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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Roy (et al)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Thanks for this. I believe I'm
in full agreement with all you've said (as long as I've understood it
correctly); my only slight difference in view is, I believe, a matter of
semantics rather than science.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Like you, I don't accept the concept
of 'force-carrying particles'; this concept appears to raise far more questions
than it answers (if it answers any) - it certainly doesn't in any way offer
significantly greater insight than the 'action at a distance' proposed by
Newton. [Not to put too fine a point on it, I find it an insult to
the intelligence as it appears to expect a whole raft of counter-intuitive
notions to be taken on trust.] I agree 100% with your definition of
rest-mass, also the additional 'oscillatory energy' that relates to motion,
induced by some form of 'force gradient' that is itself an extended consequence
(part of the structure) of 'material particles' and moves concomitantly with
them. In this respect such 'force effects' are not in some way
communicated at light-speed or faster, they are an integral part of the particle
producing that effect: if a complete unified singular object moves as a whole,
we don't propose that one part of the object 'communicates its motion' to
another part (at FTL speed) so that it too moves - it just IS a unified
moving body. No threat to causality there. The fact that our limited
senses don't perceive the whole of that extended entity doesn't mean that it
can't exist - its very action proves that it does, in accordance with our
understanding of EM effects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>My difference in view relates to your
observation that particles "are not made of photons"; as I say, I believe this
is a matter of semantics - essentialy how one defines a photon. We agree
that they are formed from light-like oscillations of the universal field -
i.e. TEM wave packets. If one defines a photon simply as a TEM wave packet
then particles are formed from photons; if however we add the stipulation
that a photon radiates rectilinearly from its dipole oscillatory source, then by
definition that wave packet forming a particle cannot be a photon. The
fact that elementary particles are (or at least can be) initially
created from photons is, I believe, established by Landau & Lifshits (1934)
and demonstrated by the SLAC multiphoton Breit-Wheeler experiment of
1997.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I'm interested in your observation
that the 'force gradient' of a particle will be distorted by a state of motion;
I agree that this must be true, since the configuration of its formative field
will be somewhat different. As you say, it would be interesting if it were
possible to construct an experiment to demonstrate this - I suspect one would
first have to persuade the experimenters that SR is primarily a subjective
effect, so that they don't apply 'SR logic' as an objective truth to their
readings!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu
href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu">Roychoudhuri, Chandra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:24
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Gravity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=WordSection1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">Chip,
Albrecht, and the rest of the team:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Chip:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">After
reading the article by Flandern, sent by Chip, I dug out a possible later
publication by Flandern. The link is given below.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">……………………………..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><A
title="Foundations of Physics"
href="http://link.springer.com/journal/10701"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555">Foundations of Physics</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">July
2002, Volume 32, <A title="Issue 7"
href="http://link.springer.com/journal/10701/32/7/page/1"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555">Issue 7</SPAN></A>, pp
1031–1068<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 9.35pt; BACKGROUND: #fcfcfc; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 9.35pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"
lang=EN>“Experimental Repeal of the Speed Limit for Gravitational,
Electrodynamic, and Quantum Field Interactions” by </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; LETTER-SPACING: 0.2pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><A
title="View author's information"
href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A%3A1016530625645#author-details-1"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Tom Van
Flandern</SPAN></A>, <A title="View author's information"
href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A%3A1016530625645#author-details-2"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Jean-Pierre Vigier</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">…………………………………………..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">The beginning
caveat – I am not a theorist and am not conversant with the GR math. My
knowledge of GR is mostly from review articles without math. Now, after
reading Flandern, Now I believe, like that for SR, GR does also have rather
serious foundational problems. And our understanding of momentum of a moving
object needs to explored deeper in light of the fact that mass in not some
immutable “substance”. It is the perturbation energy that creates the resonant
self-looped oscillation of the cosmic Complex Tension Field (CTF); the rest
mass being the original oscillation-inducing energy. Spatial (definitely
not space-time) velocity, induced by some “force gradient” adds further
energy to a particle in the form of “kinetic oscillations”. We need to
carefully analyze how we measure and interpret “momentum” since mass is not an
immutable intrinsic property. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">Even with my
limited experimental expertise, I have always intuitively believed that forces
are not mediated by various force particles. Thus, I clearly disagree with
Flandern and Vigier. I have said that in many of my publications, including my
book.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">Based upon the
various intrinsic physical tension properties of the CTF, the self-looped
oscillations in the CTF generate various kinds of decaying potential gradients
of the CTF properties around the oscillating “particle”. These gradients are
not exactly like the physical curvature in a stretched membrane (prevailing GR
analogy). Then the “particles” in the vicinity of each other will move towards
or away from each other depending upon the sign of the potential gradients.
