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<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1">Hi John D:</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1">it is only a
little thing but I think it is anyway important, so here again:<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1">The equation
</font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="+1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif" size="-1"><font size="+1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">c</span></font></font></span></font></span></font></span><font
size="+1"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1">=1/</font><font
size="+1"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">√</span></font></font></span></font><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">(ε₀</span></font></span></font><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">μ₀</span></font></span></font>)
</span></font></span></font><font size="+1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif" size="-1">is mathematically correct but
physically a bit confusing. One should better say: </font></span></font><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="+1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif" size="-1"><font size="+1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">√</span></font></font></span></font>μ₀</span></font></span><font
size="+1"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica,
Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif" size="-1">=1/</font><font size="+1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">c√</span></font></font></span></font><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">(ε₀)</span></font></span><font
size="+1"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font><font
size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">. Reason is
that the speed of light c is not defined by </font></font><font
size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">ε₀</span></font></span></font><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica,
Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:
12pt;">μ₀, </span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></font></font><font
size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">but </font></font><font
size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font
size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font></span></font><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">μ₀</span></font></span></font></span></font></span></font></font></font>
(i.e. magnetism) is caused and so defined by the limitation of
the speed of light. It is known since long time that magnetism
is a seeming side effect of the electric field in the way that
temporal offsets at a moving electric field with their
relativistic effects cause the impression that there is
something different than the electric field, i.e. magnetism.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">For
those not familiar with this fact I refer to the well known
book "Special Relativity" of P. French, and for more details
to the book: "Classical Electromagnetism via Relativity" by W.
G. Rosser.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">It is true
that the speed of light varies e.g. in a gravitational field.
And so the permeability has to change in a gravitational
field. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I fully
agree to your statement that the variation of c in a
gravitational field causes the gravitational attraction. That
is (also) my model of gravity, but I did not notice before
that someone else has the same understanding.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Regards<br>
Albrecht Giese</font></font><font size="+1"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</span></font></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.08.2016 um 09:01 schrieb John
Duffield:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Good
stuff. The speed of light in space is given as c =
1/√(ε₀μ₀). There’s a reciprocal because permittivity is a
how-easy measure rather than a how-difficult measure, but
apart from that IMHO it’s no different to v = √(μ/ρ). Vacuum
permittivity and permeability are said to be constant, but
they aren’t. The speed of light is spatially variable in the
room you’re in. If it wasn’t, light wouldn’t curve and your
pencil wouldn’t fall down. As for the speed of gravity, I
don’t have a strong view on that. But I do have a strong
view on this: <i>at the event horizon, the speed of light
is zero</i>. That’s why the vertical light beam can’t get
out. That’s why the black hole is black. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">John
D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> General
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chip Akins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 August 2016 22:15<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Gravity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Hi John D and Vladimir<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">As it turns out gravity
needs to be 10000 to 20000 times as fast as light in order
for the orbits of the pulsars to be as we observe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">If most of the mass of a
black hole is inside the “event horizon” then how does the
huge gravity field escape? It seem that all of the black
holes gravity escapes the event horizon with no problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">For a black hole to have
gravity which is related to its mass then gravity HAS to
travel faster than light.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Charge (the Coulomb field)
also travels “almost instantaneously” (10000 to 20000 times
the speed of light).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Yes John D. Transverse (S)
waves travel at the velocity:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if gte msEquation 12]><m:oMathPara><m:oMath><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>v=</m:r></span><m:rad><m:radPr><m:degHide m:val="on"/><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:radPr><m:deg></m:deg><m:e><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>μ</m:r></span></i></m:num><m:den><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>ρ</m:r></span></i></m:den></m:f></m:e></m:rad></m:oMath></m:oMathPara><![endif]--><!--[if !msEquation]--><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Where v is velocity of
