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<p>sorry I have been absent for a time:</p>
<p>kracklauer expresses a very important distinction between what we
actually see or measure and what we infer from those measurements.</p>
<p>I'm developing a physics of the observer and it is extremely
important to understand and even have an observational and
theoretical language as the Positivists proposed to keep what we
see and what we infer straight. Our perceptive system fuses our
visual sensation with a theoretical calculation or inference
displayed in our perceptive space. However we normally do not
notice because it happens too rapidly. So we say I see an apple.
No I see a red blob and infer from learned experience that the
blob should be collocated with a tangible object. Every predicate
refers in our language to a teoretical influence. I do NOT see an
apple, I infer an apple exists based upon what I do see. I've
even written a paper on the subject specifically in German. so far
the DUden people are not impressed, but they will be.<br>
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<p>Now back to gravity: I have a few more questions</p>
<p>Calculating the gravity force on a point particle in a symmetric
mass shell gives force balance , but any finite size particle will
have a net force that pulls a mass apart. because the attractive
force on the left side of the extended particle will be greater
from a distant mass on the left than a symmetric distant mass on
the right. the difference is proportional to the diameter of the
particle. It is a small effect if gravity passes through matter
unaffected but if the finite particle absorbs gravitational energy
it becomes larger. What holds and extended particle of mass like a
neutron together? <br>
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<p>If there are gravitons to carry gravity should they not get
absorbed and emitted by a receiver and sender? If yes then there
should be shielding? Does the Sun shield Mercury? <br>
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<p>I did the mc^2 = mGM/R calculation when one is in the center of
the surrounding mass shell, but we are not at the center of the
Universe or are we? If I do the off center calculation in an
expanding universe I no longer get symmetrically cancelling force
since the retarded potential from an earlier time will no longer
be equal to its opposite nearer and newer mass. However if I
assume infinite gravity speed things work out. Another argument
for action at a distance.<br>
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<p>Happy Easter</p>
<p>Wolf<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/13/2016 1:10 PM, Albrecht Giese
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag,
12. September 2016 um 16:59 Uhr<br>
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<p>Hi Al:</p>
<p>" <font color="#000099">"Photons" (given
anybody's definition) cannot be directly an object
of observation. PEROID.</font> "</p>
<p>In this case please explain the corresponding
process in my experiment, i.e. the detection of
photons by pair production where all necessary
physical quantities for an individual photon have
been conserved. The distance between generation and
detection was about 10 m.</p>
<p>AK: You didn't see any photons, rather the pair
after the split and infered what happend based on
the taget location and the cite of the 'pair
production' and their subsequent orbits in a bubble
chamber (or equivalent). [If I got the experiment
wrong, please describe the target and detection
apparatus.] BTW, respecting conservation laws does
not require direct observation of a means of
interaction between source charges and sink charges,
(modulo an uncharged---i.e. unobservable---sink
charge). <br>
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In the experiment photons have been generated having a certain
energy. 10 meters downstream an electron-positron-pair was
generated representing the same energy. So, there was some object
flying between the generation point and the detection point which
transported just that energy. And this object did not have any
charge. (Otherwise it would have been deflected away as there was
a strong magnetic field.)<br>
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If it should not have been a photon as you suspect, should we give
this object a different name? Do you propose a name? Then we could
have new physics. Existing physics tells us that it was a photon.
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<p>And hi Chandra:</p>
<p>Why can we not assume that the particles "photons"
have a "pilot wave" in the sense of de Broglie
around them as similarly have e.g. electrons and
neutrons? And those pilot waves follow similar rules
like the Maxwell equations?</p>
<p>AK: If the "pilot wve" itself is not of E&M
origin, what is it? How does it work? [Granted
deBroglie himself did not have specific models for
his pilot wave; but others have! For example, see
#11 on my web page, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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We could also use the understanding of present main stream
physics: All particles like photons, electrons, neutrons are a
particle and a wave at the same time. If we take the mode as wave
in case of the photon we can use Maxwell's equations to describe
the situation. - I like the pilot wave of de Broglie better as it
is perceptible by human imagination. In the case of the photon the
superposition of all pilot waves would in that case fulfil the
requirements of Maxwell's equations. Something equivalent should
happen to the superposition of the pilot waves of e.g. electrons
and neutrons. De Broglie did not specify what the pilot wave is
made of. He assumed his "waves of harmony" without further
specification. That sounds a bit mysterious. In the case of
hadrons those should be waves of the strong force. <br>
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