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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Hi Chip & Richard (et
al.),</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Chip, I'd fully agree with you that
the formative photon for an electron must be a circularly polarised wave (which
is what I think you're describing) - a plane or elliptically polarised wave is
just superposition of elements of left and right circular polarisation, that
doesn't fit for me in formation of an elementary particle.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I'm still a little puzzled, though,
about aspects of your electron model. If radius contracts with motion at
exactly the inverse of the wave frequency - which itself relates to speed as in
the Relativistic Energy-Momentum Relation - this would seem to lead to a
complete double-cycle completing in a moving electron in the same time from
the perspective of the static observer as it does for the static
electron; if an atomic clock is now placed alongside that electron, first static
with it then moving with it, that atomic clock will slow down from the static
observer's perspective - but the photon will take the same time to complete its
double-cycle. If we now consider this scenario from the perspective of an
observer moving with the electron, presumably they will see the photon
completing its double-cycles as the static observer does - but they'll see the
clock ticking off LESS time per double-cycle (as the static observer does) than
the static observer sees for clock and electron when static. How do you
reconcile this with SR? Or don't you? [I know you don't consider an
elementary particle to be subject to time dilation internally - but this is a
different 'observer experience' for an EXTERNAL observer.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Likewise I'm not clear how you can
derive the Lorentz Transformation from this setup (as I believe you say you
have)? How do you DEFINE the passage of time?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Thirdly, you note that your setup
conserves spin angular momentum; this is true if we only take into account
the angular momentum caused by the photon's linear momentum acting cyclically -
but what of the spin angular momentum of the photon itself (hbar): in the
helical motion of the photon when the electron is moving, there will be a
component of photon spin acting around the axis of the direction of motion
of the electron. [I don't consider this a serious issue, but it seems Richard
might - see below.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Richard</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>You ask Alex and Chip whether their
electron models maintain spin-1/2 at all velocities; I'd be interested to know
whether you have any reference to empirical evidence that electron spin is
conserved at relativistic speeds (rather than just conjecture). I'm
finding it extremely difficult (as I may have said before) to envisage ANY
configuration in which a photon moves helically in a moving electron in such a
way that the increasing (with electron speed) component of photon spin in the
electron's direction of motion at all times exactly balances the decrease (which
there must be, if the books are to balance as you require) in the angular
momentum conferred on the electron by the cyclic motion of the photon with its
increasing linear momentum. I'm wondering, therefore, whether this is an
absolute requirement for a photon-formed electro model (since it's beginning to
look a bit like an impossibility!) or whether this is just supposition based on
text-book stuff which may itself regard spin as inviolate for reasons that might
broadly be regarded as 'dogma'?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I'd also again put out a plea to
anyone who can give me a compelling reason (if there is one) why
'confinement' of an electron-forming photon cannot be as a result of
self-interference across the interior of such a structure (as per the attachment
with my last mailing).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Many thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chipakins@gmail.com href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">Chip Akins</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">'Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 23, 2016 12:17
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] double photon
cycle, subjective v objective realities</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Hi Richard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Electron:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">My electron model is still
evolving. At this point in its development it is a wave, one Compton
wavelength long, looped around twice. The radius is the wavelength
divided by 4 pi. With relativistic motion the radius contracts with 1/gamma
and the energy in the wave (and the momentum of the wave) increase with
gamma. The spin angular momentum therefore remains ½
hbar.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">(My view of the structure of the
wave however is not the same as many interpretations of Maxwellian waves.)
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Photon:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">In my view the photon is a
rotational wave, not just a transverse planar wave. Therefore the energy
distribution in my imagined photon remains constant and we just sense the
electric portion and then the magnetic portion as the wave turns and travels
forward. The energy in the electric field of the photon does not magically
fall to zero and then reappear as energy in the magnetic field, but rather the
energy in both is always constant, and rotating at the photon’s frequency. The
electric and magnetic fields are perpendicular. So when we measure the effects
of the wave (fields) perhaps on a wire, we see alternating electric and
magnetic effects. Multiple photons, with different spin directions, phases,
and slight frequency variations can then yield all forms of wave polarization
we observe. Plane, circular, with apparent spin and orbital angular momentum,
etc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Chip <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> General
[mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard Gauthier<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 22, 2016
11:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
<general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[General] double photon cycle, subjective v objective
realities<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Hello Alex and Chip, <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> Do your bag model of the electron and your
electromagnetic model of the electron have clear predictions about the radius
of your moving electron models? Does the bag model of the electron move in a
helical trajectory as the electron moves relativistically, or does it move as
a ring? Same for the electromagnetic model? Does it maintain its spin 1/2 hbar
at all velocities of the electron model? In this forum there is a variety of
views and predictions on this important topic of the energy and momentum
structure of a relativistic electron, and it would be good to narrow these
down as we get more and deeper insights, both from experiment and from
theory. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> Richard<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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