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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Sorry, Chandra (not Roy! - it's
late!)</FONT></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=grahame@starweave.com href="mailto:grahame@starweave.com">Dr Grahame
Blackwell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:51
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Gravity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Roy (et al)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Thanks for this. I believe
I'm in full agreement with all you've said (as long as I've understood it
correctly); my only slight difference in view is, I believe, a matter of
semantics rather than science.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Like you, I don't accept the
concept of 'force-carrying particles'; this concept appears to raise far more
questions than it answers (if it answers any) - it certainly doesn't in any
way offer significantly greater insight than the 'action at a
distance' proposed by Newton. [Not to put too fine a point on it, I
find it an insult to the intelligence as it appears to expect a whole raft of
counter-intuitive notions to be taken on trust.] I agree 100% with your
definition of rest-mass, also the additional 'oscillatory energy' that relates
to motion, induced by some form of 'force gradient' that is itself an extended
consequence (part of the structure) of 'material particles' and moves
concomitantly with them. In this respect such 'force effects' are not in
some way communicated at light-speed or faster, they are an integral part of
the particle producing that effect: if a complete unified singular object
moves as a whole, we don't propose that one part of the object 'communicates
its motion' to another part (at FTL speed) so that it too moves - it just
IS a unified moving body. No threat to causality there. The fact
that our limited senses don't perceive the whole of that extended entity
doesn't mean that it can't exist - its very action proves that it does, in
accordance with our understanding of EM effects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>My difference in view relates to
your observation that particles "are not made of photons"; as I say, I believe
this is a matter of semantics - essentialy how one defines a photon. We
agree that they are formed from light-like oscillations of the universal
field - i.e. TEM wave packets. If one defines a photon simply as a TEM
wave packet then particles are formed from photons; if however we add the
stipulation that a photon radiates rectilinearly from its dipole oscillatory
source, then by definition that wave packet forming a particle cannot be a
photon. The fact that elementary particles are (or at least
can be) initially created from photons is, I believe, established by Landau
& Lifshits (1934) and demonstrated by the SLAC multiphoton Breit-Wheeler
experiment of 1997.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I'm interested in your observation
that the 'force gradient' of a particle will be distorted by a state of
motion; I agree that this must be true, since the configuration of its
formative field will be somewhat different. As you say, it would be
interesting if it were possible to construct an experiment to demonstrate this
- I suspect one would first have to persuade the experimenters that SR is
primarily a subjective effect, so that they don't apply 'SR logic' as an
objective truth to their readings!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu
href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu">Roychoudhuri, Chandra</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">Nature of Light
and Particles - General Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:24
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Gravity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=WordSection1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">Chip,
Albrecht, and the rest of the team:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Chip:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">After
reading the article by Flandern, sent by Chip, I dug out a possible later
publication by Flandern. The link is given below.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">……………………………..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><A
title="Foundations of Physics"
href="http://link.springer.com/journal/10701"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555">Foundations of
Physics</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">July
2002, Volume 32, <A title="Issue 7"
href="http://link.springer.com/journal/10701/32/7/page/1"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555">Issue 7</SPAN></A>, pp
1031–1068<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 9.35pt; BACKGROUND: #fcfcfc; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 9.35pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"
lang=EN>“Experimental Repeal of the Speed Limit for Gravitational,
Electrodynamic, and Quantum Field Interactions” by </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; LETTER-SPACING: 0.2pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><A
title="View author's information"
href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A%3A1016530625645#author-details-1"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Tom Van
Flandern</SPAN></A>, <A title="View author's information"
href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A%3A1016530625645#author-details-2"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Jean-Pierre Vigier</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">…………………………………………..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">The
beginning caveat – I am not a theorist and am not conversant with the GR
math. My knowledge of GR is mostly from review articles without math. Now,
after reading Flandern, Now I believe, like that for SR, GR does also have
rather serious foundational problems. And our understanding of momentum of a
moving object needs to explored deeper in light of the fact that mass in not
some immutable “substance”. It is the perturbation energy that creates the
resonant self-looped oscillation of the cosmic Complex Tension Field (CTF);
the rest mass being the original oscillation-inducing energy. Spatial
(definitely not space-time) velocity, induced by some “force gradient”
adds further energy to a particle in the form of “kinetic oscillations”. We
need to carefully analyze how we measure and interpret “momentum” since mass
is not an immutable intrinsic property. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">Even with my
limited experimental expertise, I have always intuitively believed that
forces are not mediated by various force particles. Thus, I clearly disagree
with Flandern and Vigier. I have said that in many of my publications,
including my book.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">Based upon
the various intrinsic physical tension properties of the CTF, the
self-looped oscillations in the CTF generate various kinds of decaying
potential gradients of the CTF properties around the oscillating “particle”.
These gradients are not exactly like the physical curvature in a stretched
membrane (prevailing GR analogy). Then the “particles” in the vicinity of
each other will move towards or away from each other depending upon the sign
of the potential gradients. all into or are repulsed by this gradient.
Hence<B><I>, these force gradients are mobile with the particles and would
suffer spatial distortion at very high velocity.</I></B> Attempts to measure
these distortion should open up new frontiers of physics. “The potential
gradients representing “forces”, obey the principle of linear superposition;
very much like the EM wave amplitudes; even though the former is
“stationary” around the parent particle; and the latter is true propagating
wave that follows the classic wave equation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">LCH should
accommodate a new group of experimentalist to design experiments to measure
the distortions in the electrostatic “force gradient” generated by speeding
electrons and protons. Speedy protons-electron collision might help reveal
the distortion in their gravitational potential gradients. These potential
gradient based “forces” are not <B><I>communicated</I></B> by some
particles. Causality is not violated. “c” is not exceeded by anything since
even the particles are light-like self-looped oscillations. Note that I am
using the phrase, light-like oscillations of the CTF; they are not
constructed out of photons. Photon wave packets are linear propagating
excitations of the CTF; perpetually running away from the original point in
space where they were created by some dipole oscillation (from radio to
nuclear). <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Albrecht:
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">In a
separate recent email you have raised a very important point, which in some
of my epistemology articles underscore as the necessity of assigning the
physical parameters in any physics equation with the hierarchy of “primary”,
“secondary”, “tertiary”, etc., based upon the physical roles they play in
interactions with other entities; or their emergence out of the CTF. So, I
like your argument related to </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif">√μ</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria Math',serif">₀</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">=1/</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif">c√(ε</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria Math',serif; COLOR: windowtext">₀</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">.
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In
this context, we may note that Einstein</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">preferred
to write m=E/c-squared; because m is not an immutable property; it is
an emergent property in our methods of measuring it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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