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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Hi chip,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I'm 100% with you on
this!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I really don't understand the notion
that 'the universe is an observer effect' - it makes no sense to me
whatsoever. By the same token, the notion that 'collapse of the
wavefunction' is precipitated by observation/measurement is to me quite fanciful
- for me there is a much more straightforward explanation for the phenomenon
referred to as 'wavefunction collapse' (which I don't believe to be a collapse
of any kind!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I'm sorry for not responding to your
previous post sooner; I was planning to send a comment, but have been fully
occupied with other pressing matters of late. My observation relates to
your thought experiment in which each 'twin' sees the other as travelling in a
large circle at high speed. For me there is no paradox at all in this from
the SR perspective (though like you, I am of the firm opinion that there
exists one unique objectively static rest-frame [subject to Hubble
expansion, of course], all other 'rest frames' are in motion in absoolute
terms).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>If one twin is seen by the other as
moving in a circle - however large - but regards themself as being at rest, then
they will instead experience a force which the other twin will regard as
acceleration towards the centre of the circle but that they themself will regard
as influence of a gravitational field (if you doubt this, just posit an
accelerometer on their ship with a readout that can be seen by, or communicated
to, their twin). That influence will be directly comparable with the
centripetal force of constant-speed circular motion and will be regarded by that
twin as causing identical time dilation for them c.f. one outside the
influence of that field. They will therefore expect their OWN clock to be
slowed by an exactly corresponding amount from the perspective of one not
subject to that 'gravitational field' - so they will fully expect their clock
and that of their twin to be retarded by a precisely-equal degree, and so that
both clocks would show identical times on comparison when again passing each
other.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>[As a point of detail, making it a
very BIG circle in no way reduces the validity of this analysis, it simply
requires more accurate instrumentation - as is always the case with regard to
details of SR & GR.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>As I said in my previous comment, it
very much appears to me that SR is 100% self-consistent mathematically.
This does not make it correct as a representation of physical reality - but
trying to discredit SR by attempting to find a flaw in the math is to me a
non-starter! SR will ONLY be shown to be an incorrect assumption (in
respect specifically of equivalence of all inertial reference frames) by
consideration of the energetic formation of particles (which can also be
approached indirectly by way of the Energy-Momentum Relation).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>[Another point of detail: I have
included a fairly exhaustive analysis of Hasselkamp et al's experiment in my
book: this shows that even so-called '2nd order Doppler effect' cannot be used
to detect motion of the earth wrt the objective universal rest state, no matter
how accurate readings or instrumentation. SR is a VERY tightly-meshed
cage!]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chipakins@gmail.com href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">Chip Akins</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">'Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 13, 2017 5:34
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] STR twin
Paradox</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Hi Chandra<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I don’t know if the others are not receiving my posts or if
they are just being ignored.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>The current exchange is quite disheartening
however.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>To postulate that an observer creates the universe he
experiences is absurd in so many ways, and counter to the evidence in so many
ways, that I cannot believe we have spent so much time in such a
discussion.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>All the evidence suggests the universe existed before
observers, and continues to exist as each of us dies. The universe does what
it does whether we observe it or not. We can only make very slight,
insignificant changes to the overall state of the universe. When we cause an
interaction to occur by observation, it has an effect, but that does not mean
that the universe is observer-centric. It just means that the universe does
what it does. When interactions occur a set of rules exist which govern
those interactions.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>In a universe which is in effect created in the mind of the
observer, I am the only observer that I know to exist. The rest of the
mentally imagined observers I interact with are figments of my mind. So it
does no good to communicate with those figments and try to convince those
imagined others of anything.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Experience indicates that this is not the type of universe
we live in. Other sentient minds are present, all of us finding that
Washington DC is located in the same spot and has the same buildings. We live
in a single universe which has many sentient minds all seeing principally the
same thing. We know this because we communicate with others, and compare
notes.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Once we understand the physics well enough we can see that
wave-function collapse is NOT required to explain an interaction. So the
reason for some quantum physicists overreaching and concluding that the
observer has a significant bearing on physics then is a mute
argument.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>We, as a species, seem to tend to look for the most
“mentally stimulating” explanations, rather than sticking to the scientific
approach, and looking for the most theoretically economical and practical
answers.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>The universe has many lessons for us embedded within.
One of the most striking lessons is the elegant simplicity of how everything
works. If we keep this elegant simplicity in mind as we look for the
rest of the answers, we are far more likely to find the right
answers.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Warmest Regards<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Charles (Chip) Akins<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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