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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Hi Albrecht,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I agree that force interactions can
be modelled AS IF they are mediated by particles of certain types - that much is
not an issue to me. But to propose that this is ACTUALLY the case (rather
than just a simple analogy or model) for me simply leads to a host of questions
- far more than this one 'solution' to action-at-a-distance that gauge bosons
purport to provide.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Let's take the case of electrostatic
interaction: this is unlimited in its range - so presumably the cloud of virtual
photons that mediate this force extends out without limit from the charged
particle whose effect they carry? Also they must be present wherever that
charge effect may have an influence - which means that they must completely
envelop that charged particle in spherical shells at every radius from that
particle to infinity? In other words, the totality of the universe plays host,
in every cubic attometer of its entirety, to virtual photons for EACH and EVERY
elementary charged particle in the cosmos. The housekeeping requirements
for such an arrangement are beyond belief: what is the mechanism that links each
particle to its attendant virtual photons, way out to the limits of the
universe? How are the VPs of one material particle distinguished from
those of another? And that's before we even start considering the strength
(frequency?) of those VPs in relation to distance from their 'parent' particle
and how they communicate their behaviour, let alone the bizarre notion of
'negative photons' that can attract other charged particles rather than repel
them. Come back phlogiston, your mysteries are as nothing compared to
virtual photons!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Actually my own proposal for the
basis of 'electrostatic charge' effects isn't a million miles removed from this
notion. However it recognises that 'action at a distance' isn't actually
'at a distance' at all, since the actual form of an electromagnetically-formed
'particle' will itself extend without limit, as is the nature of electromagnetic
effects (notably electromagnetic potential). We then also have to
recognise that our perception of material particles (including our own
bodies!) is seriously limited by our own senses, which rely on certain
forms of interaction that give the illusion of 'localisation'. This leads
on to the observation that space itself IS suffused with the extended
electromagnetic 'being' of those 'localised' material particles, giving all of
space an electromagnetic 'texture' that gives the effects known as
'electrostatic attraction/repulsion' and 'gravitation' (also an effect that may
be MODELLED as 'curvature of space', since it defines paths through space for
all entities, including light).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>That takes me to another point in
your email (below): it's not quite 100% correct to say that "<FONT color=#000000
face=Helvetica>all explanations about gravity which do not use Einstein's funny
distorted space-time rely on exchange particles</FONT>"; my own explanation,
published in a mainstream peer-reviewed journal five years ago (and attached to
two of my previous emails, so I won't do so again here), most definitely does
NOT use Einstein's proposed space-time, neither does it rely to any extent
whatsoever on exchange particles. So maybe I have a first in that respect,
at least?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>++++++++++++</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=genmail@a-giese.de href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de">Albrecht
Giese</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 30, 2016 4:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Gravity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P><FONT size=-1 face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Dear Chandra and dear
Grahame,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=-1 face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">firstly, thank you,
Chandra, for your feedback to my contribution. I generally agree that there is
a hierarchy of physical quantities. But for your example of Einstein's
m=E/c^2 </FONT><FONT size=-1 face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> I
am not so sure. Is E more fundamental than m? True, m is not a fundamental
quantity on the lowest level. It describes the force which is needed to
accelerate an object. So, the quantity force should be more fundamental. But
what about E? In my understanding it is a human concept which was brought up,
when physicists detected one day that in a closed system the quantity F*way is
conserved. So it received the name "energy". Is this energy always
conserved? I think that in some reactions of particle physics it is not.