all into or are repulsed by this gradient. Hence<B><I>, these force gradients
are mobile with the particles and would suffer spatial distortion at very high
velocity.</I></B> Attempts to measure these distortion should open up new
frontiers of physics. “The potential gradients representing “forces”, obey the
principle of linear superposition; very much like the EM wave amplitudes; even
though the former is “stationary” around the parent particle; and the latter
is true propagating wave that follows the classic wave
equation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">LCH should
accommodate a new group of experimentalist to design experiments to measure
the distortions in the electrostatic “force gradient” generated by speeding
electrons and protons. Speedy protons-electron collision might help reveal the
distortion in their gravitational potential gradients. These potential
gradient based “forces” are not <B><I>communicated</I></B> by some particles.
Causality is not violated. “c” is not exceeded by anything since even the
particles are light-like self-looped oscillations. Note that I am using the
phrase, light-like oscillations of the CTF; they are not constructed out of
photons. Photon wave packets are linear propagating excitations of the CTF;
perpetually running away from the original point in space where they were
created by some dipole oscillation (from radio to nuclear).
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Albrecht:
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">In a separate
recent email you have raised a very important point, which in some of my
epistemology articles underscore as the necessity of assigning the physical
parameters in any physics equation with the hierarchy of “primary”,
“secondary”, “tertiary”, etc., based upon the physical roles they play in
interactions with other entities; or their emergence out of the CTF. So, I
like your argument related to </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif">√μ</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria Math',serif">₀</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">=1/</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif">c√(ε</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria Math',serif; COLOR: windowtext">₀</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">.
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In
this context, we may note that Einstein</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">preferred
to write m=E/c-squared; because m is not an immutable property; it is an
emergent property in our methods of measuring it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Chandra.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext"> General
[mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Chip Akins<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:41
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'
<general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[General] Gravity<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi
Vladimir<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Here is one
reference for the speed of gravity and pulsars.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>The speed of gravity – What the experiments say –
attached.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Chip<SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext"> Chip Akins [</SPAN><A
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">mailto:chipakins@gmail.com</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:15
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'
<</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">><BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [General]
Gravity<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi John D and
Vladimir<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As it turns out
gravity needs to be 10000 to 20000 times as fast as light in order for the
orbits of the pulsars to be as we observe.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If most of the
mass of a black hole is inside the “event horizon” then how does the huge
gravity field escape? It seem that all of the black holes gravity
escapes the event horizon with no problem.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">For a black hole
to have gravity which is related to its mass then gravity HAS to travel faster
than light.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Charge (the
Coulomb field) also travels “almost instantaneously” (10000 to 20000 times the
speed of light).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Yes John
D. Transverse (S) waves travel at the velocity:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Where v is
velocity of propagation, </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria Math',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">𝜇</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> is the
transverse modulus of the medium, and </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria Math',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">𝜌</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> is the
“density” of the medium.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And longitudinal
(P) waves travel at the velocity:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><!--[if gte msEquation 12]><m:oMathPara><m:oMath><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>v=</m:r></span><m:rad><m:radPr><m:degHide m:val="on"/><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:radPr><m:deg></m:deg><m:e><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>K</m:r></span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>+ </m:r></span><m:d><m:dPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:dPr><m:e><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>4</m:r></span></m:num><m:den><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>3</m:r></span></m:den></m:f><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>μ</m:r></span></i></m:e></m:d></m:num><m:den><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>ρ</m:r></span></i></m:den></m:f></m:e></m:rad></m:oMath></m:oMathPara><![endif]--><![if !msEquation]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><IMG
style="WIDTH: 1.166in; HEIGHT: 0.777in" id=_x0000_i1025
src="cid:5CA0409C4DA44C1184288BE7AF7F7DAD@vincent" width=112 height=75></SPAN><![endif]><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Where K is the
bulk or longitudinal modulus.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">We have never
found a medium which supports transverse waves and does not support
longitudinal waves. Longitudinal waves are always faster, and can be orders of
magnitude faster.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Chip<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext"> General [</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John Duffield<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Nature of Light and Particles
- General Discussion' <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General]
Gravity<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Chip:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>I don’t think it’s
heresy. See </SPAN><A
href="http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/seismic.html"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>hyperphysics</SPAN></A><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>:
<I>“S waves travel typically 60% of the speed of P waves”.
