<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2596">Wolf</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2623">"Who can argue with learning and following nature's rules..."<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2624">Appearently, the majority of people in the US and EU. Notice that the people wanting to limit (much less eliminate) support for the poor, sick, infirm, etc. are consistently voted out of office. the same happened in Greece a few years ago. The socialists won and Greece still suffers.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2625">The Malthus catastrophy can be averted by many other methods. I noted the polenisian islander method. Another is to abandon humaniterianism as a moral model. The growth of the US paper suggests that the states compete to find the optimal social organization for humanity rather than the federal government regulating failed programs.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2626">The baby boomer generation's children and grandchildren with their humanitarianism ideals may ( I think will) cause collapse before any deregulation takes place.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2627">I think that science can avert much of the loomng catastrophy if it is allowed to do so. However, <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2628">the emphasis in science is to inhibit truely new models. Look at how new QM ideas are suppressed (not published and rejected). Not even experimental data rejecting current status quo will be accepted. I was told before "Your experiment is contradiced by the standard model, therefore it is wrong.)<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2629">Well, NOL and some few others may help change this but as we experience in NOL it is not working.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2630">How can we get a magizine with the criteria for publication of quality of the writing, quality of the arguement, self--coherence, validity of the experiment/obervation, etc. Rather the adherence to standard models. Getting new paradym isn't the problem - NOL has suggested many. The problem is in having the model examined by the community which requires fertile ground for at least examining and publication. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2631">This may seem a weirdtopic for NOL. But it is a fundamental problem for the reason that NOL exists. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2632">Hodge</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471814456816_2633" dir="ltr"><span></span><br></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, August 21, 2016 3:26 PM, Wolfgang Baer <wolf@nascentinc.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8460656376"><div>
<div>John:</div>
<div>Who can argue with learning and following nature's rules ,
however two thoughts</div>
<div>1) the Malthus catastrophe has always been averted by technology
breakthrough which improved our ecological nitch</div>
<div> I see no reason we need to be stuck in the current paradigm ,
but I believe we need to examine the foundations of our physics,
philosophy, and world view package we have been saddled with
during the 20'th century. Quantum theory may have helped build
some systems, but it is not comprehensible without major ad hoc
miracles attached. We need a new way of looking at things. <br clear="none">
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<div>2) Is it possible that our current defeatist attitude regarding
technology is due to the aging process. WE now have baby boomers
retiring and they just want a steady as she goes peaceful last
years with no challenges. <br clear="none">
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<div>Perhaps we need to wait tll the baby boomer generation has
passed?</div>
<div>best</div>
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<pre class="yiv8460656376moz-signature">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
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<div class="yiv8460656376yqt5084760775" id="yiv8460656376yqt69530"><div class="yiv8460656376moz-cite-prefix">On 8/21/2016 11:46 AM, Hodge John
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<div id="yiv8460656376yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471805006616_2434"> Grahame:<br id="yiv8460656376yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471805006616_2435" clear="none">
I echo your concern for humanity's future. I suggest Nature
(or natural laws) has controlled the overpopulation problems
of species and humanity. All we really need to do is determine
nature's rules and follow them. Unfortunately society is
currently deviating from nature's rules. The result has
historically been catastrophic for humanity as noted by
Malthus's catastrophe. Our self-control can avert such a
catastrophe. Note the Chinese attempt was contrary to Nature's
rules. The Chinese slowed the birth of healthy children and
supported the growth of sick and infirm children.</div>
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<div id="yiv8460656376yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471805006616_2437">A child born with
a severe disability is a sink for resources that may be better
spent on advancing humanity (healthy children). Ancient
societies lacking technology let the disabled die. The
Polynesians on their island had a socially accepted way to
commit suicide so the island resources would not be
over-taxed. I society doesn't accept nature's laws; Nature
will kill that society (the weak certainly and many of the
strong). Thus the current ongoing collapse of the US (and
western society) will continue. Many of the characteristics of
collapse of modern society have been present for several
decades [pp. 209-216] Tainter,~J.~A., 1990. ``The Collapse of
Complex Societies''. </div>
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<div id="yiv8460656376yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471805006616_2439">On a larger
scale, humanitarianism harms society by other causes of
failure. Humanitarianism induces a strong trend toward
conformity (being Politically Correct). This is a need to
maintain the status quo and to reject advances in science.
Historically, societies that stop scientific advance loose
wars to societies that bring scientific advances. </div>
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HREF=<a class="yiv8460656376moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1093" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">"http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1093"</a>>Growth
challenge of the United States</A></div>
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This is a criteria and method/rules for developing advances in
science:<br id="yiv8460656376yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471805006616_2445" clear="none">
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HREF=<a class="yiv8460656376moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1757" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">"http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1757"</a>>STOE
emergence</A></div>
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