And that is not only in the context of Heisenberg's uncertainty relation. It
is also violated by exchange particles.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=-1 face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">So, what is about
exchange particles which mediate a force or a charge? You both seem not to
like it. But it has advantages. The general law of distance of forces: 1/r^2
(e.g. the Coulomb law) can easily be deduced by it if using the continuity
relation and geometrical broadening. In this context it is just simple
geometry. In addition the relativistic contraction (of fields) is easily
understandable if exchange particles are assumed. And further, all
explanations about gravity which do not use Einstein's funny distorted
space-time rely on exchange particles.<BR></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=-1 face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Another point in the
discussion is the question of how photons can be understood. It is said (at
different places of the foregoing discussion) that matter (i.e. leptons and
quarks) can be converted into pure energy, which means photons in this
context. Why is it denied that a photon is a particle? It has all properties
of a particle which the speciality that it permanently moves with c. And with
this latter property it is very close to a neutrino for which nobody questions
that it is a particle. And a photon has a well defined energy. This fact was
indeed questioned by some contributions in this forum. To those who are
questioning it I would like to explain the following: <BR></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=-1 face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">My PhD thesis was about
an experiment in which photons were scattered. The source of the photon beam
delivered photons with well defined energy (it was a spectrum with a strong
limit of an upper energy). The photons were, after the scattering, detected by
pair production which took place when the photon passed a thin sheet of metal.
From the energy and direction of the electron-positron pair the energy and the
direction of the photon was determined. The resulting energy of the
scattered photon was in agreement with the energy of the incoming photon. So
the energy of the individual photon was precisely measured and so well
defined. I do not see any argument for the position that a photon is not an
individual but just a beam with properties which can only be statistically
assumed. The photon energy measured was clearly not defined by some property
of the detector what was sometimes suspected in the discussion
here.<BR></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=-1
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Sincerely<BR>Albrecht</FONT><BR></P><BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Am 28.08.2016 um 00:51 schrieb Dr Grahame
Blackwell:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Roy (et al)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Thanks for this. I believe
I'm in full agreement with all you've said (as long as I've understood it
correctly); my only slight difference in view is, I believe, a matter of
semantics rather than science.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Like you, I don't accept the
concept of 'force-carrying particles'; this concept appears to raise far
more questions than it answers (if it answers any) - it certainly doesn't in
any way offer significantly greater insight than the 'action at a
distance' proposed by Newton. [Not to put too fine a point on
it, I find it an insult to the intelligence as it appears to expect a
whole raft of counter-intuitive notions to be taken on trust.] I agree
100% with your definition of rest-mass, also the additional 'oscillatory
energy' that relates to motion, induced by some form of 'force gradient'
that is itself an extended consequence (part of the structure) of 'material
particles' and moves concomitantly with them. In this respect such
'force effects' are not in some way communicated at light-speed or faster,
they are an integral part of the particle producing that effect: if a
complete unified singular object moves as a whole, we don't propose that one
part of the object 'communicates its motion' to another part (at FTL
speed) so that it too moves - it just IS a unified moving body.
No threat to causality there. The fact that our limited senses don't
perceive the whole of that extended entity doesn't mean that it can't exist
- its very action proves that it does, in accordance with our understanding
of EM effects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>My difference in view relates to
your observation that particles "are not made of photons"; as I say, I
believe this is a matter of semantics - essentialy how one defines a
photon. We agree that they are formed from light-like
oscillations of the universal field - i.e. TEM wave packets. If one
defines a photon simply as a TEM wave packet then particles are formed
from photons; if however we add the stipulation that a photon radiates
rectilinearly from its dipole oscillatory source, then by definition that
wave packet forming a particle cannot be a photon. The fact
that elementary particles are (or at least can be) initially
created from photons is, I believe, established by Landau & Lifshits
(1934) and demonstrated by the SLAC multiphoton Breit-Wheeler experiment of
1997.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I'm interested in your
observation that the 'force gradient' of a particle will be distorted by a
state of motion; I agree that this must be true, since the configuration of
its formative field will be somewhat different. As you say, it would
be interesting if it were possible to construct an experiment to demonstrate
this - I suspect one would first have to persuade the experimenters that SR
is primarily a subjective effect, so that they don't apply 'SR logic' as an
objective truth to their readings!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu
href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">Roychoudhuri, Chandra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:24
