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<p>Thank you all for the responses there is lots to think about.</p>
<p>I agree Blackwell <font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">a
proper understanding of gravitation - then our species is at
very serious risk of imploding and taking much (most?) of life
on this planet with us. <br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">The elementary particle explanations of gravity are also interesting but like Albrecht Geise's revolving particles
I tend to resist trying to extend our knowledge of Elementary particles to explain more and more. It seems to me a simle
understanding of how the two great forcecategories we do see Electricity and GravityInertia play with each other is a more fruitful approach.
Burinski's comment that gravty is not so weak and is compensated by spin. I do not understand unless you are talking about
inertial forces
I should remind people my SPIE paper suggested long range inertial forces due to relatively random motions of distant masses
may explain the random single particle phenmena that cause the postulated intrinsic uncertaintu in Quantum Theory.
Any emperical connection or experiment you know about would be appreciated.
Wolf
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/21/2016 7:54 AM, Roychoudhuri,
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<div>Grahame: I like your spirit, the mode of thinking. I call it
ergently needed "Evolution Process Congruent Thinking", which I
sometimes express as, "Reverse System Engineering Thinking".</div>
<div>My papers can be downloaded from the web: phy.ucon.edu --
faculty -- research; the link is below my image.</div>
<div>Keep up the good spirit.</div>
<div>Chandra. </div>
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From: Dr Grahame Blackwell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:grahame@starweave.com"><grahame@starweave.com></a> <br>
Date: 8/21/2016 8:04 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>
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Subject: Re: [General] Gravity and ultraweak-photonemission <br>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">Thanks John,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">I'm more than
ever convinced that unless we can get a better grasp of what
'space-time' actually IS - which fundamentally means a
proper understanding of gravitation - then our species is at
very serious risk of imploding and taking much (most?) of
life on this planet with us. For the past century or more
we've been looking inward rather than outward; humankind is
essentally an outward-looking race (the very word 'race'
implies that!), and without somewhere to look outward TO we
tend to flounder and bicker - just look around the planet
today! The world is so vastly overcrowded now, and set to
be increasingly more so, with numerous environmental issues
to compound the problem. We need new horizons, new
frontiers, more than we ever did in the time of Vasco de
Gama and Columbus!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">[As an aside, I
hope we'd also be rather more considerate of any indigenous
lifeforms that those who followed Columbus!]</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">That's a major
reason why I've offered my proposal on gravitation for
consideration. If we don't crack this one, VERY soon, we
may run out of time, lebensraum AND the ability to deal with
the pressure-cooker environment we've created for
ourselves. David Attenborough is proposing that we
seriously limit population growth; the Chinese have tried
that and it didn't work - and it never will; the 'prime
directive' built into our makeup by evolution is
procreation. Our planet is like a dandelion head full of
seeds ready to fly - we've even been exploring the heavens
around us for places to fly TO! What we need now is the way
to do it; I earnestly believe that the way to do it is there
in a greater understanding of matter, space-time and
gravitation - but not as long as the established scientific
community insists on hanging on to outdated paradigms and
doggedly refuses to even look at things from a new
perspective.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">Ok, off my
soap-box now. But I do really hope that a few of you out
there will take a look at my paper posted with my last
email; if there's something clearly wrong with it, please
tell me - if not, please tell others! Thanks.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">Grahame</font></div>
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href="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com">
John Duffield</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
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<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 20,
2016 6:04 PM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General]
Gravity and ultraweak-photonemission</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I share
your general sentiment. I’ll read through your paper and
get back to you. Meanwhile I rather think the “shake the
rug” waves are light waves. A gravitational field is a
place where space is inhomogeneous, not curved. See what
Percy Hammond says</span><span class="comment-copy"><span
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.compumag.org/jsite/images/stories/newsletter/ICS-99-06-2-Hammond.pdf">here</a>:
<i>"We conclude that the field describes the curvature
that characterizes the electromagnetic interaction"</i>.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">John D</span></p>
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style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> General
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 August 2016 16:37<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Gravity and
ultraweak-photonemission</span></p>
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style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif; color:navy;
font-size:10pt">Hi Wolfgang, John M, John D, Hubert,
Vladimir, Beverly et al.,</span><span
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style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif; color:navy;
font-size:10pt">There appear to be very strong reasons
to believe that gravitation is in fact an EM effect.
If one starts from the premise that elementary
particles are themselves electromagnetic constructs
then it's almost a foregone conclusion. That premise
was strongly evidenced by Landau & Lifshits in
Sov. Phys., 1934, reinforced by Breit & Wheeler
later that same year and proved beyond all reasonable
doubt at SLAC in 1997 by Burke et al. (Phys Rev Lett
79, pp1626-9).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif; color:navy;
font-size:10pt">It's at times somewhat paradoxical to
me that physicists (present company excepted!) all too
often go looking for complicated explanations when
there's a simple one staring them in the face. If one
simply sees the force of attraction between unlike
unit charges as being minutely greater than the force
of repulsion between like charges - and there's no
known reason why they should be identical (in fact
it's likely that they won't) - then gravitation drops
out totally naturally as the difference between those
two effects. This would seem to sit well with Occam's
razor since it eliminates the need for one otherwise
totally unexplained cosmic force at a stroke. We know
that every nucleon is made up of a mix of particles of
opposing charge (quarks) to give an overall charge; it
seems eminently likely that even those quarks are
formed from energies that, taken separately, would
give rise to either positive or negative charge
elements to give the overall charge for a quark - this
links the gravitational effect of a particle directly
to its total energy content and so to its total mass.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif; color:navy;
font-size:10pt">I've attached a copy of my paper,
published in 'Kybernetes' five years ago, that details
this proposal for gravitation. You'll see that it
posits the notion that space(-time) has a 'texture'
(also explaining its 'stiffness' and the 'curvature of
spacetime') given by the summation of all time-varying
EM field effects emanating from all of the material
particles in the universe - this of course draws on
the fact that electromagnetic fields are unlimited in
their reach (and electromagnetic potential is
unblockable - Aharonov-Bohm Effect), i.e. that what we
experience as a localised particle is just the 'core',
so to speak, of an electromagnetic field effect
unlimited in its extent. The (-time) in brackets
above reflects the fact that this 'texture' of this
'neo-aether' is continually varying as celestial
bodies (and groups of celestial bodies) are
themselves in continuous motion, so also is their
contribution to this 'textured' continuum.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif; color:navy;
font-size:10pt">I'd be most interested in any feedback
on this proposal, including of course any clear
reasons (if any such exist) why it may not be a
feasible proposition. You'll note that this concept
includes a pretty thorough explanation for every
aspect of the Equivalence Principle as included in
GR. There's also the strong implication that the
gravity waves recently detected are themselves
electromagnetic constructs (since the fabric of
spacetime is itself EM in nature, and so susceptible
to being 'shaken like a rug' by such waves); this may
have something to say to Beverly's field of interest,
since tidal forces are themselves in a sense a pale
shadow of gravity waves.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif; color:navy;
font-size:10pt">Thanks all,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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