propagation, </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria
Math",serif" lang="EN-US">𝜇</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> is the transverse modulus
of the medium, and </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria
Math",serif" lang="EN-US">𝜌</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> is the “density” of the
medium.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">And longitudinal (P) waves
travel at the velocity:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if gte msEquation 12]><m:oMathPara><m:oMath><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>v=</m:r></span><m:rad><m:radPr><m:degHide m:val="on"/><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:radPr><m:deg></m:deg><m:e><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>K</m:r></span></i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>+ </m:r></span><m:d><m:dPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:dPr><m:e><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>4</m:r></span></m:num><m:den><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>3</m:r></span></m:den></m:f><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>μ</m:r></span></i></m:e></m:d></m:num><m:den><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>ρ</m:r></span></i></m:den></m:f></m:e></m:rad></m:oMath></m:oMathPara><![endif]--><!--[if !msEquation]--><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Where K is the bulk or
longitudinal modulus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">We have never found a medium
which supports transverse waves and does not support
longitudinal waves. Longitudinal waves are always faster,
and can be orders of magnitude faster.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> General [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Duffield<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion' <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Gravity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Chip:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I don’t think
it’s heresy. See <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/seismic.html">hyperphysics</a>:
<i>“S waves travel typically 60% of the speed of P waves”. <o:p></o:p></i></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I wouldn’t bat
an eyelid if different types of waves in space travelled at
different speeds too. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">But I have to
say I’m not totally convinced by the recent LIGO news. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> General [<a
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href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vladimir Tamari<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 August 2016 16:14<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Gravity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The pulsars analysis sounds interesting
- a reference would be appreciated. Would it change
calculation if one considers that just as light slows down
in a gravitational field (as John D pointed out) gravity
itself would slow down in its own field. A gravitational
wave starts out sluggish just after starting out at the edge
of the black holes and reach c in empty space?<br>
<br>
Here is a thought: Following my own arguments would
measuring light velocity as c in the Earth's gravitational
field mean it is larger in space?!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Vladimir<br>
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On Aug 25, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Chip Akins <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Hi All</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">The issue of gravity is a bit more
involved than the density of electromagnetic fields.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">When we study binary pulsars, we see
orbits which are much more stable than they would be if
gravity traveled at the speed of electromagnetic fields.
Studying pulsars is important because if the speed of
gravity is the same as the speed of light these pulsars
would change their orbits at a specific rate, but they
do not. The “static field” argument does not apply to
pulsars which are moving massive bodies with their
gravitational centers constantly changing. Studying
pulsars clearly indicates that gravity is much faster
than light (electromagnetic fields).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">It seems that gravity may be the
result of the Coulomb field (electric charge) density
instead of electromagnetic field density. (There is a
significant difference between the Coulomb field and
electromagnetic fields). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">I have quoted two experiments on this
forum before, conducted in Italy, which indicate that
the Coulomb field (charge) is much faster than the speed
of light, just a Feynman found in one of his papers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">While moving charge creates
electromagnetic fields, charge is not the same as an
electromagnetic field. It is not even the same as the E
portion of the EM field. Charge is a quantized quantity,
EM radiation may be any magnitude.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">There are things in this universe
which travel much faster than light.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">I know some will consider these
statements to be “heresy”, but take a good look at the
experimental evidence and the issue of binary pulsars.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Happy to provide references for those
interested.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Chip</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> General [<a
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href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Duffield<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 25, 2016 2:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion' <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Gravity</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Vlad:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">It’s the Einstein
digital papers. See <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol7-trans/156?highlightText=%22spatially%20variable%22">this</a>.
The first page is <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol7-trans/129?ajax">here</a>.