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Gravity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">Chip, Albrecht, and the
rest of the team:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Chip:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></I></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">After
reading the article by Flandern, sent by Chip, I dug out a possible later
publication by Flandern. The link is given below.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">……………………………..<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><A
title="Foundations of Physics"
href="http://link.springer.com/journal/10701" moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555">Foundations of
Physics</SPAN></A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">July
2002, Volume 32, <A title="Issue 7"
href="http://link.springer.com/journal/10701/32/7/page/1"
moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555">Issue 7</SPAN></A>, pp
1031–1068<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 9.35pt; BACKGROUND: #fcfcfc; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 9.35pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
New Roman',serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"
lang=EN>“Experimental Repeal of the Speed Limit for Gravitational,
Electrodynamic, and Quantum Field Interactions” by </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
New Roman',serif; LETTER-SPACING: 0.2pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><A
title="View
author's information"
href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A%3A1016530625645#author-details-1"
moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Tom Van
Flandern</SPAN></A>, <A title="View author's information"
href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A%3A1016530625645#author-details-2"
moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #8e2555; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Jean-Pierre Vigier</SPAN></A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">…………………………………………..<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">The beginning caveat – I am
not a theorist and am not conversant with the GR math. My knowledge of GR
is mostly from review articles without math. Now, after reading Flandern,
Now I believe, like that for SR, GR does also have rather serious
foundational problems. And our understanding of momentum of a moving
object needs to explored deeper in light of the fact that mass in not some
immutable “substance”. It is the perturbation energy that creates the
resonant self-looped oscillation of the cosmic Complex Tension Field
(CTF); the rest mass being the original oscillation-inducing energy.
Spatial (definitely not space-time) velocity, induced by some “force
gradient” adds further energy to a particle in the form of “kinetic
oscillations”. We need to carefully analyze how we measure and interpret
“momentum” since mass is not an immutable intrinsic property.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">Even with my limited
experimental expertise, I have always intuitively believed that forces are
not mediated by various force particles. Thus, I clearly disagree with
Flandern and Vigier. I have said that in many of my publications,
including my book.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">Based upon the various
intrinsic physical tension properties of the CTF, the self-looped
oscillations in the CTF generate various kinds of decaying potential
gradients of the CTF properties around the oscillating “particle”. These
gradients are not exactly like the physical curvature in a stretched
membrane (prevailing GR analogy). Then the “particles” in the vicinity of
each other will move towards or away from each other depending upon the
sign of the potential gradients. all into or are repulsed by this
gradient. Hence<B><I>, these force gradients are mobile with the particles
and would suffer spatial distortion at very high velocity.</I></B>
Attempts to measure these distortion should open up new frontiers of
physics. “The potential gradients representing “forces”, obey the
principle of linear superposition; very much like the EM wave amplitudes;
even though the former is “stationary” around the parent particle; and the
latter is true propagating wave that follows the classic wave
equation.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">LCH should accommodate a
new group of experimentalist to design experiments to measure the
distortions in the electrostatic “force gradient” generated by speeding
electrons and protons. Speedy protons-electron collision might help reveal
the distortion in their gravitational potential gradients. These potential
gradient based “forces” are not <B><I>communicated</I></B> by some
particles. Causality is not violated. “c” is not exceeded by anything
since even the particles are light-like self-looped oscillations. Note
that I am using the phrase, light-like oscillations of the CTF; they are
not constructed out of photons. Photon wave packets are linear propagating
excitations of the CTF; perpetually running away from the original point
in space where they were created by some dipole oscillation (from radio to
nuclear). <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Albrecht:
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></I></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">In a separate recent email
you have raised a very important point, which in some of my epistemology
articles underscore as the necessity of assigning the physical parameters
in any physics equation with the hierarchy of “primary”, “secondary”,
“tertiary”, etc., based upon the physical roles they play in interactions
with other entities; or their emergence out of the CTF. So, I like your
argument related to </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif">√μ</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria Math',serif">₀</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">=1/</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif">c√(ε</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria Math',serif; COLOR: windowtext">₀</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext">)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">.