<o:p></o:p></I></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><I><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>I wouldn’t bat an
eyelid if different types of waves in space travelled at different speeds too.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>But I have to say
I’m not totally convinced by the recent LIGO news. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>John<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext"> General [</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Vladimir
Tamari<BR><B>Sent:</B> 25 August 2016 16:14<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General]
Gravity<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Chip</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=AppleMailSignature>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>The pulsars analysis sounds
interesting - a reference would be appreciated. Would it change calculation if
one considers that just as light slows down in a gravitational field (as John
D pointed out) gravity itself would slow down in its own field. A
gravitational wave starts out sluggish just after starting out at the edge of
the black holes and reach c in empty space?<BR><BR>Here is a thought:
Following my own arguments would measuring light velocity as c in the Earth's
gravitational field mean it is larger in space?!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=AppleMailSignature>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=AppleMailSignature>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Cheers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=AppleMailSignature>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>Vladimir<BR>_____________________<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><A href="http://vladimirtamari.com"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>vladimirtamari.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><BR>On Aug 25,
2016, at 7:55 PM, Chip Akins <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A><SPAN lang=EN-GB>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Hi
All</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>The
issue of gravity is a bit more involved than the density of electromagnetic
fields.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>When we study binary pulsars, we see orbits which are much more
stable than they would be if gravity traveled at the speed of
electromagnetic fields. Studying pulsars is important because if the speed
of gravity is the same as the speed of light these pulsars would change
their orbits at a specific rate, but they do not. The “static field”
argument does not apply to pulsars which are moving massive bodies with
their gravitational centers constantly changing. Studying pulsars clearly
indicates that gravity is much faster than light (electromagnetic
fields).</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>It
seems that gravity may be the result of the Coulomb field (electric charge)
density instead of electromagnetic field density. (There is a significant
difference between the Coulomb field and electromagnetic fields).
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>I
have quoted two experiments on this forum before, conducted in Italy, which
indicate that the Coulomb field (charge) is much faster than the speed of
light, just a Feynman found in one of his papers.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>While moving charge creates electromagnetic fields, charge is not
the same as an electromagnetic field. It is not even the same as the E
portion of the EM field. Charge is a quantized quantity, EM radiation may be
any magnitude.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>There are things in this universe which travel much faster than
light.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>I
know some will consider these statements to be “heresy”, but take a good
look at the experimental evidence and the issue of binary
pulsars.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>Happy to provide references for those interested.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>Chip</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<DIV
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>
General [</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Duffield<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 25, 2016 2:08 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General]
Gravity</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>Vlad:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>It’s the Einstein digital papers. See </SPAN><A
href="http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol7-trans/156?highlightText=%22spatially%20variable%22"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt" lang=EN-GB>this</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt" lang=EN-GB>. The first page is
</SPAN><A
href="http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol7-trans/129?ajax"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt" lang=EN-GB>here</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt" lang=EN-GB>. Einstein was talking
about the <I>“Fundamental Ideas and Methods of the Theory of Relativity,
Presented in Their Development”.</I></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=t-search-snippet1><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit; COLOR: #222222"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>Note though that Einstein wasn’t talking in terms of “a car
decelerating because it takes a curve”. He was talking about a car’s path
curving to the left <I>because</I> the speed of its wheels on the left is
less than the speed of its wheels on the right. Imagine you’re driving down
a country road. The road is muddy on the left, so the car pulls left. We
steer tanks in this fashion. </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>Your paper reminds me of Inhomogeneous Vaccuum, an Alternative
Interpretation of Curved Spacetime. See attached. </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><image002.jpg><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>Regards</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>John </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>
General [</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Vladimir
Tamari<BR><B>Sent:</B> 25 August 2016 03:04<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of Light
and Particles - General Discussion <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General]
Gravity</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Very good
Grahame<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>John D. What is the book you quoted
about light speed varying? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Yes Einstein admitted that the speed of
light had to vary, as in mechanics the speed slows down with curvature -
that is the link between gravity and acceleration - actually deceleration
when a car takes a curve. Unfortunately the whole unnecessarily complex
structure of General Relativity equations remained expressed in the language
of variable spacetime!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>In my 1993 paper United Dipole Field I
show how curvature of light rays ie gravity occured in the variable
refractive index of a dipole. </SPAN><A
href="http://vladimirtamari.com/United-Dipole-Field-Tamari.pdf"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>http://vladimirtamari.com/United-Dipole-Field-Tamari.pdf</SPAN></A><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Here is a figure from the Dipole paper.
