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<p>Albrecht:</p>
<p>I hope to be able to show you that the quantitative result you
are looking for can also be achieved by realizing a completely
different model of ourselves , one in which we are a space of
parallel activity cycles and create within it's spatial cross
section the observations upon which Maxwells equations and the
Lorentz transformations are built. <br>
</p>
<p>I was hoping that by showing you pictures of Einsteins body
conceiving of observers in his mind that it would be clear that
classic electrodynamics and Einsteins interpretation of it are
always conceived in a background space of the observers mind , and
therefore we are discovering properties of our own way of
displaying things within a framework we cannot get out of. <br>
</p>
<p>As mentioned I am working on a book for Routledge in which I hope
to show the connection not only to the quantitative results your
desire, but to the quantitative results that would be applicable
to an expanded reality that incorporates the consciousness and
spirit of living beings and this integration of mind and body will
in my opinion open new vistas desperately needed in our correctly
materialistic constrained world.</p>
<p>So stay tuned</p>
<p>best wishes <br>
</p>
<p>wolf<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/11/2017 4:04 AM, Albrecht Giese
wrote:<br>
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<p>Wolf,</p>
<p>I have never denied that there is a difference between our
perception and a (possible) reality. What I always have said is
that this assumption does not help us in our attempt to
understand the world around us unless we understand the
difference between reality and our perception functionally, or
at least investigate our detectable errors in a <i>quantitative
</i>way.</p>
<p>This last discussion about the important question in
relativity, whether there is a frame at absolute rest, can
easily be treated if using the Lorentz Transformation. This L.T.
shows us <i>quantitatively</i>, in which way the results of
measurements are influenced by relativistic effects so that this
impression of a frame at rest is caused in any frame; and our
perception reacts similar to the measurement tools.</p>
<p>This was content of the discussion between Grahame and me.<br>
</p>
<p>And using your example of dilation: this dilation is a physical
fact in the frame at rest; but it is only perception in a frame
not at rest by the effect of relativistic synchronization, where
the way of synchronization is quantitatively given by the
Lorentz Transformation. <br>
</p>
<p>Albrecht<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.07.2017 um 08:03 schrieb
Wolfgang Baer:<br>
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<p>Graham;</p>
<p>I think you are saying something that I have been trying to
make clear to Albrecht which derives from my attempt to move
physics away from the Aristotelian belief that we see reality
through the windows of our senses and employ the Platonic
belief that we see the 'shadows" - in modern therms- we see
our interpretation of the measurement reports from our sensors
- in this case our body built in coordinate frame. I then
translate your statements into more anthropomorphic observer
inclusive language using larger font than your comments, <br>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">observer in a
moving frame would be led to believe from observation that
their frame is static</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="#000080">a consciousness inside a
moving body would </font><font face="Arial" color="#000080">
form his perceptive experience </font><font face="Arial"
color="#000080">believe he is stationary in that body</font><font
face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2"><br>
</font></p>
<p><br>
<font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2"> </font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">(a) time dilation
and (b) length contraction </font><font face="Arial"
color="#000080" size="2">in the absolutely static frame</font><br>
<font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">those two effects
are of course NOT objective realities in the static frame</font></p>
<p>When a conscious observer "sees" another reference frame it
is NOT an independent external reality but rather a mental
image inside his own perceptive experience. Therefore the time
dilation and length contraction is NOt an objective reality of
the static frame<br>
</p>
<p><br>
<font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">they are perceived
by the moving observer as a consequence of their OWN
motion).</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="#000080">But rather an artifact of
producing the perceptive image of the static frame in his
own mind</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">. <br>
</font></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/9/2017 11:50 AM, Albrecht
Giese wrote:<br>
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<p>Grahame,</p>
<p>so as you have explained 'reciprocity' here, it is also my
understanding. <br>
</p>
<p>Sorry, I missed your book. Can you please give me a
reference (if it is in the internet) or the exact title and
editor, if it is only available as a hard copy?</p>
<p>One question in advance: Does the book also cover GRT? And
if this is the case, is it also based on a fixed frame, so
that it assumes something like an ether? <br>
</p>
<p>Best regards<br>
Albrecht<br>
</p>
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Grahame Blackwell:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">Albrecht,</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">I'd agree
with all that you say here. I'd add just one reminder,
of what we've talked about before.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">For the
'unique absolute rest frame' to fully stand up to
scrutiny in the light of experimental findings of SR,
it's not only necessary to show that an observer in a
moving frame would be led to believe from observation
that their frame is static - it's also necessary to show
that this moving observer would perceive the SAME degree
of (a) time dilation and (b) length contraction in the
absolutely static frame as would be seen from that
static frame in the observer's frame (those two effects
are of course NOT objective realities in the static
frame, they are perceived by the moving observer as a
consequence of their OWN motion).</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">To show
that the moving observer perceives themself as static is
relatively (!!) easy; to show that they perceive an
actually-static frame as subject to relativistic effects
takes a little more thought - but it can be done, and
shown to be so. [This is what I have referred to
previously as 'reciprocity'.]</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">In
addition, of course, it needs to be - and CAN be - shown
how EVERY experimental finding that's considered to be
evidence for frame symmetry can be fully explained
without any need for, or reference to, frame symmetry.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">No
paradoxes - just a little more thought than most
physicists appear to have wished to put into explaining
the 'how' of Relativity (which is what I always thought
physics was actually about - explaining the 'how'?)</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">All of this
is shown in detail in my latest book, published last
year.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">Best
regards,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2">Grahame</font></div>
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<p>Chip,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I also think that it is the easiest and most physical
way to understand relativity in general and dilation in
particular, if one assumes that there is an absolute
frame of rest, and that the motion with respect to this
frame causes (among other phenomena) dilation. But it is
a specific property of relativity that every observer in
any inertial frame can assume that his frame is the
frame at rest. And in his observation the physical world
behaves indeed as if his frame would be the absolute
frame at rest.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>This sounds like a paradox at the first glance. But
with a proper use of the Lorentz transformation it can
be explained why it is this way. It is a bit of work to
make these calculations, but it is possible and one may
say that this work is a necessity to understand special
relativity.</p>
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<p>Albrecht</p>
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