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In
this context, we may note that Einstein</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">preferred
to write m=E/c-squared; because m is not an immutable property; it
is an emergent property in our methods of measuring
it.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sincerely,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Chandra.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext">
General [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Chip Akins<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 25, 2016
5:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'
<A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [General] Gravity<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi
Vladimir<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Here is one reference for the
speed of gravity and pulsars.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>The speed of gravity – What the experiments say –
attached.<O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Chip<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext">
Chip Akins [</SPAN><A href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:chipakins@gmail.com</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 25, 2016
4:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'
<</SPAN><A href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">><BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [General]
Gravity<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi John D and
Vladimir<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As it turns out gravity needs
to be 10000 to 20000 times as fast as light in order for the orbits of the
pulsars to be as we observe.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If most of the mass of a
black hole is inside the “event horizon” then how does the huge gravity
field escape? It seem that all of the black holes gravity escapes
the event horizon with no problem.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">For a black hole to have
gravity which is related to its mass then gravity HAS to travel faster
than light.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Charge (the Coulomb field)
also travels “almost instantaneously” (10000 to 20000 times the speed of
light).<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Yes John D. Transverse
(S) waves travel at the velocity:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><!--[if gte msEquation 12]><m:oMathPara><m:oMath><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>v=</m:r></span><m:rad><m:radPr><m:degHide m:val="on"/><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:radPr><m:deg></m:deg><m:e><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>μ</m:r></span></i></m:num><m:den><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>ρ</m:r></span></i></m:den></m:f></m:e></m:rad></m:oMath></m:oMathPara><![endif]--><!--[if
!msEquation]--><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><IMG
style="WIDTH: 0.527in; HEIGHT: 0.59in" id=_x0000_i1025
src="cid:A6734F43C1F74AC5955EF6A185F9BA3C@vincent" width=51
height=57></SPAN><!--[endif]--><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Where v is velocity of
propagation, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria
Math',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">𝜇</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> is the
transverse modulus of the medium, and </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Cambria Math',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">𝜌</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> is the
“density” of the medium.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And longitudinal (P) waves
travel at the velocity:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><!--[if gte msEquation 12]><m:oMathPara><m:oMath><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>v=</m:r></span><m:rad><m:radPr><m:degHide m:val="on"/><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:radPr><m:deg></m:deg><m:e><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>K</m:r></span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>+ </m:r></span><m:d><m:dPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:dPr><m:e><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>4</m:r></span></m:num><m:den><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r><m:rPr><m:scr m:val="roman"/><m:sty m:val="p"/></m:rPr>3</m:r></span></m:den></m:f><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>μ</m:r></span></i></m:e></m:d></m:num><m:den><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>ρ</m:r></span></i></m:den></m:f></m:e></m:rad></m:oMath></m:oMathPara><![endif]--><!--[if
!msEquation]--><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><IMG
style="WIDTH: 1.166in; HEIGHT: 0.777in" id=_x0000_i1025
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height=75></SPAN><!--[endif]--><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Where K is the bulk or
longitudinal modulus.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">We have never found a medium
which supports transverse waves and does not support longitudinal waves.
Longitudinal waves are always faster, and can be orders of magnitude
faster.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Chip<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext">
General [</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Duffield<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General]
Gravity<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Chip:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>I don’t think
it’s heresy. See </SPAN><A
href="http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/waves/seismic.html"
moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN lang=EN-GB>hyperphysics</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>: <I>“S waves travel typically 60% of
the speed of P waves”. <O:P></O:P></I></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><I><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></I></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>I wouldn’t bat
an eyelid if different types of waves in space travelled at different
speeds too. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>But I have to
say I’m not totally convinced by the recent LIGO news.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Regards<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>John<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext">
General [</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
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style="COLOR: windowtext">] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Vladimir
Tamari<BR><B>Sent:</B> 25 August 2016 16:14<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of Light
and Particles - General Discussion <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</A><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General]
Gravity<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Chip</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>The pulsars analysis sounds
interesting - a reference would be appreciated. Would it change
calculation if one considers that just as light slows down in a
gravitational field (as John D pointed out) gravity itself would slow down
in its own field. A gravitational wave starts out sluggish just after
starting out at the edge of the black holes and reach c in empty
space?<BR><BR>Here is a thought: Following my own arguments would
measuring light velocity as c in the Earth's gravitational field mean it
is larger in space?!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=AppleMailSignature>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Cheers<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV id=AppleMailSignature>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>Vladimir<BR>_____________________<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><A href="http://vladimirtamari.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN lang=EN-GB>vladimirtamari.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><BR>On Aug
25, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Chip Akins <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A><SPAN lang=EN-GB>>
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Hi
All</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>The issue of
gravity is a bit more involved than the density of electromagnetic
fields.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>When we
study binary pulsars, we see orbits which are much more stable than they
would be if gravity traveled at the speed of electromagnetic fields.