I generalized this idea in my Beautiful Universe model for an entire
Universe made up of such dipoles.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Cheers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Vladimir<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Vladimir<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-GB>vladimirtamari.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><BR>On Aug
25, 2016, at 2:47 AM, John Duffield <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>johnduffield@btconnect.com</SPAN></A><SPAN lang=EN-GB>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Grahame:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>Sorry I haven’t
got back to you on your paper yet, I’ve been busy. But note that Einstein
never said light curves because spacetime was curved. He said light curves
because the speed of light varies with position. </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB><image001.jpg></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>Light curves
for the same reason sonar waves curve.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Regards</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>JohnD</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>
General [</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr Grahame
Blackwell<BR><B>Sent:</B> 23 August 2016 14:38<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of
Light and Particles - General Discussion <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General]
Gravity</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Dear Chandra, John D, John H, Wolf and others,</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Thanks, Chandra, for your response. I totally agree that
the answer to the gravitation issue (as to so many others) involves
reverse engineering the system we refer to as reality. More on that
below. (I also find myself in strong agreement with your views on
'the spacetime continuum'.)</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>John D, I agree also the the 'curvature' of spacetime is in
fact inhomogeneity of the electromagnetic field density - which also
appears to concur with Hammond's view. More on this also
below.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Wolf, I understand your preference for considering the
interplay of electricity and gravity/inertia; however, given that
gravitation is an effect wholly engendered by particles of matter, it
seems most unlikely that we're going to understand gravity without getting
a clear grip on those particles.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>The SR 'explanation' of gravitation as 'curvature of
spacetime' is in fact no explanation at all - it says nothing about WHAT
is being curved, HOW it's being curved, WHAT it is about matter that
causes that curvature or WHY light and material objects move in accordance
with that 'curvature'. It's a useful picture, certainly, but in
terms of explanation it appears to add little to Newton's
action-at-a-distance (other than relativistic effects).</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>So let's try a bit of that reverse systems
engineering:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (1): It's known (and has been since at least 1934) that
particles of matter are (time-varying) electromagnetic
constructs.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (2): Given fact (1), and given that electromagnetic field
effects drop off inverse-quadratically in relation to the distance from
their source, it follows that material particles will have a
presence that likewise drops off as the inverse square of distance;
that presence is detectable - we refer to it by two names:
gravitation and electrical charge.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (3): In this very real sense every particle of matter is
in fact unlimited spatially in its extent; the limitations that we
attribute to such particles are in fact limitations of our own perception,
which is only capable of detecting them through 'virtual photon'
interactions, which are interactions between the central 'cores' (loops)
of particles being sensed and particles doing the sensing.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (4): Given facts (1) - (3), it follows that the
whole of space will be permeated by the totality of (time-varying)
electromagnetic field effects from all the particles in the universe, each
contributing in accordance with the inverse square law; given also the
evening out of 'positive' and 'negative' charge effects on a macroscopic
scale, these field effects constitute what we refer to as 'the universal
gravitational field'.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (5): That field will vary in intensity in accordance
with distance from the various massive bodies that form it; this varying
intensity of electromagnetic field effects will influence the behaviour of
other electromagnetic constructs passing through that field, i.e.