Einstein was talking about the <i>“Fundamental Ideas
and Methods of the Theory of Relativity, Presented in
Their Development”.</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="t-search-snippet1"><span
style="font-family:inherit;color:#222222"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Note though that
Einstein wasn’t talking in terms of “a car decelerating
because it takes a curve”. He was talking about a car’s
path curving to the left <i>because</i> the speed of
its wheels on the left is less than the speed of its
wheels on the right. Imagine you’re driving down a
country road. The road is muddy on the left, so the car
pulls left. We steer tanks in this fashion. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Your paper
reminds me of Inhomogeneous Vaccuum, an Alternative
Interpretation of Curved Spacetime. See attached. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><image002.jpg><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">John </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> General [<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vladimir Tamari<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 August 2016 03:04<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Gravity</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Very good Grahame<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John D. What is the book you quoted
about light speed varying? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes Einstein admitted that the speed
of light had to vary, as in mechanics the speed slows
down with curvature - that is the link between gravity
and acceleration - actually deceleration when a car
takes a curve. Unfortunately the whole unnecessarily
complex structure of General Relativity equations
remained expressed in the language of variable
spacetime!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my 1993 paper United Dipole Field
I show how curvature of light rays ie gravity occured in
the variable refractive index of a dipole. <a
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href="http://vladimirtamari.com/United-Dipole-Field-Tamari.pdf">http://vladimirtamari.com/United-Dipole-Field-Tamari.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here is a figure from the Dipole
paper. I generalized this idea in my Beautiful Universe
model for an entire Universe made up of such dipoles.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Vladimir<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><image003.jpg><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Vladimir<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">_____________________<o:p></o:p></p>
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href="http://vladimirtamari.com">vladimirtamari.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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On Aug 25, 2016, at 2:47 AM, John Duffield <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Grahame:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sorry I
haven’t got back to you on your paper yet, I’ve been
busy. But note that Einstein never said light curves
because spacetime was curved. He said light curves
because the speed of light varies with position. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Light
curves for the same reason sonar waves curve.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><image002.gif><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">JohnD</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> General [<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 August 2016 14:38<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Gravity</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Dear
Chandra, John D, John H, Wolf and others,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Thanks,
Chandra, for your response. I totally agree that
the answer to the gravitation issue (as to so many
others) involves reverse engineering the system we
refer to as reality. More on that below. (I also
find myself in strong agreement with your views on
'the spacetime continuum'.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">John
D, I agree also the the 'curvature' of spacetime
is in fact inhomogeneity of the electromagnetic
field density - which also appears to concur with
Hammond's view. More on this also below.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Wolf,
I understand your preference for considering the
interplay of electricity and gravity/inertia;
however, given that gravitation is an effect
wholly engendered by particles of matter, it seems
most unlikely that we're going to understand
gravity without getting a clear grip on those
particles.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">The
SR 'explanation' of gravitation as 'curvature of
spacetime' is in fact no explanation at all - it
says nothing about WHAT is being curved, HOW it's
being curved, WHAT it is about matter that causes
that curvature or WHY light and material objects
move in accordance with that 'curvature'. It's a
useful picture, certainly, but in terms of
explanation it appears to add little to Newton's
action-at-a-distance (other than relativistic
effects).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">So
let's try a bit of that reverse systems
engineering:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Fact
(1): It's known (and has been since at least 1934)
that particles of matter are (time-varying)
electromagnetic constructs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Fact
(2): Given fact (1), and given that
electromagnetic field effects drop off
inverse-quadratically in relation to the distance
from their source, it follows that material
particles will have a presence that likewise drops
off as the inverse square of distance; that
presence is detectable - we refer to it by two
names: gravitation and electrical charge.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Fact
(3): In this very real sense every particle of
matter is in fact unlimited spatially in its
extent; the limitations that we attribute to such
particles are in fact limitations of our own
perception, which is only capable of detecting
them through 'virtual photon' interactions, which
are interactions between the central 'cores'
(loops) of particles being sensed and particles
doing the sensing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Fact
(4): Given facts (1) - (3), it follows that the
whole of space will be permeated by the totality