Studying pulsars is important because if the speed of gravity is the
same as the speed of light these pulsars would change their orbits at a
specific rate, but they do not. The “static field” argument does not
apply to pulsars which are moving massive bodies with their
gravitational centers constantly changing. Studying pulsars clearly
indicates that gravity is much faster than light (electromagnetic
fields).</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>It seems
that gravity may be the result of the Coulomb field (electric charge)
density instead of electromagnetic field density. (There is a
significant difference between the Coulomb field and electromagnetic
fields). </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>I have
quoted two experiments on this forum before, conducted in Italy, which
indicate that the Coulomb field (charge) is much faster than the speed
of light, just a Feynman found in one of his papers.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>While moving
charge creates electromagnetic fields, charge is not the same as an
electromagnetic field. It is not even the same as the E portion of the
EM field. Charge is a quantized quantity, EM radiation may be any
magnitude.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>There are
things in this universe which travel much faster than light.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>I know some
will consider these statements to be “heresy”, but take a good look at
the experimental evidence and the issue of binary pulsars.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB>Happy to
provide references for those interested.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>Chip</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>
General [</SPAN><A
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style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Duffield<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 25, 2016 2:08 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <</SPAN><A
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style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[General] Gravity</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>Vlad:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>It’s the Einstein digital papers. See </SPAN><A
href="http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol7-trans/156?highlightText=%22spatially%20variable%22"
moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>this</SPAN></A><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>. The first page is </SPAN><A
href="http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol7-trans/129?ajax"
moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>here</SPAN></A><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>. Einstein was talking about the <I>“Fundamental Ideas and
Methods of the Theory of Relativity, Presented in Their
Development”.</I></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=t-search-snippet1><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: inherit; COLOR: #222222"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>Note though that Einstein wasn’t talking in terms of “a
car decelerating because it takes a curve”. He was talking about a car’s
path curving to the left <I>because</I> the speed of its wheels on the
left is less than the speed of its wheels on the right. Imagine you’re
driving down a country road. The road is muddy on the left, so the car
pulls left. We steer tanks in this fashion. </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>Your paper reminds me of Inhomogeneous Vaccuum, an
Alternative Interpretation of Curved Spacetime. See attached.
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB><image002.jpg><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>Regards</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"
lang=EN-GB>John </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>
General [</SPAN><A
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style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Vladimir
Tamari<BR><B>Sent:</B> 25 August 2016 03:04<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of
Light and Particles - General Discussion <</SPAN><A
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style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[General] Gravity</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Very good
Grahame<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>John D. What is the book you quoted
about light speed varying? <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Yes Einstein admitted that the speed
of light had to vary, as in mechanics the speed slows down with
curvature - that is the link between gravity and acceleration - actually
deceleration when a car takes a curve. Unfortunately the whole
unnecessarily complex structure of General Relativity equations remained
expressed in the language of variable
spacetime!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>In my 1993 paper United Dipole Field
I show how curvature of light rays ie gravity occured in the variable
refractive index of a dipole. </SPAN><A
href="http://vladimirtamari.com/United-Dipole-Field-Tamari.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>http://vladimirtamari.com/United-Dipole-Field-Tamari.pdf</SPAN></A><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Here is a figure from the Dipole
paper. I generalized this idea in my Beautiful Universe model for an
entire Universe made up of such dipoles.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Cheers<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Vladimir<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><image003.jpg><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Cheers<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Vladimir<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>_____________________<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><A href="http://vladimirtamari.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>vladimirtamari.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><BR>On
Aug 25, 2016, at 2:47 AM, John Duffield <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:johnduffield@btconnect.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>johnduffield@btconnect.com</SPAN></A><SPAN lang=EN-GB>>
wrote:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Grahame:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>Sorry I
haven’t got back to you on your paper yet, I’ve been busy. But note
that Einstein never said light curves because spacetime was curved. He
said light curves because the speed of light varies with position.
