<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5060">Chandra</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5061">I have a definite model - STOE</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5062">It has predicted in 2006 results of observations published in 2009.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5063">It has first formed an equation that predicted the outcome of an experiment that, when done, showed the results as predicted. (Hodge experiment that rejected wave models of light).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5064"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5065"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5066">I think you and others already accept a "pilor wave" type model - General relativity.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5067">Matter warps "space" (a continuous medium) and "space" directs matter The properties of "space" are the pilot wave medium of QM. The problem for Bohm is to identify the source of the wave. Consider a one photon at a time in Young's Experiment When the photon is between the mask and screen, things can become very complex regarding the pilot wave - or very simple. The simple is the photon creates the wave in the "space" like GR.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5068">Your tension field could be my plenum or GR's "space"?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_4992"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5069">Hodge</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5070"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1485313563591_5071"></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:04 PM, Albrecht <genmail@a-giese.de> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5815091258"><div>
<div class="yiv5815091258moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hi Chandra,<br clear="none">
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I think I have to explain here again the basics.<br clear="none">
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In my model, there are two sub-particles (I have called them
Basic Particles) which are multipoles build by charges of the
strong force. The multipoles are built in a way that they have a
potential minimum at a certain distance. This distance defines
the diameter of the particle. That is it. Both basic particles
do not have a mass and they orbit each other at the speed of
light. In this way they cause the relativistic dilation. The
inertial mass is caused by the fact that they are forced to have
a distance to each other. Every constellation which has </font><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">internally </font><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">a distance has inertia.
This is a very fundamental physical fact which cannot be
negated. The binding field extends to any direction which means
that this field surrounds the particle. As it is a multipole
field it has a limited range. And as both basic particles are
orbiting, this field is an alternating field. If the whole
elementary particle is in motion then this alternating field
accompanies the particle. This field fulfils the function of de
Broglie's pilot wave. It is a simple set up which does not cause
any difficult complications.<br clear="none">
The orbital motion is the cause of the spin of a particle. The
constancy of the spin is a consequence of this set up, also not
complicated. All particle properties follow from calculations
which are simple (not repeated here but on my web site) and they
are solely based on classical physics.The results are very
precise for the known particles like the leptons and quarks.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I shall stop this introduction here (and remind you that I have
represented it in Mexico and and San Diego every time and I am a
bit shocked that so little has reached the community). I present
this model here in Germany every year on physical conferences
since 2001 and my auditory is growing from year to year,
meanwhile I am filling the greater lecture halls at these
occasions. My web site about the topic "origin of mass" is
internationally the number one in all major search engines since
15 years, no physical institute in the world could ever compete
with it. So it is quite confusing for me that particularly in
this group I seems difficult to reach the members. <br clear="none">
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Of course I am willing to answer any questions but should stop
here for the moment.<br clear="none">
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Best regards<br clear="none">
Albrecht<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;">Hi Albrecht:
Greetings,</span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;">All of our
thoughts and models are evolving. Nobody has a definite
model, as yet, at least not me.</span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;">However, I
strongly disagree with the de Broglie “Pilot Wave” concept.
It demands extra unnecessary complexities. If this model is
to be a REAL physical one, then we would need a separate
physical pilot wave, guiding the physical “particle”. Built
out of what? This pilot wave expands with time making the
localization of the particle impossible after a very long
time!</span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;">In the tension
filed oscillating model, only the tension filed is the
physical field; the localized oscillation represent the
physical particle, emergent as a complex excited state of
the field. The oscillator does not expand its shape with
time. Otherwise free electrons and protons could not have
been tracked in long-path accelerators.
<b><i>Indeterminacy is limited only by our limited
capability to assign the right initial conditions, as in
the LHC or in other accelerators.
</i></b>Nature does not suffer from “Uncertainty
Principle”, like human math does!<b><i></i></b></span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;"> </span></i></b></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;">The grand <b>
<i>MISTAKE</i></b> of old times was the assumption that,
exp[iwt] = exp[i2.pi.ft] = exp.[i2.pi.(E/h)t], as in
Schrodinger’s equation, was thought to represent a “plane
wave”! Unfortunately, the expression represents
<b><i>any harmonic oscillator</i></b> – it could be a
pendulum, or an LCR circuit, and hence it can also represent
a localized a harmonic oscillator of a tension filed, albeit
complex in spatial structure. This is a conceptually simpler
model without the need for any well-trained “Pilot”, while
keeping Schrodinger very happy since “f” is the internal
harmonic frequency of the new “model” particle! De Broglie
would also have been happy with this model since he also
struggled for the rest of his life to make it more
realistic! We do have a more realistic concept; albeit, not
the final, detailed model.</span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext;">Chandra.
