
                                                          angular
                                                          momentum of
                                                          surrounding
                                                          nodes both
                                                          internally and
                                                          externally.
                                                          The domino
                                                          effect is
                                                          diffused unto
                                                          infinity in
                                                          inverse-square
                                                          fashion.
                                                          Nothing is
                                                          hidden or lost
                                                          or subject to
                                                          uncertainty,
                                                          and energy is
                                                          always
                                                          conserved. </span></font></div>
                                                        <div class=""><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          color="#444444"
                                                          size="3"><span
style="line-height: 21.3px;" class=""><br class="">
                                                          </span></font></div>
                                                        <div class=""><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          color="#444444"
                                                          size="3"><span
style="line-height: 21.3px;" class="">In your case by taking the photon
                                                          and electron
                                                          in isolation
                                                          conservation
                                                          issues seem to
                                                          be arising? </span></font><span
style="line-height: 21.3px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 12pt;"
                                                          class="">Hope
                                                          this helps.</span></div>
                                                        <div class=""><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          color="#444444"
                                                          size="3"><span
style="line-height: 21.3px;" class="">Best wishes</span></font></div>
                                                        <div class=""><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          color="#444444"
                                                          size="3"><span
style="line-height: 21.3px;" class="">Vladimir</span></font></div>
                                                        <div class=""><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          color="#444444"><span
style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 21.3px;" class=""><br class="">
                                                          </span></font></div>
                                                        <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <hr
                                                          id="stopSpelling"
                                                          class="">From:
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a></a><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          Date: Sat, 28
                                                          May 2016
                                                          17:31:33 -0700<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          To: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a></a><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          CC: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jsarfatti@aol.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jsarfatti@aol.com">jsarfatti@aol.com</a></a><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          inertia<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">Hello
                                                          all,</div>
                                                          <div class="">  I’ve
                                                          been thinking
                                                          about the
                                                          unexplained
                                                          0.424 Newtons
                                                          force acting
                                                          on a
                                                          circulating
                                                          double-looped
                                                          charged photon
                                                          to keep it in
                                                          its
                                                          trajectory.
                                                          Any
                                                          double-looping-photon
                                                          electron model
                                                          should have
                                                          this force
                                                          acting on the
                                                          circling
                                                          photon, such
                                                          John and
                                                          Martin’s model
                                                          and Chip’s
                                                          model.  The
                                                          force doesn’t
                                                          have an
                                                          obvious
                                                          source. It
                                                          continuously
                                                          changes the
                                                          direction of
                                                          the circling
                                                          momentum
                                                          without
                                                          changing the
                                                          resting energy
                                                          of the photon.
                                                          It may be that
                                                          vector
                                                          momentum is
                                                          just not
                                                          conserved
                                                          within
                                                          fundamental
                                                          particles even
                                                          though it is
                                                          conserved
                                                          between two or
                                                          more particles
                                                          in their
                                                          mutual
                                                          interactions.
                                                          I believe that
                                                          the Dirac
                                                          equation
                                                          solution for a
                                                          free electron
                                                          hints at this
                                                          internal
                                                          non-conservation
                                                          of momentum
                                                           also during
                                                          zitterbewegung
                                                          motion of the
                                                          free electron
                                                          whose average
                                                          velocity is v
                                                          but whose
                                                          eigenvalue for
                                                          speed is c.
                                                          The
position-momentum relations for the double-looped photon model of the
                                                          electron, as I
                                                          recall, are
                                                          below or just
                                                          at the  the
                                                          exact
                                                          uncertainty
                                                          expression of
                                                          the Heisenberg
                                                          uncertainty
                                                          principle:
                                                          delta x  times
                                                          delta p >
                                                          1/2   hbar ,
                                                          for position
                                                          and momentum
                                                          of an object
                                                          in a
                                                          particular
                                                          coordinate
                                                          direction. So
                                                          it might not
                                                          be possible to
                                                          experimentally
                                                          determine if
                                                          linear
                                                          momentum is
                                                          conserved or
                                                          not within a
                                                          particle. The
                                                          indirect
                                                          evidence that
                                                          there is such
                                                          circulating
                                                          momentum in a
                                                          particle is
                                                          the inertial
                                                          mass m=Eo/c^2
                                                          of the
                                                          particle as it
                                                          is derived
                                                          from the
                                                          photon’s
                                                          circulating
                                                          momentum
                                                          p=Eo/c . If
                                                          there is
                                                          circling
                                                          momentum for a
                                                          single
                                                          particle, then
                                                          momentum
                                                          conservation
                                                          within the
                                                          particle IS
                                                          being
                                                          violated. An
                                                          analogy: just
                                                          as an electron
                                                          has spin but
                                                          it not
                                                          experimentally
                                                          known what
                                                          inside it is
                                                          “spinning", an
                                                          electron has
                                                          inertial mass
                                                          but it is not
                                                          known what
                                                          inside the
                                                          particle is
                                                          “massing”. But
                                                          but the spin
                                                          and the
                                                          inertial mass
                                                          are known
                                                          experimentally.