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB><image001.jpg></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>Light
curves for the same reason sonar waves curve.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><image002.gif><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Regards</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>JohnD</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>
General [</SPAN><A
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style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr Grahame
Blackwell<BR><B>Sent:</B> 23 August 2016 14:38<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of
Light and Particles - General Discussion <</SPAN><A
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style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[General] Gravity</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Dear Chandra, John D, John H, Wolf and others,</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Thanks, Chandra, for your response. I totally agree
that the answer to the gravitation issue (as to so many others)
involves reverse engineering the system we refer to as reality.
More on that below. (I also find myself in strong agreement with
your views on 'the spacetime continuum'.)</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>John D, I agree also the the 'curvature' of spacetime is in
fact inhomogeneity of the electromagnetic field density - which also
appears to concur with Hammond's view. More on this also
below.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Wolf, I understand your preference for considering the
interplay of electricity and gravity/inertia; however, given that
gravitation is an effect wholly engendered by particles of matter, it
seems most unlikely that we're going to understand gravity without
getting a clear grip on those particles.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>The SR 'explanation' of gravitation as 'curvature of
spacetime' is in fact no explanation at all - it says nothing about
WHAT is being curved, HOW it's being curved, WHAT it is about matter
that causes that curvature or WHY light and material objects move in
accordance with that 'curvature'. It's a useful picture,
certainly, but in terms of explanation it appears to add little to
Newton's action-at-a-distance (other than relativistic
effects).</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>So let's try a bit of that reverse systems
engineering:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (1): It's known (and has been since at least 1934)
that particles of matter are (time-varying) electromagnetic
constructs.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (2): Given fact (1), and given that electromagnetic
field effects drop off inverse-quadratically in relation to the
distance from their source, it follows that material particles will
have a presence that likewise drops off as the inverse
square of distance; that presence is detectable - we refer to it
by two names: gravitation and electrical charge.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (3): In this very real sense every particle of matter
is in fact unlimited spatially in its extent; the limitations that we
attribute to such particles are in fact limitations of our own
perception, which is only capable of detecting them through 'virtual
photon' interactions, which are interactions between the central
'cores' (loops) of particles being sensed and particles doing the
sensing.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (4): Given facts (1) - (3), it follows that the
whole of space will be permeated by the totality of (time-varying)
electromagnetic field effects from all the particles in the universe,
each contributing in accordance with the inverse square law; given
also the evening out of 'positive' and 'negative' charge effects on a
macroscopic scale, these field effects constitute what we refer to as
'the universal gravitational field'.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (5): That field will vary in intensity in
accordance with distance from the various massive bodies that form it;
this varying intensity of electromagnetic field effects will influence
the behaviour of other electromagnetic constructs passing through that
field, i.e. ensembles of particles that form massive bodies; (it is
implicit in this, of course, that the principle of coherent
superposition of linear photons won't apply to these non-linear
time-varying electromagnetic field effects - i.e.they will influence
each other through a complex process of mutual
interference).</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (6): This varying density of field effects will
give this continuum a 'shape' defined by the surfaces of equal
intensity of those effects; these 3-D contours will effectively
determine the motion of electromagnetic constructs - light, particles
- through that medium; (any scuba diver who has seen or felt a
thermocline in water will have a good analogy to work from
here).</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (7): It's implicit, and would necessarily be the case,
that, although electrostatic charge 'cancel out' if they are
equal and opposite, the electromagnetic field effects giving rise to
those charges will in fact be additive across the cosmos; likewise,
though gravitational 'pull' from opposing directions may appear to
cancel out, there may still be a strong gravitational field in that
location - think of a plateau high on a great mountain, with a small
hillock on that platea.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Fact (8): Substantial supporting detail for this
perspective on gravitation can be found in my paper 'Cosmic System
Dynamics', posted with my email of 20th August.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>A couple of points as a postscript:</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>(a) This means that we ourselves, being ensembles of
material particles, actually extend across the whole cosmos; this may
