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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Hi Richard,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I know you're not claiming
established scientific validity for your model, any more than any of us
is. It was just that you didn't actually reference your model in that
statement: you made a factual statement about Compton scattering ("<FONT
color=#000000>energy lost by the Compton-scattered x-ray photon is gained by the
recoiling electron</FONT>") and then carried straight on with the statement that
the photon forming the electron "<FONT color=#000000>would continue to make two
full helical loops for each wavelength (as in a resting electron)</FONT>" - thus
giving the impression that both of those assertions carried the same degree of
authority (rather than one being established fact and the other simply a feature
of your model). That's why I asked for a reference to any evidence of the
latter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>With regard to quantitive
verification of the behaviour of my model in accordance with empirical evidence
in Compton scattering: I cover this subject very thoroughly in my book, over six
full pages. I consider the impact of a photon on a moving electron as seen from
within the static observer frame and also the 'rest-frame' of the electron, from
both the SR perspective and the perspective of a unique objectively static
universal rest-frame (which is of course the scenario for my view of both energy
propagation and particle structure). I show that the latter
perspective gives identical results (for differing reasons) to the SR
perspective, including the appearance of an invariant 'rest-mass' in the
(moving) electron rest-frame despite the fact that said electron is now carrying
more formative energy (i.e higher-frequency formative photon) in its objectively
assessed motion state. This is presented as a follow-on to what I consider
to be a robust proof of inertial frame asymmetry.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Best
regards,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=richgauthier@gmail.com href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">Richard
Gauthier</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion</A> ; <A title=grahame@starweave.com
href="mailto:grahame@starweave.com">Dr Grahame Blackwell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 23, 2016 2:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Photon cycle rate
in moving particle - faster orslower??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Grahame,</DIV>
<DIV> I’m sorry if you thought that I might have been claiming
that my description of the double-looping helically-moving spin-1/2 charged
photon composing the recoiling electron in the Compton experiment is an
established fact. That would be the same as claiming that my spin-1/2 charged
photon model of the electron is itself an established fact, which it obviously
is not and which I have never claimed and I am not such a fool as to claim.
But it is a good exercise to see how one’s electron model would apply to an
experimental situation, like the Compton effect or for example the
photoelectric effect or to an electron in an atom. I would very much like to
see quantitatively what your model of the electron (and also John W’s and
Vivian’s and Chip’s models) would look like when applied to the recoiling
electron in the Compton effect.</DIV>
<DIV> Richard</DIV><BR>
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<DIV>On Jun 23, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Dr Grahame Blackwell <<A
href="mailto:grahame@starweave.com">grahame@starweave.com</A>>
wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Hi Richard,</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Thanks for that info. I'd seen pretty
well all of that before, of course - and I believe we're agreed that there's
a lot of common ground between your view of a particle and mine. I
agree also that there are some very useful contributions to the debate
coming from all of those you mention, I also found Chandra's latest posting
(his book chapter) most interesting on a rather different aspect of the same
issue.</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>My question (below) in my previous email was
specifically about the reducing size of a particle as its speed
increases. In your previous mailing (below mine) you stated that
"<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The helically-moving charged
photon composing the recoiling electron would continue to make two
full helical loops for each wavelength (as in a resting electron) but at a
higher looping frequency</FONT>", as if it's an established fact related to
Compton scattering rather than just your view (presumably essential to your
model). I was interested to know whether there is empirical evidence
of this; I see that as rather different from 'It follows from your model,
which is consistent with various empirical data' - they're two rather
different things.</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----<SPAN
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=richgauthier@gmail.com
href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">Richard Gauthier</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">Nature of Light
and Particles - General Discussion</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=phil.butler@canterbury.ac.nz
href="mailto:phil.butler@canterbury.ac.nz">Phil Butler</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=abooth@ieee.org
href="mailto:abooth@ieee.org">Anthony Booth</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=sleary@vavi.co.uk
href="mailto:sleary@vavi.co.uk">Stephen Leary</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
title=martin.van.der.mark@philips.com
href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com">Mark,Martin van der</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=slf@unsw.edu.au
href="mailto:slf@unsw.edu.au">Solomon Freer</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:52
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] Photon cycle rate
in moving particle - faster orslower??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hello Grahame,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> Some of the empirical evidence that is consistent with
the relativistically-moving spin-1/2 charged photon model of the electron,
that you asked fort, is indicated below. You are right that a lateral
decrease in the size of an electron with increasing speed raises questions
about relativity, which is fine. But facts are facts, and need explaining.
Maybe we can make some progress here to further clarify these issues, as
John W, Alexander, Martin, Vivian, Chip and yourself among others, have
already contributed to.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>1) The model explains the origin of the inertial mass m of the
resting electron as due to the time rate of change of the momentum mc of
the circulating photon having circulating energy Eo=mc^2 (other
circling-photon models can also explain this), according to Newton’s 2nd
law F=dp/dt = ma .</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>... etc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2
face=Arial>....................</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jun 22, 2016, at 3:37 AM, Dr Grahame Blackwell <<A
href="">grahame@starweave.com</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Hi Richard,</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I'm not sure where you found your
empirical evidence that "<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">The
helically-moving charged photon composing the recoiling electron
would continue to make two full helical loops for each wavelength (as in a
resting electron) but at a higher looping frequency</FONT>", I'd be very
interested to see that. Or is it just a supposition based on SR
frame symmetry?</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Either way it seems to me that this
proposal creates a major problem for SR (and for the established empirical
evidence): if the formative energy of a particle is circulating faster in
a moving particle, then the effects of that energy flow (i.e. time effects
within the particle, such as particle decay - which can ONLY be down to
internal energy flow) will occur *faster* in a moving particle than in a
static one; this appears to be totally contrary to observed fact, for
example in fast-moving muons. [I appreciate that this evidence
relates to muons and you're talking about electrons - but if completely
different principles apply in those two elementary particles I think we'll
need an explanation for why - and some empirical evidence].</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, June 22, 2016 5:43
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] PS: Matter
comprised of light-speed energy</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Hi John D,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> In Compton scattering, the wavelength of the incoming
photon increases, not decreases, as the photon is scattered by the
electron. The energy lost by the Compton-scattered x-ray photon is gained
by the recoiling electron. The internal wavelength of the circulating
spin-1/2 charged photon composing the recoiling electron would decrease
corresponding to the increased energy of the recoiling electron. The
helically-moving charged photon composing the recoiling electron
would continue to make two full helical loops for each wavelength (as in a
resting electron) but at a higher looping frequency, corresponding to the
shorter wavelength distance along the helix for two helical
loops..</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Richard</DIV>
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