ensembles of particles that form massive bodies; (it is implicit in this,
of course, that the principle of coherent superposition of linear photons
won't apply to these non-linear time-varying electromagnetic field effects
- i.e.they will influence each other through a complex process
of mutual interference).</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (6): This varying density of field effects will give
this continuum a 'shape' defined by the surfaces of equal intensity of
those effects; these 3-D contours will effectively determine the motion of
electromagnetic constructs - light, particles - through that medium; (any
scuba diver who has seen or felt a thermocline in water will have a good
analogy to work from here).</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (7): It's implicit, and would necessarily be the case,
that, although electrostatic charge 'cancel out' if they are equal
and opposite, the electromagnetic field effects giving rise to those
charges will in fact be additive across the cosmos; likewise, though
gravitational 'pull' from opposing directions may appear to cancel out,
there may still be a strong gravitational field in that location - think
of a plateau high on a great mountain, with a small hillock on that
platea.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (8): Substantial supporting detail for this
perspective on gravitation can be found in my paper 'Cosmic System
Dynamics', posted with my email of 20th August.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>A couple of points as a postscript:</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>(a) This means that we ourselves, being ensembles of
material particles, actually extend across the whole cosmos; this may
prove relevant;</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>(b) The entire cosmos is in fact one electromagnetic
entity; from the QM point of view there is just ONE wavefunction, spanning
the whole universe: wavefunctions for single particles or ensembles of
particles are in fact local approximations to this universal wavefunction,
in which terms for more distant influences have been ignored as being
insignificant; this could well have something to say about 'quantum
randomness', which may in fact be those other influences tipping the
balance (this is also expanded upon in my book).</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Best regards to all,</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Grahame</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>----- Original Message ----- </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><A title=chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu
href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Roychoudhuri, Chandra</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><A title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB> ; </SPAN><A title=chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu
href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Roychoudhuri, Chandra</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB> ; </SPAN><A title=chandra@phys.uconn.edu
href="mailto:chandra@phys.uconn.edu"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Chandra UConn</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB> Sunday, August 21, 2016 3:54 PM</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB> Re: [General] Gravity and
ultraweak-photonemission</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>Grahame: I like your spirit, the mode of thinking. I call it
ergently needed "Evolution Process Congruent Thinking", which I
sometimes express as, "Reverse System Engineering Thinking".</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>My papers can be downloaded from the web: </SPAN><A
href="http://phy.ucon.edu"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>phy.ucon.edu</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> -- faculty -- research; the link is below my
image.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>Keep up the good spirit.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>Chandra. </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-GB><BR><BR>-------- Original message --------<BR>From: Dr
Grahame Blackwell <</SPAN><A
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lang=EN-GB>> <BR>Date: 8/21/2016 8:04 AM (GMT-05:00) <BR>To: Nature
of Light and Particles - General Discussion <</SPAN><A
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lang=EN-GB>> <BR>Subject: Re: [General] Gravity and
ultraweak-photonemission </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB>Thanks John,</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>I'm more than ever convinced that unless we can get a better
grasp of what 'space-time' actually IS - which fundamentally means a
proper understanding of gravitation - then our species is at very
serious risk of imploding and taking much (most?) of life on this
planet with us. For the past century or more we've been looking
inward rather than outward; humankind is essentally an outward-looking
race (the very word 'race' implies that!), and without somewhere to look
outward TO we tend to flounder and bicker - just look around the planet
today! The world is so vastly overcrowded now, and set to be
increasingly more so, with numerous environmental issues to compound the
problem. We need new horizons, new frontiers, more than we ever
did in the time of Vasco de Gama and Columbus!</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>[As an aside, I hope we'd also be rather more considerate of
any indigenous lifeforms that those who followed
Columbus!]</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>That's a major reason why I've offered my proposal on
gravitation for consideration. If we don't crack this one, VERY
soon, we may run out of time, lebensraum AND the ability to deal with
the pressure-cooker environment we've created for ourselves. David
Attenborough is proposing that we seriously limit population growth; the
Chinese have tried that and it didn't work - and it never will; the
'prime directive' built into our makeup by evolution is
procreation. Our planet is like a dandelion head full of seeds
ready to fly - we've even been exploring the heavens around us for
places to fly TO! What we need now is the way to do it; I
earnestly believe that the way to do it is there in a greater
understanding of matter, space-time and gravitation - but not as long as
the established scientific community insists on hanging on to outdated
paradigms and doggedly refuses to even look at things from a new
perspective.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Ok, off my soap-box now. But I do really hope that a
few of you out there will take a look at my paper posted with my last
email; if there's something clearly wrong with it, please tell me - if
not, please tell others! Thanks.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Grahame</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><A title=johnduffield@btconnect.com
href="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com"><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>John Duffield</SPAN></A><SPAN
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</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>'Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion'</SPAN></A><SPAN
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</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB> Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:04 PM</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB> Re: [General] Gravity and
ultraweak-photonemission</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Grahame:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>I share
your general sentiment. I’ll read through your paper and get back to
you. Meanwhile I rather think the “shake the rug” waves are light
waves. A gravitational field is a place where space is inhomogeneous,
not curved. See what Percy Hammond says</SPAN><SPAN
class=comment-copy><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia',serif; COLOR: #242729; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN></SPAN><A
href="http://www.compumag.org/jsite/images/stories/newsletter/ICS-99-06-2-Hammond.pdf"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia',serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>here</SPAN></A><SPAN class=comment-copy><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia',serif; COLOR: #242729; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>: <I>"We conclude that the field describes the curvature
that characterizes the electromagnetic interaction"</I>.