prove relevant;</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>(b) The entire cosmos is in fact one electromagnetic
entity; from the QM point of view there is just ONE wavefunction,
spanning the whole universe: wavefunctions for single particles or
ensembles of particles are in fact local approximations to this
universal wavefunction, in which terms for more distant influences
have been ignored as being insignificant; this could well have
something to say about 'quantum randomness', which may in fact be
those other influences tipping the balance (this is also expanded upon
in my book).</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-GB> Re: [General] Gravity and
ultraweak-photonemission</SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Grahame: I like your spirit, the mode of thinking. I call
it ergently needed "Evolution Process Congruent Thinking", which I
sometimes express as, "Reverse System Engineering
Thinking".</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-GB>My papers can be downloaded from the web: </SPAN><A
href="http://phy.ucon.edu" moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB>phy.ucon.edu</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',serif; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-GB> -- faculty -- research; the link is below my
image.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Keep up the good spirit.</SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Chandra. </SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB><BR><BR>-------- Original message --------<BR>From: Dr
Grahame Blackwell <</SPAN><A href="mailto:grahame@starweave.com"
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lang=EN-GB>grahame@starweave.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>> <BR>Date: 8/21/2016 8:04 AM (GMT-05:00) <BR>To:
Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <</SPAN><A
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lang=EN-GB>> <BR>Subject: Re: [General] Gravity and
ultraweak-photonemission </SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Thanks John,</SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>I'm more than ever convinced that unless we can get a
better grasp of what 'space-time' actually IS - which fundamentally
means a proper understanding of gravitation - then our species is at
very serious risk of imploding and taking much (most?) of life
on this planet with us. For the past century or more we've
been looking inward rather than outward; humankind is essentally an
outward-looking race (the very word 'race' implies that!), and
without somewhere to look outward TO we tend to flounder and bicker
- just look around the planet today! The world is so vastly
overcrowded now, and set to be increasingly more so, with numerous
environmental issues to compound the problem. We need new
horizons, new frontiers, more than we ever did in the time of Vasco
de Gama and Columbus!</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>[As an aside, I hope we'd also be rather more considerate
of any indigenous lifeforms that those who followed
Columbus!]</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-GB>That's a major reason why I've offered my proposal on
gravitation for consideration. If we don't crack this one,
VERY soon, we may run out of time, lebensraum AND the ability to
deal with the pressure-cooker environment we've created for
ourselves. David Attenborough is proposing that we seriously
limit population growth; the Chinese have tried that and it didn't
work - and it never will; the 'prime directive' built into our
makeup by evolution is procreation. Our planet is like a
dandelion head full of seeds ready to fly - we've even been
exploring the heavens around us for places to fly TO! What we
need now is the way to do it; I earnestly believe that the way to do
it is there in a greater understanding of matter, space-time and
gravitation - but not as long as the established scientific
community insists on hanging on to outdated paradigms and doggedly
refuses to even look at things from a new perspective.</SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Ok, off my soap-box now. But I do really hope that
a few of you out there will take a look at my paper posted with my
last email; if there's something clearly wrong with it, please tell
me - if not, please tell others! Thanks.</SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Grahame</SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><A title=johnduffield@btconnect.com
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lang=EN-GB>John Duffield</SPAN></A><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB> </SPAN><A
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moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>'Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion'</SPAN></A><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB> Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:04 PM</SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB> Re: [General] Gravity and
ultraweak-photonemission</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Grahame:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>I share
your general sentiment. I’ll read through your paper and get back
to you. Meanwhile I rather think the “shake the rug” waves are
light waves. A gravitational field is a place where space is
inhomogeneous, not curved. See what Percy Hammond says</SPAN><SPAN
class=comment-copy><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia',serif; COLOR: #242729; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB> </SPAN></SPAN><A
href="http://www.compumag.org/jsite/images/stories/newsletter/ICS-99-06-2-Hammond.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia',serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>here</SPAN></A><SPAN class=comment-copy><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia',serif; COLOR: #242729; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>: <I>"We conclude that the field describes the
curvature that characterizes the electromagnetic interaction"</I>.
