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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">Hi Chip, hi all,<br>
<br>
regarding the ongoing confusion about the "wave structure" of
particles I would like to remind you all of the approach of
Louis de Broglie to this problem. In his view a particle is a
bullet surrounded by a "pilot wave" which accompanies this
bullet and guides it. - This approach was once strictly rejected
by Heisenberg. But John Bell writes in his famous book
"Speakable and Unspeakable in Quantum Mechanics" that he has
investigated the discussion about the pilot wave and that he did
not find any serious physical counter-arguments to it. According
to him, Heisenberg's activities against it were nothing else but
bashing of de Broglie.<br>
<br>
I like this approach of de Broglie. I like it particularly
because it fits seamlessly into my model of two orbiting
massless sub-particles.<br>
<br>
Albrecht<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi Chandra<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Yes. Momentum is
measured as you indicated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">But if the
electron is a circulating “wave structure”, and has the
property of inertial mass, then momentum is likely an
inherent part of the “wave” itself. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">As we have
discovered, the inherent momentum of the confined wave can
cause the property if inertial mass, which further clearly
illustrates why E=mc^2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">But since space
is massless, there must be a mechanism which creates
momentum for these waves, which is different from the way
longitudinal momentum is carried by a wave in a material
medium made of particles of mass.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This more
fundamental form of momentum must be created without using
mass, since no mass is present in “empty” space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">So if this is how
things work then we may have the most fundamental form of
energy = differential displacement of space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">And now perhaps
we have the most fundamental form of momentum = delta Fc
sine(theta) t = E/c.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">If this is true
then delta Fc/Fc = pi, simply because that is the only form
which yields the correct momentum of such a wave.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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General
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roychoudhuri, Chandra<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 23, 2017 1:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] light and particles group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:olive">Chip:
I like your thinking approach. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:olive"> Measurable
“momentum” arises through energy exchange between scattering
entities; specifically, when one of the entity possess the
“inertial property”, we call particles. And, Newton
correctly postulated that they tend to stay “inertial”,
“until acted upon by a force” (an entity that can “donate”
energy to create kinetic motion).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:olive">Chandra.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
General [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chip Akins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 23, 2017 9:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] light and particles group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi Dr. Grahame
Blackwell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">What I was
considering is trying to understand the mechanism for
momentum in the propagation of energy in space. Whether that
energy is in the form of light or confined in particles of
matter. For if we can show exactly how it is that momentum
is a fundamental feature of energy, as it moves in space, we
then have specifically identified and understood the source
for inertial mass. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This may help us
refine our models. I think that it will help us understand
Planck’s quantization of action and its causes as well.
This research has already helped me understand how light can
have both spin and orbital angular momentum, and it may well
lead to a better grasp of other basic principles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Other reasons for
looking into this in detail, are to better understand the
correct set of wave equations, and spin. To understand the
causes for what we observe. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I agree that a
transfer of energy must implicitly also transfer momentum.
Momentum is a measureable result of energy. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">But to me E=hf
means that more energetic waves or particles are smaller. If
that is correct then there is a cause. Probably the simplest
explanation is that space has an inherent opposition to
displacement, which creates this force Fc I have been
discussing. That is nice, simply because this force is also
perfectly suited to cause confinement, not only of waves in
space, but also of elementary fermions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">So if we can
explore this possibility further, and create wave equations
for waves which would be caused by the displacement and this
opposing force, complete with momentum and all the other
measurables, then we may have foundations upon which we can
model everything.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I do not think
that wave interference is sufficient to cause confinement. I
have studied waves in great detail and still find that more
than self-interference is required for confinement of waves
into soliton (circularly or spherically confined) solutions.
So for me, it seems that this equal and opposite reaction of
space to the displacement caused by energy is the only
logical path to explore.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">It is my hope
(and intuition) that this path will lead to understanding
the mass formation thresholds for electrons so that we might
know why the electron’s rest mass is the specific value we
measure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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General [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion' <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] light and particles group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Hi
Chip,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">I
got a working copy, thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">I
see that of course you're going into far more intricate
details mathematically than I was looking at. In this
case, it seems to me, the question becomes: "How is it
that a photon travels through space?". As I've said, once
that's tied down the fact that it carries momentum follows
as a natural consequence.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">(To
some extent it depends on how one defines momentum.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Thanks
again,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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Sunday, January 22, 2017 10:54 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Once more.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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