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Regards</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>John
D</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>
General [</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr Grahame
Blackwell<BR><B>Sent:</B> 20 August 2016 16:37<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of
Light and Particles - General Discussion <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[General] Gravity and ultraweak-photonemission</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Hi Wolfgang, John M, John D, Hubert, Vladimir, Beverly et
al.,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>There appear to be very strong reasons to believe that
gravitation is in fact an EM effect. If one starts from the
premise that elementary particles are themselves electromagnetic
constructs then it's almost a foregone conclusion. That premise
was strongly evidenced by Landau & Lifshits in Sov. Phys., 1934,
reinforced by Breit & Wheeler later that same year and proved
beyond all reasonable doubt at SLAC in 1997 by Burke et al. (Phys Rev
Lett 79, pp1626-9).</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>It's at times somewhat paradoxical to me that physicists
(present company excepted!) all too often go looking for
complicated explanations when there's a simple one staring them in the
face. If one simply sees the force of attraction between unlike
unit charges as being minutely greater than the force of
repulsion between like charges - and there's no known reason why they
should be identical (in fact it's likely that they won't) - then
gravitation drops out totally naturally as the difference between
those two effects. This would seem to sit well with Occam's
razor since it eliminates the need for one otherwise totally
unexplained cosmic force at a stroke. We know that every
nucleon is made up of a mix of particles of opposing charge
(quarks) to give an overall charge; it seems eminently likely that
even those quarks are formed from energies that, taken separately,
would give rise to either positive or negative charge
elements to give the overall charge for a quark - this links the
gravitational effect of a particle directly to its total energy
content and so to its total mass.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>I've attached a copy of my paper, published in 'Kybernetes'
five years ago, that details this proposal for gravitation.
You'll see that it posits the notion that space(-time) has a 'texture'
(also explaining its 'stiffness' and the 'curvature of spacetime')
given by the summation of all time-varying EM field effects emanating
from all of the material particles in the universe - this of course
draws on the fact that electromagnetic fields are unlimited in their
reach (and electromagnetic potential is unblockable - Aharonov-Bohm
Effect), i.e. that what we experience as a localised particle is just
the 'core', so to speak, of an electromagnetic field effect unlimited
in its extent. The (-time) in brackets above reflects the fact
that this 'texture' of this 'neo-aether' is continually varying as
celestial bodies (and groups of celestial bodies) are
themselves in continuous motion, so also is their contribution to
this 'textured' continuum.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>I'd be most interested in any feedback on this proposal,
including of course any clear reasons (if any such exist) why it
may not be a feasible proposition. You'll note that this concept
includes a pretty thorough explanation for every aspect of the
Equivalence Principle as included in GR. There's also the strong
implication that the gravity waves recently detected are themselves
electromagnetic constructs (since the fabric of spacetime is itself EM
in nature, and so susceptible to being 'shaken like a rug' by such
waves); this may have something to say to Beverly's field of interest,
since tidal forces are themselves in a sense a pale shadow of gravity
waves.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Thanks all,</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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