                                                          A
                                                          double-looping
                                                          photon model
                                                          explains both
                                                          what is
                                                          “spinning" and
                                                          what is
                                                          “massing" in
                                                          an electron.</div>
                                                          <div class=""> 
                                                             Richard</div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">On
                                                          May 27, 2016,
                                                          at 11:50 AM,
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a></a>>
                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br
                                                          class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="word-wrap:
                                                          break-word;"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">Hello
                                                          all,</div>
                                                          <div class="">Jack
                                                          Sarfatti, a
                                                          well-known
                                                          physicist,
                                                          wrote back to
                                                          me about my
                                                          article saying
                                                          that no one
                                                          cares about
                                                          this work,
                                                          that it is
                                                          just
                                                          re-inventing
                                                          the wheel and
                                                          that it is not
                                                          a good problem
                                                          to work on.
                                                          Comments?</div>
                                                          <div class=""> 
                                                             Richard</div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">On
                                                          May 26, 2016,
                                                          at 8:25 PM,
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a></a>>
                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br
                                                          class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="word-wrap:
                                                          break-word;"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">Dear
                                                          John W,
                                                          Martin,
                                                          Chandra,
                                                          Alexander,
                                                          Chip, Andrew,
                                                          Vivian,
                                                          Albrecht, John
                                                          M, David and
                                                          all,</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <span
                                                          id="ecxcid:16EB32ED-15F5-4669-9E25-C792C203C28F@hsd1.ca.comcast.net."
                                                          class=""><A
                                                          New Derivation
                                                          of E=mc^2
                                                          explains a
                                                          particle's
                                                          inertia.pdf></span>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="word-wrap:
                                                          break-word;"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">Here’s
                                                          my latest
                                                          input to the
                                                          inertia/particles
                                                          discussion: my
                                                          proposed new
                                                          derivation of
                                                          Eo=mc^2 and
                                                          the inertial
                                                          mass of a
                                                          particle from
                                                          the momentum
                                                          of a circling
                                                          photon.</div>
                                                          <div class=""> 
                                                             Richard</div>
                                                          <div class=""> </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">On
                                                          May 17, 2016,
                                                          at 6:47 PM,
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a></a>>
                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br
                                                          class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="word-wrap:
                                                          break-word;"
                                                          class="">David
                                                          <div class=""> 
                                                          These newly
                                                          discovered
                                                          photons seem
                                                          very similar
                                                          to
                                                          helically-moving
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged
                                                          photons,
                                                          except for
                                                          their lack of
                                                          electric
                                                          charge.
                                                          Perhaps these
                                                          new spin-1/2
                                                          photons become
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged
                                                          photons when
                                                          they curl up
                                                          in pairs of
                                                          photons with
                                                          opposite
                                                          charge, as in
                                                          e-p pair
                                                          production : "<span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(51, 51,
                                                          51);
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Roboto;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          16px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Researchers made their
                                                          discovery
                                                          after passing
                                                          light through
                                                          special
                                                          crystals to
                                                          create a light
                                                          beam with a
                                                          hollow,
                                                          screw-like
                                                          structure.