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d"
lang=EN-GB>Regards</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d" lang=EN-GB>John
D</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext"
lang=EN-GB>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext"
lang=EN-GB> General [</SPAN><A
href="mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
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style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr
Grahame Blackwell<BR><B>Sent:</B> 20 August 2016
16:37<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion <</SPAN><A
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style="COLOR: windowtext" lang=EN-GB>><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[General] Gravity and ultraweak-photonemission</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-GB>Hi Wolfgang, John M, John D, Hubert, Vladimir, Beverly
et al.,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-GB>There appear to be very strong reasons to believe that
gravitation is in fact an EM effect. If one starts from the
premise that elementary particles are themselves electromagnetic
constructs then it's almost a foregone conclusion. That
premise was strongly evidenced by Landau & Lifshits in Sov.
Phys., 1934, reinforced by Breit & Wheeler later that same
year and proved beyond all reasonable doubt at SLAC in 1997 by
Burke et al. (Phys Rev Lett 79, pp1626-9).</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-GB>It's at times somewhat paradoxical to me that
physicists (present company excepted!) all too often go
looking for complicated explanations when there's a simple one
staring them in the face. If one simply sees the force of
attraction between unlike unit charges as being minutely greater
than the force of repulsion between like charges - and
there's no known reason why they should be identical (in fact it's
likely that they won't) - then gravitation drops out totally
naturally as the difference between those two effects. This
would seem to sit well with Occam's razor since it eliminates the
need for one otherwise totally unexplained cosmic force at a
stroke. We know that every nucleon is made up of a mix
of particles of opposing charge (quarks) to give an overall
charge; it seems eminently likely that even those quarks are
formed from energies that, taken separately, would give rise
to either positive or negative charge elements to give
the overall charge for a quark - this links the gravitational
effect of a particle directly to its total energy content and so
to its total mass.</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>I've attached a copy of my paper, published in
'Kybernetes' five years ago, that details this proposal for
gravitation. You'll see that it posits the notion that
space(-time) has a 'texture' (also explaining its 'stiffness' and
the 'curvature of spacetime') given by the summation of all
time-varying EM field effects emanating from all of the material
particles in the universe - this of course draws on the fact that
electromagnetic fields are unlimited in their reach (and
electromagnetic potential is unblockable - Aharonov-Bohm Effect),
i.e. that what we experience as a localised particle is just the
'core', so to speak, of an electromagnetic field effect unlimited
in its extent. The (-time) in brackets above reflects the
fact that this 'texture' of this 'neo-aether' is continually
varying as celestial bodies (and groups of celestial bodies) are
themselves in continuous motion, so also is their
contribution to this 'textured' continuum.</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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lang=EN-GB>I'd be most interested in any feedback on this
proposal, including of course any clear reasons (if any such
exist) why it may not be a feasible proposition. You'll
note that this concept includes a pretty thorough explanation for
every aspect of the Equivalence Principle as included in GR.
There's also the strong implication that the gravity waves
recently detected are themselves electromagnetic constructs (since
the fabric of spacetime is itself EM in nature, and so susceptible
to being 'shaken like a rug' by such waves); this may have
something to say to Beverly's field of interest, since tidal
forces are themselves in a sense a pale shadow of gravity
waves.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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