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serif">Hi Chip,<br>
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which problem do you have with my model?<br>
<br>
It of course tells you what a particle is. It provides the mass
of a particle, and that with high precision; it tells the spin,
it provides the magnetic moment for a particle with an electric
charge, this also with high precision. And it explains all that
without any reference to quantum mechanics. What do you miss?<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Albrecht<br>
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Am 24.01.2017 um 23:42 schrieb Chip Akins:</font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Albrecht<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the pilot wave reference. But
of course if a particle is a wave then it would not need the
same sort of treatment.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I thought you might like that approach due
to your model. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But the personal struggle I have with your
model is simply that it does not tell us what particles are,
and my quest is to understand specifically that.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Warm Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Albrecht<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] light and particles group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Chip, hi all,<br>
<br>
regarding the ongoing confusion about the "wave structure"
of particles I would like to remind you all of the approach
of Louis de Broglie to this problem. In his view a particle
is a bullet surrounded by a "pilot wave" which accompanies
this bullet and guides it. - This approach was once strictly
rejected by Heisenberg. But John Bell writes in his famous
book "Speakable and Unspeakable in Quantum Mechanics" that
he has investigated the discussion about the pilot wave and
that he did not find any serious physical counter-arguments
to it. According to him, Heisenberg's activities against it
were nothing else but bashing of de Broglie.<br>
<br>
I like this approach of de Broglie. I like it particularly
because it fits seamlessly into my model of two orbiting
massless sub-particles.<br>
<br>
Albrecht<br>
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Am 24.01.2017 um 12:35 schrieb Chip Akins:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Chandra<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes. Momentum is measured as you
indicated.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But if the electron is a circulating
“wave structure”, and has the property of inertial mass,
then momentum is likely an inherent part of the “wave”
itself. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As we have discovered, the inherent
momentum of the confined wave can cause the property if
inertial mass, which further clearly illustrates why E=mc^2.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But since space is massless, there must
be a mechanism which creates momentum for these waves, which
is different from the way longitudinal momentum is carried
by a wave in a material medium made of particles of mass.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This more fundamental form of momentum
must be created without using mass, since no mass is present
in “empty” space.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So if this is how things work then we may
have the most fundamental form of energy = differential
displacement of space.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And now perhaps we have the most
fundamental form of momentum = delta Fc sine(theta) t = E/c.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If this is true then delta Fc/Fc = pi,
simply because that is the only form which yields the
correct momentum of such a wave.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roychoudhuri, Chandra<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 23, 2017 1:10 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:olive">Chip: I like your
thinking approach. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:olive"> Measurable
“momentum” arises through energy exchange between
scattering entities; specifically, when one of the entity
possess the “inertial property”, we call particles. And,
Newton correctly postulated that they tend to stay
“inertial”, “until acted upon by a force” (an entity that
can “donate” energy to create kinetic motion).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:olive">Chandra.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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General [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chip Akins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 23, 2017 9:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] light and particles
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Dr. Grahame Blackwell<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What I was considering is trying to
understand the mechanism for momentum in the propagation of
energy in space. Whether that energy is in the form of light
or confined in particles of matter. For if we can show
exactly how it is that momentum is a fundamental feature of
energy, as it moves in space, we then have specifically
identified and understood the source for inertial mass. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This may help us refine our models. I
think that it will help us understand Planck’s quantization
of action and its causes as well. This research has already
helped me understand how light can have both spin and
orbital angular momentum, and it may well lead to a better
grasp of other basic principles.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Other reasons for looking into this in
detail, are to better understand the correct set of wave
equations, and spin. To understand the causes for what we
observe. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I agree that a transfer of energy must
implicitly also transfer momentum. Momentum is a
measureable result of energy. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But to me E=hf means that more energetic
waves or particles are smaller. If that is correct then
there is a cause. Probably the simplest explanation is that
space has an inherent opposition to displacement, which
creates this force Fc I have been discussing. That is nice,
simply because this force is also perfectly suited to cause
confinement, not only of waves in space, but also of
elementary fermions. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So if we can explore this possibility
further, and create wave equations for waves which would be
caused by the displacement and this opposing force, complete
with momentum and all the other measurables, then we may
have foundations upon which we can model everything.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I do not think that wave interference is
sufficient to cause confinement. I have studied waves in
great detail and still find that more than self-interference
is required for confinement of waves into soliton
(circularly or spherically confined) solutions. So for me,
it seems that this equal and opposite reaction of space to
the displacement caused by energy is the only logical path
to explore.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is my hope (and intuition) that this
path will lead to understanding the mass formation
thresholds for electrons so that we might know why the
electron’s rest mass is the specific value we measure.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Hi
Chip,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">I
got a working copy, thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">I
see that of course you're going into far more intricate
details mathematically than I was looking at. In this
case, it seems to me, the question becomes: "How is it
that a photon travels through space?". As I've said,
once that's tied down the fact that it carries momentum
follows as a natural consequence.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">(To
some extent it depends on how one defines momentum.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Once more.<o:p></o:p></p>
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