                                                          Using quantum
                                                          mechanics, the
                                                          physicists
                                                          theorized that
                                                          the beam's
                                                          twisting
                                                          photons were
                                                          being slowed
                                                          to a
                                                          half-integer
                                                          of Planck's
                                                          constant.</span><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          face="Roboto"
color="#333333" size="3">”</font></div>
                                                          <div class=""><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          face="Roboto"
color="#333333" size="3"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255,
                                                          255);"
                                                          class="">     
                                                          Richard</span></font></div>
                                                          <div class=""><font
                                                          class=""
                                                          face="Roboto"
color="#333333" size="3"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255,
                                                          255);"
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </span></font>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">On
                                                          May 17, 2016,
                                                          at 1:56 PM,
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a></a>>
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:davidmathes8@yahoo.com">davidmathes8@yahoo.com</a></a>>
                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br
                                                          class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="background-color:
                                                          rgb(255, 255,
                                                          255);
                                                          font-family:
                                                          HelveticaNeue,
                                                          'Helvetica
                                                          Neue',
                                                          Helvetica,
                                                          Arial, 'Lucida
                                                          Grande',
                                                          sans-serif;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          16px;"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div
                                                          id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808"
                                                          class=""><span
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6124" class="">Richard</span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808"
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808"
                                                          class=""><span
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6125" class="">If pbotons weren't
                                                          confusing
                                                          enough...just
                                                          as Williams
                                                          proposed a
                                                          quantum number
                                                          for energy,
                                                          these
                                                          researchers
                                                          are proposing
                                                          a quantum
                                                          number for
                                                          angular
                                                          momentum.</span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808"
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6237"
                                                          class=""><span
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6238" class="">The article</span></div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6239" class=""><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2016/05/17/Scientists-discover-new-form-of-light/9061463490086/"
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6240" target="_blank" class="">Scientists
                                                          discover new
                                                          form of light</a><br
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6241" class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6242" class=""><br
                                                          id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6243"
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808"
                                                          dir="ltr"
                                                          class=""><span
id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_6193" style="color: rgb(51, 51,
                                                          51);
                                                          font-family:
                                                          Roboto;"
                                                          class="">"The
                                                          newly
                                                          discovered
                                                          form of light,
                                                          however,
                                                          features
                                                          photons with
                                                          an angular
                                                          momentum of
                                                          just half the
                                                          value of
                                                          Planck's
                                                          constant. The
                                                          difference
                                                          sounds small,
                                                          but
                                                          researchers
                                                          say the
                                                          significance
                                                          of the
                                                          discovery is
                                                          great.'</span><span
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808"
                                                          class=""><span
                                                          class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5808"
                                                          class="">The
                                                          paper<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5825"
                                                          dir="ltr"
                                                          class=""><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/4/e1501748.full"
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                                                          photon:
                                                          Half-quantization
                                                          of a total
                                                          optical
                                                          angular
                                                          momentum |
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                                                          Gauthier <<a
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                                                          of Light and
                                                          Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion
                                                          <<a
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                                                          Burinskii <<a
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                                                          <b class=""><span
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                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday,
                                                          May 14, 2016
                                                          12:30 AM<br
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id="ecxyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463518019710_5854">   This is very good news.
                                                          I’ve been
                                                          reading
                                                          several of
                                                          Alexander
                                                          Burinskii’s
                                                          recent (2015
                                                          and 2016)
                                                          published
                                                          papers on his
                                                          Kerr-Newman
                                                          bag model of
                                                          the electron
                                                          (2 pdf’s
                                                          attached). His
                                                          approach
                                                          integrates
                                                          black-hole
                                                          gravitational
                                                          theory, Higgs
                                                          theory and
                                                          electromagnetism
                                                          to produce a
                                                          internally-light-speed
                                                          model of the
                                                          electron with
                                                          radius
                                                          hbar/2mc like
                                                          John W and
                                                          Martin’s,
                                                          Chip’s,
                                                          Vivian’s and
                                                          my
                                                          double-looping-photon
                                                          electron
                                                          models.
                                                          Alexander's
                                                          electron model
                                                          is
                                                          energetically
                                                          stable,
                                                          contains a
                                                          circulating
                                                          light-speed
                                                          singularity (a
                                                          photon?) in
                                                          addition to an
electromagnetic wave circling along its outer rim along a circular
                                                          gravitational
                                                          string, has
                                                          g=2 (Dirac
                                                          magnetic
                                                          moment of
                                                          magnitude 1
                                                          Bohr
                                                          magneton), is
                                                          a fermion and
                                                          carries the
                                                          electron’s
                                                          charge. I
                                                          think
                                                          Alexander’s
                                                          electron model
                                                          has much to
                                                          offer, coming
                                                          from a
                                                          different
                                                          perspective
                                                          than much of
                                                          our group’s
                                                          electron
                                                          modeling. I
