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<p>Albrecht:</p>
<p>First there have been so many E-mails I do not know which one you
want me to look at to understand your explanation. So please send
me a copy of it again.</p>
<p>Of course if there is some special to interpret Einstein's
intent that is not in Einstein's book then perhaps you are right
, <br>
</p>
<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">if you
are telling me that the only valid <font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">inertial frame is the frame of a third person
god like observer who is stationary before the tw<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">ins fire their rockets
and in that frame both of the twins doing exactly the same
thing would have exactly the same clock rates and therefore
they will have the elapsed time when they meet<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">.<br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">And further if
you are telling me that <font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">both twins must <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">realize that</font> their own
clock <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">is
slowing down</font> and the other twin's <font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">clock is also
slowing down because both <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">tw</font>ins must do their
calcu<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">lations
in this special initial god like 3d person frame
so both agree<br>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">And
further you are telling me that <font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">all the
talk about there not being a special <font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">inertial</font>
frame, and everything is relative </font></font></font><br>
</font>and neither twin </font> <font face="Times
New Roman, Times, serif">believ<font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">es he is </font></font>in <font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">his </font> o<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">w</font>n
inertial frame because <font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">neither feels <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">he is moving is a
misinterpretation of <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">SRT<br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">and
further that URL
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox</a><br>
</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br>
<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times
New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">"Starting with <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Langevin"
title="Paul Langevin">Paul Langevin</a> in
1911, there have been various explanations
of this paradox. These explanations "can be
grouped into those that focus on the effect
of different standards of simultaneity in
different frames, and those that designate
the acceleration [experienced by the
travelling twin] as the main reason...".<sup
id="cite_ref-Debs_Redhead_5-0"
class="reference"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox#cite_note-Debs_Redhead-5">[5]</a></sup>
<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_von_Laue"
title="Max von Laue">Max von Laue</a>
argued in 1913 that since the traveling twin
must be in two separate <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_frames"
class="mw-redirect" title="Inertial
frames">inertial frames</a>, one on the
way out and another on the way back, this
frame switch is the reason for the aging
difference, not the acceleration <i>per se</i>.<sup
id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox#cite_note-6">[6]</a></sup>
Explanations put forth by <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein"
title="Albert Einstein">Albert Einstein</a>
and <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Born"
title="Max Born">Max Born</a> invoked <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation"
title="Gravitational time dilation">gravitational
time dilation</a> to explain the aging as
a direct effect of acceleration.<sup
id="cite_ref-Jammer_7-0" class="reference"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox#cite_note-Jammer-7">[7]</a></sup>
General relativity is not necessary to
explain the twin paradox; special relativity
alone can explain the phenomenon.<sup
id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox#cite_note-8">[8]</a></sup><sup
id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox#cite_note-9">[9]</a></sup>.<sup
id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox#cite_note-10">[10]"'</a><br>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"
size="+2">Einstein and Born explanation<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">
i</font>s bull shit because in fact
there is a <font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">preferred</font>
inertial frame i.e the frame in which <font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">both
twins were <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">initially</font>
at rest </font><br>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">Then I agree with you.<br>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif" size="+1">But be careful what
you wish for because this <font
face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">leads to</font> my CAT
theory<font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"> that all objects
are created in the obserer<font
face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">'s space and the observer
always provides the fundamental
background in which both
Einsteins theory and Lorenz
theory and for that matter
maxwell's equations are valid. I
would love to have you agree
with <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">my</font>
object<font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">-</font>subject
integrated physics, which I am
developing. Look at my Vigier 10
paper to see I argued that <font
face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">Einsteins</font> <font
face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">imagination</font> was
he special background space in
which his thought experiment <font
face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">occurred<font
face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">.</font></font><br>
<br>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">PS: your
explanation is like Max von
Laue's only he <font
face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">did not use a
symmetric experiment
protocol and therefore
requires four reference
frame switches, which lead<font
face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"> me to ask
how is the frame change
implemented if not through
the <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">gravitational</font>
time dilation explanation
put forward by <font
face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">E</font>instein
and Born. </font></font></font></font></font>
</font><br>
</font></font></sup></font></font><br>
</font></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif"> we are getting clos<font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">er soon I'll show you that
the speed with which your particles move is the
speed of Now In CAT not the speed of light,
which is always changing and not at all
constant.</font></font></font></font></font><br>
</font></font></font></font></font>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/5/2017 7:15 AM, Albrecht Giese
wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="+1">Wolf,</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="+1">to
summarize: Einstein's book is not wrong, but if you use it in
a wrong way then the results are conflicting.<br>
</font></p>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="+1">Am 05.06.2017
um 04:26 schrieb Wolfgang Baer:</font>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif" size="+1">On 6/4/2017 9:40 AM, Albrecht Giese wrote:<br>
Each twin has two choices</font><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:910d6201-cd55-1d61-55cb-4906b9d653c0@a-giese.de"><font
size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times
New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">1.) <font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">He ignores physics. He travels forth
and back and when he is back ag<font face="Times
New Roman, Times, serif">ain, he meets t<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">win 2 and
can compare the clocks of both. They will
indicate the same time. So he will not see any
problem.<br>
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<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">He
does not ignore physics but ignores SRT. Both twins do
exactly the same thing and physics tells them to expect to
get the same result. </font></font><br>
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<br>
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type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:910d6201-cd55-1d61-55cb-4906b9d653c0@a-giese.de"><font
size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times
New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> <font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">2.) He
knows <strike>physics</strike> SRT and
partic<font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">ularly <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">special relativity.
