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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Grahame:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I share your general sentiment. I’ll read through your paper and get back to you. Meanwhile I rather think the “shake the rug” waves are light waves. A gravitational field is a place where space is inhomogeneous, not curved. See what Percy Hammond says</span><span class=comment-copy><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#242729'> <a href="http://www.compumag.org/jsite/images/stories/newsletter/ICS-99-06-2-Hammond.pdf">here</a>: <i>"We conclude that the field describes the curvature that characterizes the electromagnetic interaction"</i>. </span></span><span style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>John D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'> General [mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br><b>Sent:</b> 20 August 2016 16:37<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Gravity and ultraweak-photonemission<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>Hi Wolfgang, John M, John D, Hubert, Vladimir, Beverly et al.,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>There appear to be very strong reasons to believe that gravitation is in fact an EM effect. If one starts from the premise that elementary particles are themselves electromagnetic constructs then it's almost a foregone conclusion. That premise was strongly evidenced by Landau & Lifshits in Sov. Phys., 1934, reinforced by Breit & Wheeler later that same year and proved beyond all reasonable doubt at SLAC in 1997 by Burke et al. (Phys Rev Lett 79, pp1626-9).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>It's at times somewhat paradoxical to me that physicists (present company excepted!) all too often go looking for complicated explanations when there's a simple one staring them in the face. If one simply sees the force of attraction between unlike unit charges as being minutely greater than the force of repulsion between like charges - and there's no known reason why they should be identical (in fact it's likely that they won't) - then gravitation drops out totally naturally as the difference between those two effects. This would seem to sit well with Occam's razor since it eliminates the need for one otherwise totally unexplained cosmic force at a stroke. We know that every nucleon is made up of a mix of particles of opposing charge (quarks) to give an overall charge; it seems eminently likely that even those quarks are formed from energies that, taken separately, would give rise to either positive or negative charge elements to give the overall charge for a quark - this links the gravitational effect of a particle directly to its total energy content and so to its total mass.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>I've attached a copy of my paper, published in 'Kybernetes' five years ago, that details this proposal for gravitation. You'll see that it posits the notion that space(-time) has a 'texture' (also explaining its 'stiffness' and the 'curvature of spacetime') given by the summation of all time-varying EM field effects emanating from all of the material particles in the universe - this of course draws on the fact that electromagnetic fields are unlimited in their reach (and electromagnetic potential is unblockable - Aharonov-Bohm Effect), i.e. that what we experience as a localised particle is just the 'core', so to speak, of an electromagnetic field effect unlimited in its extent. The (-time) in brackets above reflects the fact that this 'texture' of this 'neo-aether' is continually varying as celestial bodies (and groups of celestial bodies) are themselves in continuous motion, so also is their contribution to this 'textured' continuum.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>I'd be most interested in any feedback on this proposal, including of course any clear reasons (if any such exist) why it may not be a feasible proposition. You'll note that this concept includes a pretty thorough explanation for every aspect of the Equivalence Principle as included in GR. There's also the strong implication that the gravity waves recently detected are themselves electromagnetic constructs (since the fabric of spacetime is itself EM in nature, and so susceptible to being 'shaken like a rug' by such waves); this may have something to say to Beverly's field of interest, since tidal forces are themselves in a sense a pale shadow of gravity waves.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>Thanks all,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy'>Grahame</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid navy 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com" title="wolf@nascentinc.com">Wolfgang Baer</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</a> ; <a href="mailto:brubik@earthlink.net" title="brubik@earthlink.net">Beverly Rubik</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> Monday, August 15, 2016 12:49 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> Re: [General] Gravity and ultraweak-photonemission<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p>Hubert <o:p></o:p></p><p>I've come into contact with a number of claims that connect gravitation with local Electromagnetic phenomena. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Obviously is the detection of gravity waves recently announced.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regibald Cahill also claims random number generators based on the Zener diode are actually not random but effected by gravity. I've not been able to reproduce his experiment but am working on it.<o:p></o:p></p><p>REcently an Italian group has connected proton emission from stressed iron being linked to the Cosmic background radiation cold spot.<o:p></o:p></p><p>I feel here is a connection but it is difficult to trust results, good low level photon experiments are difficult to perform and can easily be misread let alone interpreted. In this case could other rhythms offer alternative explanations or correlations?<o:p></o:p></p><p>I've cc this to Ms Rubik who is familiar with these emission effects. It would be good to gather a shit load of empirical data on these phenomena so if you know any other experiments along these lines please let me know.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p>wolf<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 8/13/2016 11:50 PM, Defiant NCC001 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-AT>To whom it may concern,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-AT>A couple of months ago, I found the following article:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-AT>Spontaneous ultra-weak light emissions from wheat seedlings are rhythmic and synchronized with the time profile of the local gravimetric tide</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-AT><a href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00114-012-0921-5">http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00114-012-0921-5</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-AT>This article demonstrates an interaction between tides (gravitational influence of the moon) and emission of <i>ultraweak photons</i></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-AT>How can such a phenomenon be explained ?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-AT>Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE-AT>Hubert</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Gesendet von <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> für Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a href="mailto:Wolf@nascentinc.com">Wolf@nascentinc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href=<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/wolf%40nascentinc.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1">"http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/wolf%40nascentinc.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1"</a>><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Click here to unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></pre><pre></a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a href="mailto:grahame@starweave.com">grahame@starweave.com</a><br><a href="<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/grahame%40starweave.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/grahame%40starweave.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></body></html>