                                                          request
                                                          Alexander to
                                                          give us a
                                                          summary of the
                                                          key features
                                                          (and perhaps a
                                                          brief history)
                                                          of his
                                                          electron
                                                          model,
                                                          emphasizing
                                                          the nature of
                                                          its stability
                                                          (an important
                                                          issue in
                                                          circling-photon
                                                          electron
                                                          models.) I
                                                          hope that this
                                                          will stimulate
                                                          a critical
                                                          discussion of
                                                          his approach
                                                          in comparison
                                                          with our
                                                          various
                                                          approaches to
                                                          electron
                                                          modeling,
                                                          which could
                                                          lead to better
light-speed-based electron models coming up to the next SPIE “What are
                                                          photons”
                                                          conference in
                                                          San Diego in
                                                          August 2017.</div>
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                                                             Richard  </div>
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                                                          class="ecxyiv2438876326">On
                                                          May 12, 2016,
                                                          at 6:12 PM,
                                                          Roychoudhuri,
                                                          Chandra <<a
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                                                          will request
                                                          Burinskii to
                                                          participate in
                                                          our next
                                                          conference. </div>
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                                                          From: Richard
                                                          Gauthier <<a
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                                                          href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a></a>><span
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                                                          Date:
                                                          5/12/2016 2:09
                                                          AM (GMT-05:00)<span
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                                                          To: Nature of
                                                          Light and
                                                          Particles -
                                                          General
                                                          Discussion
                                                          <<a
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                                                          Cc: Alexander
                                                          Burinskii <<a
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                                                          href="mailto:bur@ibrae.ac.ru"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bur@ibrae.ac.ru">bur@ibrae.ac.ru</a></a>><span
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                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          [General]
                                                          inertia<span
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                                                          class="ecxyiv2438876326">Dear
                                                          John W,
                                                          Martin,
                                                          Chandra,
                                                          Vivian,
                                                          Andrew, John
                                                          M, Chip,
                                                          Albrecht,
                                                          Hodge and
                                                          others,</div>
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                                                           I am in
                                                          contact with
                                                          the Russian
                                                          physicist and
                                                          academician
                                                          Alexander
                                                          Burinskii
                                                          (arXiv page of
                                                          his articles
                                                          at<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Alexander+Burinskii/0/1/0/all/0/1"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Alexander+Burinskii/0/1/0/all/0/1">http://arxiv.org/find/all/1/all:+AND+Alexander+Burinskii/0/1/0/all/0/1</a></a> ,
                                                          biography at<a
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href="http://www.scirp.org/journal/DetailedInforOfEditorialBoard.aspx?personID=10183"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.scirp.org/journal/DetailedInforOfEditorialBoard.aspx?personID=10183">http://www.scirp.org/journal/DetailedInforOfEditorialBoard.aspx?personID=10183</a></a> ),
                                                          who has
                                                          written a very
                                                          interesting
                                                          article on
                                                          arXiv:
                                                          “Gravity vs.
                                                          quantum
                                                          theory: Is the
                                                          electron
                                                          really
                                                          pointlike?”
                                                          at <a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.0225"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.0225">http://arxiv.org/abs/1112.0225</a></a> .
                                                          He draws on
                                                          the
                                                          interesting
                                                          resemblance of
                                                          Kerr-Newman
                                                          gravity
                                                          formulations
                                                          to the
                                                          properties of
                                                          the Dirac
                                                          electron as a
                                                          light-speed
                                                          particle that
                                                          can only be
                                                          measured at
                                                          sub-light
                                                          speeds. Here’s
                                                          part of the
                                                          abstract:</div>
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                                                          rgb(255, 255,
                                                          255);">"Contrary
                                                          to the
                                                          widespread
                                                          opinion that
                                                          gravity plays
                                                          essential role
                                                          only on the
                                                          Planck scales,
                                                          the
                                                          Kerr-Newman
                                                          gravity
                                                          displays a new
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                                                          for parameters
                                                          of an electron
                                                          corresponds to
                                                          the Compton
                                                          wavelength and
                                                          turns out to
                                                          be very far
                                                          from the
                                                          Planck scale.
                                                          Extremely
                                                          large spin of
                                                          the electron
                                                          with respect
                                                          to its mass
                                                          produces the
                                                          Kerr geometry
                                                          without
                                                          horizon, which
                                                          displays very
                                                          essential
                                                          topological
                                                          changes at the
                                                          Compton
                                                          distance
                                                          resulting in a
                                                          two-fold
                                                          structure of
                                                          the electron
                                                          background.
                                                          The
                                                          corresponding
                                                          gravitational
                                                          and
                                                          electromagnetic
                                                          fields of the
                                                          electron are
                                                          concentrated
                                                          near the Kerr
                                                          ring, forming
                                                          a sort of a
                                                          closed string,
                                                          structure of
                                                          which is close
                                                          to the
                                                          described by
                                                          Sen heterotic
                                                          string. The
                                                          indicated by
                                                          Gravity
                                                          stringlike
                                                          structure of
                                                          the electron
                                                          contradicts to
                                                          the statements
                                                          of Quantum
                                                          theory that
                                                          electron is
                                                          pointlike and
                                                          structureless.