</span></div>
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<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">
General
[<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5815091258moz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Albrecht<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:34 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion
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<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">Hi Chip, hi all,<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
regarding the ongoing confusion about the "wave structure"
of particles I would like to remind you all of the approach
of Louis de Broglie to this problem. In his view a particle
is a bullet surrounded by a "pilot wave" which accompanies
this bullet and guides it. - This approach was once strictly
rejected by Heisenberg. But John Bell writes in his famous
book "Speakable and Unspeakable in Quantum Mechanics" that
he has investigated the discussion about the pilot wave and
that he did not find any serious physical counter-arguments
to it. According to him, Heisenberg's activities against it
were nothing else but bashing of de Broglie.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I like this approach of de Broglie. I like it particularly
because it fits seamlessly into my model of two orbiting
massless sub-particles.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Albrecht<br clear="none">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;"><br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Am 24.01.2017 um 12:35 schrieb Chip Akins:</span></div>
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<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">Hi Chandra</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">Yes. Momentum is measured as you
indicated.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">But if the electron is a circulating
“wave structure”, and has the property of inertial mass,
then momentum is likely an inherent part of the “wave”
itself.
</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">As we have discovered, the inherent
momentum of the confined wave can cause the property if
inertial mass, which further clearly illustrates why E=mc^2.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">But since space is massless, there must
be a mechanism which creates momentum for these waves, which
is different from the way longitudinal momentum is carried
by a wave in a material medium made of particles of mass.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">This more fundamental form of momentum
must be created without using mass, since no mass is present
in “empty” space.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">So if this is how things work then we may
have the most fundamental form of energy = differential
displacement of space.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">And now perhaps we have the most
fundamental form of momentum = delta Fc sine(theta) t = E/c.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">If this is true then delta Fc/Fc = pi,
simply because that is the only form which yields the
correct momentum of such a wave.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">Chip</div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roychoudhuri, Chandra<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 23, 2017 1:10 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
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<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:olive;">Chip: I like your
thinking approach.
</span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:olive;"> Measurable
“momentum” arises through energy exchange between
scattering entities; specifically, when one of the entity
possess the “inertial property”, we call particles. And,
Newton correctly postulated that they tend to stay
“inertial”, “until acted upon by a force” (an entity that
can “donate” energy to create kinetic motion).</span></div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:olive;">Chandra.</span></div>
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General [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chip Akins<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 23, 2017 9:28 AM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion'<br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] light and particles
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<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">Hi Dr. Grahame Blackwell</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">What I was considering is trying to
understand the mechanism for momentum in the propagation of
energy in space. Whether that energy is in the form of light
or confined in particles of matter. For if we can show
exactly how it is that momentum is a fundamental feature of
energy, as it moves in space, we then have specifically
identified and understood the source for inertial mass.
</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">This may help us refine our models. I
think that it will help us understand Planck’s quantization
of action and its causes as well. This research has already
helped me understand how light can have both spin and
orbital angular momentum, and it may well lead to a better
grasp of other basic principles.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">Other reasons for looking into this in
detail, are to better understand the correct set of wave
equations, and spin. To understand the causes for what we
observe.
</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">I agree that a transfer of energy must
implicitly also transfer momentum. Momentum is a
measureable result of energy.
</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">But to me E=hf means that more energetic
waves or particles are smaller. If that is correct then
there is a cause. Probably the simplest explanation is that
space has an inherent opposition to displacement, which
creates this force Fc I have been discussing. That is nice,
simply because this force is also perfectly suited to cause
confinement, not only of waves in space, but also of
elementary fermions.
</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">So if we can explore this possibility
further, and create wave equations for waves which would be
caused by the displacement and this opposing force, complete
with momentum and all the other measurables, then we may
have foundations upon which we can model everything.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">I do not think that wave interference is
sufficient to cause confinement. I have studied waves in
great detail and still find that more than self-interference
is required for confinement of waves into soliton
(circularly or spherically confined) solutions. So for me,
it seems that this equal and opposite reaction of space to
the displacement caused by energy is the only logical path
to explore.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">It is my hope (and intuition) that this
path will lead to understanding the mass formation
thresholds for electrons so that we might know why the
electron’s rest mass is the specific value we measure.</div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal">Chip</div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:40 PM<br clear="none">
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<div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Hi
Chip,</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I
got a working copy, thanks.</span></div>
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<div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I
see that of course you're going into far more intricate
details mathematically than I was looking at. In this
case, it seems to me, the question becomes: "How is it
that a photon travels through space?". As I've said,
once that's tied down the fact that it carries momentum
follows as a natural consequence.</span></div>
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<div>
<div class="yiv5815091258MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">(To
some extent it depends on how one defines momentum.)</span></div>
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