of (time-varying) electromagnetic field effects
from all the particles in the universe, each
contributing in accordance with the inverse square
law; given also the evening out of 'positive' and
'negative' charge effects on a macroscopic scale,
these field effects constitute what we refer to as
'the universal gravitational field'.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Fact
(5): That field will vary in intensity in
accordance with distance from the various massive
bodies that form it; this varying intensity of
electromagnetic field effects will influence the
behaviour of other electromagnetic constructs
passing through that field, i.e. ensembles of
particles that form massive bodies; (it is
implicit in this, of course, that the principle of
coherent superposition of linear photons won't
apply to these non-linear time-varying
electromagnetic field effects - i.e.they will
influence each other through a complex process
of mutual interference).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Fact
(6): This varying density of field effects will
give this continuum a 'shape' defined by the
surfaces of equal intensity of those effects;
these 3-D contours will effectively determine the
motion of electromagnetic constructs - light,
particles - through that medium; (any scuba diver
who has seen or felt a thermocline in water will
have a good analogy to work from here).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Fact
(7): It's implicit, and would necessarily be the
case, that, although electrostatic charge 'cancel
out' if they are equal and opposite, the
electromagnetic field effects giving rise to those
charges will in fact be additive across the
cosmos; likewise, though gravitational 'pull' from
opposing directions may appear to cancel out,
there may still be a strong gravitational field in
that location - think of a plateau high on a great
mountain, with a small hillock on that platea.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Fact
(8): Substantial supporting detail for this
perspective on gravitation can be found in my
paper 'Cosmic System Dynamics', posted with my
email of 20th August.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">A
couple of points as a postscript:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">(a)
This means that we ourselves, being ensembles of
material particles, actually extend across the
whole cosmos; this may prove relevant;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">(b)
The entire cosmos is in fact one electromagnetic
entity; from the QM point of view there is just
ONE wavefunction, spanning the whole universe:
wavefunctions for single particles or ensembles of
particles are in fact local approximations to this
universal wavefunction, in which terms for more
distant influences have been ignored as being
insignificant; this could well have something to
say about 'quantum randomness', which may in fact
be those other influences tipping the balance
(this is also expanded upon in my book).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Best
regards to all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Re: [General] Gravity and
ultraweak-photonemission</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext">Grahame:
I like your spirit, the mode of thinking. I call
it ergently needed "Evolution Process Congruent
Thinking", which I sometimes express as,
"Reverse System Engineering Thinking".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext">My
papers can be downloaded from the web: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://phy.ucon.edu">phy.ucon.edu</a> --
faculty -- research; the link is below my image.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext">Keep up
the good spirit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:windowtext">Chandra. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Date: 8/21/2016 8:04 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>
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Subject: Re: [General] Gravity and
ultraweak-photonemission </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Thanks
John,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">I'm
more than ever convinced that unless we can
get a better grasp of what 'space-time'
actually IS - which fundamentally means a
proper understanding of gravitation - then our
species is at very serious risk of imploding
and taking much (most?) of life on this planet
with us. For the past century or more we've
been looking inward rather than outward;
humankind is essentally an outward-looking
race (the very word 'race' implies that!), and
without somewhere to look outward TO we tend
to flounder and bicker - just look around the
planet today! The world is so vastly
overcrowded now, and set to be increasingly
more so, with numerous environmental issues to
compound the problem. We need new horizons,
new frontiers, more than we ever did in the
time of Vasco de Gama and Columbus!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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New Roman",serif;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">[As
an aside, I hope we'd also be rather more
considerate of any indigenous lifeforms that
those who followed Columbus!]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">That's
a major reason why I've offered my proposal on
gravitation for consideration. If we don't
crack this one, VERY soon, we may run out of
time, lebensraum AND the ability to deal with
the pressure-cooker environment we've created
for ourselves. David Attenborough is
proposing that we seriously limit population
growth; the Chinese have tried that and it
didn't work - and it never will; the 'prime
directive' built into our makeup by evolution
is procreation. Our planet is like a
dandelion head full of seeds ready to fly -
we've even been exploring the heavens around
us for places to fly TO! What we need now is
the way to do it; I earnestly believe that the
way to do it is there in a greater
understanding of matter, space-time and
gravitation - but not as long as the
established scientific community insists on
hanging on to outdated paradigms and doggedly
refuses to even look at things from a new
perspective.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Ok,
off my soap-box now. But I do really hope
that a few of you out there will take a look
at my paper posted with my last email; if
there's something clearly wrong with it,
please tell me - if not, please tell others!
Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com"
title="johnduffield@btconnect.com">John
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
Re: [General] Gravity and
ultraweak-photonemission</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Grahame:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I
share your general sentiment. I’ll read
through your paper and get back to you.
Meanwhile I rather think the “shake the rug”
waves are light waves. A gravitational field
is a place where space is inhomogeneous, not
curved. See what Percy Hammond says</span><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#242729">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.compumag.org/jsite/images/stories/newsletter/ICS-99-06-2-Hammond.pdf">here</a>:
<i>"We conclude that the field describes
the curvature that characterizes the
electromagnetic interaction"</i>. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">John
D</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:windowtext"> General [<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame
Blackwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 August 2016 16:37<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Gravity
and ultraweak-photonemission</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Hi
Wolfgang, John M, John D, Hubert,
Vladimir, Beverly et al.,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">There
appear to be very strong reasons to
believe that gravitation is in fact an EM
effect. If one starts from the premise
that elementary particles are themselves
electromagnetic constructs then it's
almost a foregone conclusion. That
premise was strongly evidenced by Landau
& Lifshits in Sov. Phys., 1934,
reinforced by Breit & Wheeler later
that same year and proved beyond all
reasonable doubt at SLAC in 1997 by Burke
et al. (Phys Rev Lett 79, pp1626-9).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">It's
at times somewhat paradoxical to me that
physicists (present company excepted!) all
too often go looking for complicated
explanations when there's a simple one
staring them in the face. If one simply
sees the force of attraction between
unlike unit charges as being minutely
greater than the force of repulsion
between like charges - and there's no
known reason why they should be identical
(in fact it's likely that they won't) -
then gravitation drops out totally
naturally as the difference between those
two effects. This would seem to sit well
with Occam's razor since it eliminates the
need for one otherwise totally unexplained
cosmic force at a stroke. We know that
every nucleon is made up of a mix of
particles of opposing charge (quarks) to
give an overall charge; it seems eminently
likely that even those quarks are formed
from energies that, taken separately,
would give rise to either positive or
negative charge elements to give the
overall charge for a quark - this links
the gravitational effect of a particle
directly to its total energy content and
so to its total mass.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">I've
attached a copy of my paper, published in
'Kybernetes' five years ago, that details
this proposal for gravitation. You'll see
that it posits the notion that
space(-time) has a 'texture' (also
explaining its 'stiffness' and the
'curvature of spacetime') given by the
summation of all time-varying EM field
effects emanating from all of the material
particles in the universe - this of course
draws on the fact that electromagnetic
fields are unlimited in their reach (and
electromagnetic potential is unblockable -
Aharonov-Bohm Effect), i.e. that what we
experience as a localised particle is just
the 'core', so to speak, of an
electromagnetic field effect unlimited in
its extent. The (-time) in brackets above
reflects the fact that this 'texture' of
this 'neo-aether' is continually varying
as celestial bodies (and groups of
celestial bodies) are themselves in
continuous motion, so also is their
contribution to this 'textured' continuum.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">I'd
be most interested in any feedback on this
proposal, including of course any clear
reasons (if any such exist) why it may not
be a feasible proposition. You'll note
that this concept includes a pretty
thorough explanation for every aspect of
the Equivalence Principle as included in
GR. There's also the strong implication
that the gravity waves recently detected
are themselves electromagnetic constructs
(since the fabric of spacetime is itself
EM in nature, and so susceptible to being
'shaken like a rug' by such waves); this
may have something to say to Beverly's
field of interest, since tidal forces are
themselves in a sense a pale shadow of
gravity waves.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Thanks
all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Grahame</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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