                                                          However, it
                                                          confirms the
                                                          peculiar role
                                                          of the Compton
                                                          zone of the
                                                          "dressed"
                                                          electron and
                                                          matches with
                                                          the known
                                                          limit of the
                                                          localization
                                                          of the Dirac
                                                          electron." </span></div>
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                                                           I think that
                                                          there some
                                                          potential for
                                                          Alexander
                                                          Burinskii's
                                                          Kerr-Newman
                                                          gravity
                                                          approach to
                                                          the electron
                                                          and the
                                                          various
                                                          double-looping
                                                          photon models
                                                          of the
                                                          electron to
                                                          find some
                                                          common ground
                                                          which may
                                                          benefit both
                                                          approaches to
                                                          modeling the
                                                          electron. In
                                                          particular the
                                                          centripetal
                                                          force of 0.424
                                                          N causing a
                                                          photon of
                                                          energy 0.511
                                                          MeV to move in
                                                          a closed
                                                          double-looping
                                                          trajectory of
                                                          radius
                                                          Ro=hbar/2mc in
                                                          a resting
                                                          electron model
                                                          could be
                                                          related to the
                                                          gravitational
                                                          and
                                                          electromagnetic
                                                          fields and
                                                          gravity
                                                          stringlike
                                                          structure of
                                                          the
                                                          Kerr-Newman
                                                          electron
                                                          model. </div>
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                                                            Richard</div>
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                                                          <div
                                                          class="ecxyiv2438876326">On
                                                          May 9, 2016,
                                                          at 4:37 AM,
                                                          Albrecht Giese
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                                                          wrote:</div>
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                                                          Richard,<br
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                                                          it is true
                                                          that we do not
                                                          know
                                                          everything in
                                                          physics
                                                          (otherwise
                                                          there would be
                                                          no reason for
                                                          further
                                                          research).
                                                          However, many
                                                          facts and
                                                          rules are
                                                          understood,
                                                          and I do not
                                                          see a good
                                                          reason to go
                                                          behind this
                                                          knowledge.<br
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                                                          From my
                                                          2-particle
                                                          model it
                                                          follows for
                                                          leptons and
                                                          for quarks
                                                          that there is
                                                          E = h*ny. The
                                                          frequency is
                                                          the
                                                          circulation,
                                                          the energy
                                                          follows from
                                                          the mass which
                                                          the model
                                                          yields, when
                                                          using E =
                                                          m*c^2. This
                                                          latter
                                                          relation also
                                                          follows from
                                                          this model. (I
                                                          have presented
                                                          all this in
                                                          San Diego; it
                                                          was also
                                                          discussed here
                                                          earlier as I
                                                          remember; and
                                                          it is on my
                                                          web site "The
                                                          Origin of
                                                          Mass". Of
                                                          course I can
                                                          explain it
                                                          here again if
                                                          there is a
                                                          demand.)<br
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                                                          As these
                                                          relations
                                                          obviously also
                                                          apply to the
                                                          photon, it
                                                          seems very
                                                          plausible that
                                                          the photon has
                                                          a similar
                                                          structure like
                                                          a lepton and a
                                                          quark. The
                                                          rules apply if
                                                          c is inserted
                                                          for the speed.
                                                          This also
                                                          leads to
                                                          p=h*ny/c.<br
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                                                          And which
                                                          further
                                                          details do we
                                                          know about the
                                                          photon? It
                                                          must have an
                                                          extension as
                                                          it has a spin
                                                          which is
                                                          physically not
                                                          possible
                                                          without an
                                                          extension. And
                                                          it must have
                                                          charges as it
                                                          reacts with an
                                                          electric field
                                                          which is
                                                          otherwise not
                                                          explainable.
                                                          There must be
                                                          at least two
                                                          charges, a
                                                          positive and a
                                                          negative one,
                                                          as the photon
                                                          as a whole is
                                                          neutral. The
                                                          spin is twice
                                                          the one of a
                                                          lepton or a
                                                          quark, this
                                                          may be an
                                                          indication
                                                          that the
                                                          photon is
                                                          built by 4
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          rather than 2
                                                          of the kind
                                                          which I have
                                                          described.<span
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                                                          So, if the
                                                          photon has
                                                          positive and
                                                          negative
                                                          charges, which
                                                          means that it
                                                          has
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          with positive
                                                          and negative
                                                          charges, it is
                                                          quite
                                                          plausible that
                                                          the photon can
                                                          decompose into
                                                          a positive and
                                                          a negative
                                                          elementary
                                                          particle, so
                                                          into a
                                                          positron and
                                                          an electron.<span
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                                                          (You may call
                                                          this
                                                          speculative.
                                                          But it has
                                                          some strongly
                                                          plausible
                                                          aspects which
                                                          I am missing
                                                          in the other
                                                          models
                                                          presented
                                                          here.)<br
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                                                          The curling-up
                                                          which you have
                                                          mentioned has
                                                          an orbital
                                                          component. To
                                                          move on an
                                                          orbit needs
                                                          some physical
                                                          conditions.
                                                          E.g. an
                                                          influence
                                                          which causes
                                                          the
                                                          acceleration
                                                          to its center.