And, to be clo<font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">se to your case,
he may define after his start his
frame of motion <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">as </font>the
<font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">reference frame. So in this
fram<font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">e his clock will run
with normal speed. </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></blockquote>
<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">His
frame of reference is his spaceship outfitted with real
meter sticks and real clocks. He looks outside and measures
the doppler shift from a predefined signal frequency and so
each one knows the other is moving away at velocity 'v'
relative to himself</font></font><br>
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<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Any rod
and any clock is according to Einstein related to one frame.
If one changes his frame, anything is new.</font></font>
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cite="mid:910d6201-cd55-1d61-55cb-4906b9d653c0@a-giese.de"><font
size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times
New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Then,
when<font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"> his retro rocket
has started, he will notic<font
face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">e the acceleration. He
knows that compared to his
previous state of motion he is
now movin<font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">g towards
t<font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">win 2 wi<font
face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">th a speed
which you have c<font
face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">alled v. </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></blockquote>
<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">His
frame of reference is still his spaceship outfitted with
real meter sticks and real clocks. He looks outside and
measures the doppler shift from a predefined signal
frequency and so each one knows the other is moving away at
velocity 'v' relative to himself only now the velocity is
toward each other.<br>
</font></font></blockquote>
<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">If he
still understands his spaceship as his frame after the retro
rocket has started then he leaves the conditions for the
validity of SRT.</font></font><br>
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type="cite"><font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif"> </font></font>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:910d6201-cd55-1d61-55cb-4906b9d653c0@a-giese.de"><font
size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times
New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font
face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif"><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">And as he
knows physics, he will be aware
of the fa<font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">ct <font
face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">that now h<font
face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">is own clock
will run differently than
before. </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></blockquote>
<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">No he
reads a book on special relativity written by Einstein that
tells him the other twins clock should run slow<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> than his own.</font></font></font><br>
</blockquote>
<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">f he rea<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">ds and understands
special relativity followin<font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif">g Einstein then he knows that now <i>also
his own clock </i>runs slower.</font></font></font></font></font><br>
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going on and if he
still takes his
original state of
motio<font face="Times
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face="Times New
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reference frame,
he has to<font
face="Times
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<font
face="Times
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that his clock
i<font
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<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Why
would he take his original state of motion as his reference
frame? That would be some imaginaty space ship still moving
away at velocity "v". His reference frame is his space ship<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">, something may have
effected its clocks and rods but his frame is his frame. </font>You
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">are</font> mak<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">ing</font> up a story
about his own clocks that are obviously running exactly the
way they always as far as his observations are concerned in
order to make the theory he read in the SRT book m<font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">ore valid than what
he <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">actually</font>
sees and can measure. </font></font></font><br>
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<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The
Lorentz transformation which we are talking about <font
face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">defines the
transformation from one (inertial) frame to another one. If
twin 1 takes <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">his
spaceship as his frame <i>a</i><font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif"><i>fter </i>the acceleration then
any facts from <font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">the<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">
time <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">before
</font></font></font>are <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">no longer <font face="Times New
Roman, Times, serif">of relevance. </font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br>
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On the other
hand, if he
wants to under<font
face="Times
New Roman,
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the situation
of <font
face="Times
New Roman,
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2 he has to
realize that
the speed of t<font
face="Times
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</b><font
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a slow down of
the clock </b><font
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t</b><font
face="Times
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2</b>. <font
face="Times
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</font>then,
after t<font
face="Times
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2 has <font
face="Times
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<font
face="Times
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retro rocket,
tw<font
face="Times
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<font
face="Times
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will have
speed = 0 with
respect to the
original frame
of <font
face="Times
New Roman,
Times, serif">twin<font
face="Times
New Roman,
Times, serif">
1. So the
clock of twin
2 will now <font
face="Times
New Roman,
Times, serif">run
in the normal
way. </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></blockquote>
<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Compared
with an imaginary frame<font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">. We and <font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Einstein
claimed to</font> deals with real rods and clocks</font></font></font></font><br>
</blockquote>
<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Any rod
and any clock is according to Einstein related to a frame and
makes no sense</font></font><font size="+1"><font face="Times
New Roman, Times, serif"> without such reference</font></font><font
size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">. If one
changes his frame, anything is new. The word "real" has a
limited meaning in that case. </font></font><br>
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<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">All
one has to do is to add to the protocol that each twin
should take a faximily of their own clocks and compare them
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<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Here
you misunderstand how dilation works. I have tried to show you
earlier that clock comparison is not so simple. If two
observers move with respect to each other, then in a naive
view the observer holding clock 1 would say that clock 2 runs
slower and at the same time the observer holding clock 2 would
say that clock 1 runs slower. This is as a fact logically not
possible. I have explained in the other mail how this
comparison works correctly so that the logical conflict does
not occur. Please look at that mail again and we can continue
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<font size="+1"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Einstein
is not wrong but you are using the Lorentz transformation in
an incorrect way. Please read the other mail again and we can
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