<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr">The Hodge experiment rejects the wave model of light. Thus, it is an experiment that is easily performed that shows the nature of photons. Al should do the experiment.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472823696621_7142" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472823696621_7143" dir="ltr">Hodge</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, September 2, 2016 8:29 AM, Albrecht Giese <phys@a-giese.de> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8576599178"><div>
<div><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-2">Al Kracklauer
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"Photons are a phantasy! All that is know about photons comes
from infering what caused a photo-electron (positron) to do what
it did. NO experimenter knows anything about a "photon" as it
as such is unobservable. "</font></div>
<div><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-2">I have
described an experiment which I have made for my PhD thesis. How
can the result of my experiment explained in the view that
photons are fantasy? I have expected here an answer to this
question.</font></div>
<div><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-2">And "a photon
is unobservable". Was a quark ever be observed? The up-quark and
the down-quark cannot even be isolated. But they are understood
to be particles. Was an electron or a positron ever be observed?
I have never seen any of them even though in the
research-centre, which I was working for, electrons have been
the main focus of observation. No properties of a photon known?
A photon has a known energy, momentum, frequency, charge (=0),
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<div><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-2">How is the
existence of a particle is defined? A definition could be that
it is an object which carries a clearly defined amount of
energy. If this is accepted then the objects / photons in my
experiment have
clearly </font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-2"> been </font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-2">particles. If it is not accepted, please
give us a usable definition.</font></div>
<div><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-2">Albrecht<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv8576599178moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-2">Am 30.08.2016 um 19:10 schrieb <a class="yiv8576599178moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:af.kracklauer@web.de">af.kracklauer@web.de</a>:</font><br clear="none">
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<div>Albert Giese wrote:</div>
<div><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1">"Another
point in the discussion is the question of how photons can
be understood. It is said (at different places of the
foregoing discussion) that matter (i.e. leptons and
quarks) can be converted into pure energy, which means
photons in this context. Why is it denied that a photon is
a particle? It has all properties of a particle which the
speciality that it permanently moves with c. And with this
latter property it is very close to a neutrino for which
nobody questions that it is a particle. And a photon has a
well defined energy. This fact was indeed questioned by
some contributions in this forum. To those who are
questioning it I would like to explain the following: ..."</font></div>
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<div><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="-1">To this
one might retort:</font></div>
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<div>Photons are a phantasy! All that is know about photons
comes from infering what caused a photo-electron (positron)
to do what it did. NO experimenter knows anything about a
"photon" as it as such is unobservable. Only photo induced
electrons are. Thus any theory about what has happend
behind the veil is just guess-work. Further, any imaginary
concoction that correctly predics the behaviour of
photo-electrons is equally valid. Honesty with one's self
requires acknowledging that theories about the unknowable
are are also unverifiable.</div>
<div>No matter what "people" do or don't question about nutrinos
[a thoretical entity with an even more vague pedigree!], the
state of knowledge about these entities is beyond the
knowable and in the realm of myth. It is, therefore,
eminently arguabble that, electric interaction should be
denoted as just that and limit the theory to what
source-electrons do to sink-electrons without imaginay
intermediate, artificial constructs. </div>
<div>For what it's worth, Al Krackauer</div>
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