                                                          This should be
                                                          physically
                                                          explained.<br
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                                                          The conflict
                                                          between the
                                                          necessary
                                                          Higgs field
                                                          and the vacuum
                                                          field in the
                                                          universe is
                                                          treated in the
                                                          article of
                                                          F.J. Tipler in<span
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                                                          <span
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class="ecxyiv2438876326">arXiv</em>:<em class="ecxyiv2438876326">astro</em>-<em
class="ecxyiv2438876326">ph</em>/<em class="ecxyiv2438876326">0111520v1
                                                          .<span
                                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></em>It
                                                          is well known
                                                          by particle
                                                          physicists   I
                                                          have at
                                                          conferences
                                                          here<span
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class="ecxyiv2438876326st">asked<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
class="ecxyiv2438876326st">several times the presenters of the Higgs
                                                          model for this
                                                          discrepancy.
                                                          They have
                                                          always
                                                          admitted that
                                                          this conflict
                                                          exists, but
                                                          some have
                                                          tried to blame
                                                          the
                                                          astronomers
                                                          for it. No one
                                                          ever has
                                                          presented a
                                                          solution for
                                                          the conflict.<br
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                                                          Albrecht</span><br
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                                                          Am 07.05.2016
                                                          um 23:32
                                                          schrieb
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier:<br
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                                                          Albrecht,</div>
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                                                            Thank your
                                                          for your
                                                          further
                                                          comments and
                                                          questions.</div>
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                                                            Your are
                                                          asking me why
                                                          photons have
                                                          momentum
                                                          p=hv/c .
                                                          That’s like
                                                          asking why
                                                          photons have
                                                          energy E=hv .
                                                          In physics
                                                          nobody knows
                                                          “why” anything
                                                          happens.
                                                          “Why?”
                                                          questions
                                                          always lead
                                                          back to a big
                                                          unknown.
                                                          Physicists
                                                          observe nature
                                                          qualitatively
                                                          and
                                                          quantitatively
                                                          and search for
                                                          cause-effect
                                                          relations,
                                                           equations,
                                                          theoretical
                                                          models and
                                                          symmetry
                                                          relations that
                                                          work ("save
                                                          the
                                                          appearances"),
                                                          and lead to
                                                          further and
                                                          better (more
                                                          accurate)
                                                          physical
                                                          predictions
                                                          that often
                                                          lead to
                                                          practical
                                                          applications
                                                          and hopefully
                                                          deeper
                                                          “understanding”
                                                          of physical
                                                          phenomena.</div>
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                                                          </div>
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                                                             You ask why
                                                          a spin-1/2
                                                          photon curls
                                                          up. You could
                                                          just as well
                                                          ask why a
                                                          spin-1 photon
                                                          doesn’t curl
                                                          up, since it
                                                          has spin. (My
                                                          transluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          model of a
                                                          spin-1 photon
                                                          at<a
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href="https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron">https://www.academia.edu/4429810/Transluminal_Energy_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron</a></a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> is a helical model that is
                                                          consistent
                                                          with  both a
                                                          photon's
                                                          spin-1 hbar
                                                          and its
                                                          forward linear
                                                          momentum
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                                                              Your own
                                                          comments on
                                                          the possible
                                                          nature and
                                                          make-up of
                                                          photons are
                                                          extremely
                                                          speculative to
                                                          say the least.
                                                          You have no
                                                          photon model
                                                          at all. There
                                                          is zero
                                                          experimental
                                                          evidence that
                                                          a photon is
                                                          composite. You
                                                          should at
                                                          least try to
                                                          show how a
                                                          sufficiently
                                                          energetic
                                                          photon leads
                                                          to your
                                                          electron model
                                                          in
                                                          electron-positron
                                                          pair
                                                          production.</div>
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                                                          </div>
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                                                              You claim
                                                          that
                                                          astronomers
                                                          deny the
                                                          existence of a
                                                          Higgs field
                                                          strong enough
                                                          to explain
                                                          noticeable
                                                          forces in
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles.
                                                          That is a
                                                          blanket
                                                          statement that
                                                          needs
                                                          supporting
                                                          evidence.
                                                          Please support
                                                          your claim
                                                          here with
                                                          sources. It’s
                                                          like claiming
                                                          that
                                                          “scientists
                                                          say”.  Thanks.</div>
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                                                                Richard</div>
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                                                          May 7, 2016,
                                                          at 10:23 AM,
                                                          Albrecht Giese
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                                                          wrote:</div>
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                                                          Richard,<br
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                                                          thank you for
                                                          your mail. I
                                                          still have
                                                          questions to
                                                          your
                                                          explanations:<br
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                                                          To para 1):<br
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                                                          According to
                                                          you
                                                          explanations
                                                          the circular
                                                          motion is
                                                          mainly
                                                          achieved by
                                                          the fact that
                                                          the particles
                                                          are "curling
                                                          up". Which
                                                          physical law
                                                          do you have in
                                                          mind that
                                                          causes them to
                                                          curl up? What
                                                          are the
                                                          quantitative
                                                          consequences?
