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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 12.09.2016 um 20:34 schrieb
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 12.
September 2016 um 16:59 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Albrecht Giese" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:genmail@a-giese.de"><genmail@a-giese.de></a><br>
<b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [General] Gravity</div>
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<p>Hi Al:</p>
<p>" <font color="#000099">"Photons" (given anybody's
definition) cannot be directly an object of
observation. PEROID.</font> "</p>
<p>In this case please explain the corresponding process
in my experiment, i.e. the detection of photons by
pair production where all necessary physical
quantities for an individual photon have been
conserved. The distance between generation and
detection was about 10 m.</p>
<p>AK: You didn't see any photons, rather the pair
after the split and infered what happend based on the
taget location and the cite of the 'pair production'
and their subsequent orbits in a bubble chamber (or
equivalent). [If I got the experiment wrong, please
describe the target and detection apparatus.] BTW,
respecting conservation laws does not require direct
observation of a means of interaction between source
charges and sink charges, (modulo an uncharged---i.e.
unobservable---sink charge). <br>
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In the experiment photons have been generated having a certain
energy. 10 meters downstream an electron-positron-pair was generated
representing the same energy. So, there was some object flying
between the generation point and the detection point which
transported just that energy. And this object did not have any
charge. (Otherwise it would have been deflected away as there was a
strong magnetic field.)<br>
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If it should not have been a photon as you suspect, should we give
this object a different name? Do you propose a name? Then we could
have new physics. Existing physics tells us that it was a photon. <br>
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<p>And hi Chandra:</p>
<p>Why can we not assume that the particles "photons"
have a "pilot wave" in the sense of de Broglie around
them as similarly have e.g. electrons and neutrons?
And those pilot waves follow similar rules like the
Maxwell equations?</p>
<p>AK: If the "pilot wve" itself is not of E&M
origin, what is it? How does it work? [Granted
deBroglie himself did not have specific models for his
pilot wave; but others have! For example, see #11 on
my web page, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com">www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com</a>]</p>
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We could also use the understanding of present main stream physics:
All particles like photons, electrons, neutrons are a particle and a
wave at the same time. If we take the mode as wave in case of the
photon we can use Maxwell's equations to describe the situation. -
I like the pilot wave of de Broglie better as it is perceptible by
human imagination. In the case of the photon the superposition of
all pilot waves would in that case fulfil the requirements of
Maxwell's equations. Something equivalent should happen to the
superposition of the pilot waves of e.g. electrons and neutrons. De
Broglie did not specify what the pilot wave is made of. He assumed
his "waves of harmony" without further specification. That sounds a
bit mysterious. In the case of hadrons those should be waves of the
strong force. <br>
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<p>Albrecht</p>
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