                                                          - You say that
                                                          there is a
                                                          "configurational"
                                                          force which
                                                          controls the
                                                          internal
                                                          motion of an
                                                          electron and a
                                                          positron. You
                                                          assume that
                                                          this may come
                                                          from the Higgs
                                                          field. I think
                                                          that this is
                                                          highly
                                                          speculative as
                                                          astronomers
                                                          deny the
                                                          existence of a
                                                          Higgs field
                                                          which is
                                                          strong enough
                                                          to be an
                                                          explanation
                                                          for noticeable
                                                          forces in
                                                          elementary
                                                          particles.<br
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                                                          To para 2):<br
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                                                          The momentum
                                                          of a photon is
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                                                          true. But what
                                                          is the
                                                          physical
                                                          mechanism
                                                          causing this
                                                          momentum?
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                                                          I believe that
                                                          my mass
                                                          mechanism is
                                                          applicable to
                                                          the photon.
                                                          The photon has
                                                          an extension,
                                                          so it has
                                                          inertia by the
                                                          standard
                                                          mechanism for
                                                          extended
                                                          objects. And
                                                          in addition I
                                                          think that the
                                                          photon may be
                                                          composed by
                                                          the same
                                                          sub-particles
                                                          ("basic
                                                          particles")
                                                          like leptons
                                                          and quarks.
                                                          The question
                                                          still open for
                                                          me is, why the
                                                          photon moves
                                                          steadily with
                                                          c. An
                                                          explanation
                                                          may be that it
                                                          moves always
                                                          into a certain
                                                          direction with
                                                          respect to its
                                                          internal set
                                                          up. On the
                                                          other hand,
                                                          the fact that
                                                          the rest mass
                                                          of the photon
                                                          is zero is
                                                          nothing more
                                                          than a
                                                          mathematical
                                                          result. Was
                                                          never
                                                          measured.<span
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                                                          Albrecht<span
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                                                          Am Sat, 30 Apr
                                                          2016 um
                                                          17:22:00
                                                          schrieb
                                                          Richard
                                                          Gauthier:<br
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                                                          Albrecht,</div>
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                                                           <span
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                                                          you for your
                                                          two thoughtful
                                                          questions.</div>
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                                                          try to answer
                                                          them:</div>
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                                                          class="ecxyiv2438876326">1)
                                                          I think it is
                                                          an incorrect
                                                          assumption
                                                          that only a
                                                          second
                                                          electric
                                                          charge or a
                                                          corresponding
                                                          permanent
                                                          field can
                                                          cause a
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          to move in a
                                                          circular or
                                                          helical
                                                          configuration.
                                                          Have you
                                                          considered
                                                          other possible
                                                          explanations?
                                                          One I have
                                                          considered, in
                                                          the context of
                                                          e-p
                                                          production, is
                                                          that two
                                                          uncharged
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          photons of are
                                                          formed in the
                                                          process of
                                                          electron-positron
                                                          pair
                                                          production
                                                          from a spin-1
                                                          photon of
                                                          sufficient
                                                          energy
                                                          (greater than
                                                          1.022 MeV). At
                                                          first the two
                                                          uncharged
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          photons both
                                                          move forward
                                                          together in a
                                                          kind of
                                                          unstable
                                                          equilibrium.
                                                          One has a
                                                          negative
                                                          charge
                                                          potentiality
                                                          and the other
                                                          has a positive
                                                          charge
                                                          potentiality,
                                                          yet both are
                                                          still neutral.
                                                          These two
                                                          uncharged
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          photons can
                                                          either then
                                                          unite with
                                                          each other to
                                                          form a spin-1
                                                          photon, or
                                                          they can
                                                          separate in
                                                          the presence
                                                          of a nearby
                                                          charged
                                                          nucleus and
                                                          each curl up,
                                                          gaining
                                                          negative and
                                                          positive
                                                          charge
                                                          respectively,
                                                          as well as
                                                          rest mass
                                                          Eo/c^2, and
                                                          slowing down
                                                          (as they
                                                          become an
                                                          electron and
                                                          positron) to
                                                          less than
                                                          light-speed as
                                                          they curl up.
                                                          (Internally
                                                          these spin-1/2
                                                          charged
                                                          photons
                                                          maintain
                                                          light-speed c
                                                          in their
                                                          forward
                                                          direction, but
                                                          their
                                                          curled-up
                                                          configurations
                                                          as a electron
                                                          and a positron
                                                          have v < c
                                                          .) Once they
                                                          are both fully
                                                          curled up to
                                                          form a fully
                                                          charged
                                                          electron and
                                                          positron, they
                                                          continue to
                                                          move apart.
                                                          Now they each
                                                          have a stable
                                                          internal
                                                          equilibrium
                                                          (because of
                                                          conservation
                                                          of electric
                                                          charge) and
                                                          they cannot
                                                          individually
                                                          unroll (except
                                                          perhaps
                                                          virtually) to
                                                          become an
                                                          uncharged
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          photon, and so
                                                          they remain a
                                                          stable
                                                          electron and a
                                                          stable
                                                          positron.
                                                          Their own
                                                          charged
                                                          curled-up
                                                          stable
                                                          equilibrium
                                                          maintains them
                                                          in their
                                                          curled-up
                                                          configurations,
                                                          supplying the
                                                          necessary
                                                          configurational
                                                          force that
                                                          maintains
                                                          their
                                                          circulating
                                                          motion to form
                                                          an electron or
                                                          a positron.
                                                          This
                                                          configurational
                                                          force that
                                                          maintains each
                                                          of them curled
                                                          up would be a
                                                          non-electrical
                                                          force. Perhaps
                                                          this
                                                          configurational
                                                          force that
                                                          maintains the
                                                          electron and
                                                          the positron
                                                          curled up with
                                                          rest mass and
                                                          moving at less
                                                          than
                                                          light-speed c,
                                                          comes from the
                                                          Higgs field.</div>
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                                                           <span
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                                                          an electron
                                                          and positron
                                                          meet, they may
                                                          first form a
                                                          positronium
                                                          atom. Then
                                                          they both
                                                          uncurl and
                                                          unite to form
                                                          an unstable
                                                          neutral
                                                          particle which
                                                          decays
                                                          immediately
                                                          into two or
                                                          three spin-1
                                                          photons, in
                                                          the process of
electron-positron annihilation.</div>
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                                                          Why does the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          have momentum?
                                                          you ask.  It
                                                          is because it
                                                          is a photon
                                                          with momentum
                                                          hv/c . My
                                                          model of the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          is similar to
                                                          my internally
                                                          transluminal
                                                          model of an
                                                          uncharged
                                                          photon, except
                                                           that the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          makes two
                                                          helical loops
                                                          instead of one
                                                          per photon
                                                          wavelength,
                                                          and the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          model's
                                                          helical radius
                                                          is 1/2 that of
                                                          the helical
                                                          radius of a
                                                          spin-1 photon
                                                          model , being
                                                          R=lambda/4pi
                                                          instead of
                                                          lambda/2 pi.
                                                          The uncurled
                                                          transluminal
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          uncharged
                                                          photon model
                                                          curls up
                                                          nicely into a
                                                          curled-up
                                                          double-looping
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          model of an
                                                          electron. You
                                                          can read about
                                                          my
                                                          superluminal
                                                          uncharged
                                                          photon model
                                                          at <a
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                                                          I can e-mail
                                                          you a copy. I
                                                          have only
                                                          talked about
                                                          my current
                                                          model of the
                                                          superluminal
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged photon
                                                          on the “Nature
                                                          of Light and
                                                          Particles”
                                                          e-list during
                                                          the past year.</div>
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                                                          hope these
                                                          possible
                                                          explanations
                                                          of the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          charged-photon
                                                          model are
                                                          helpful. I
                                                          don’t think
                                                          that you have
                                                          a photon model
                                                          yet that is
                                                          consistent
                                                          with your
                                                          two-particle
                                                          electron
                                                          model, in
                                                          terms of e-p
                                                          production and
                                                          e-p
                                                          annihilation.</div>
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                                                          class="ecxyiv2438876326">The
                                                          figure below,
                                                          which I
                                                          included in
                                                          this e-list
                                                          some months
                                                          ago, shows a
                                                          curled-up spin
                                                          1/2 charged
                                                          photon forming
                                                          a resting
                                                          electron (top
                                                          graphic) and
                                                          at different
                                                          increasing
                                                          relativistic
                                                          speeds (lower
                                                          graphics). The
                                                          green line is
                                                          the
                                                          double-looping
                                                          helical
                                                          trajectory of
                                                          the
                                                          circulating
                                                          charged photon
                                                          forming the
                                                          electron,
                                                          while the red
                                                          line is the
                                                          trajectory of
                                                          the
                                                          superluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          of the
                                                          spin-1/2
                                                          photon model.
                                                          The
                                                          superluminal
                                                          energy quantum
                                                          in the resting
                                                          electron moves
                                                          on the surface
                                                          of a
                                                          mathematical
                                                          horn torus. As
                                                          the speed v of
                                                          the electron
                                                          model
                                                          increases, the
                                                          radius of the
                                                          green helical
                                                          trajectory
                                                          decreases as
                                                          1/gamma^2 ,
                                                          while  the
                                                          radius of the
                                                          red trajectory
                                                          of the
                                                          superluminal
                                                          quantum
                                                          decreases as
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