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<p>John:</p>
<p>Yes game changing predictions would be the holy grail <br>
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<p>At this stage of development I'm only at the stage of identifying
errors and simplifications in physics that lead to alternative
explanations based on the inclusion of the observer as a physical
participant in our experiments <br>
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<p>However your reference to the Greek fires of light illuminating
the world reminds me of reading Leonardo daVinchi's notebooks when
he pointed out the speed of thought as opposite the speed of
light. Or Licrucias(SP) the first Roman scientist asking why ores
bend when they are put in water.</p>
<p>There was a time when we understood the difference between what
we see and the reality we believe that causes our appearances.
Light travels from surfaces into our eyes and we project the
surface back out there. As long as we collapse these two separate
phenomena into one , and loose the ability to distinguish between
what we see and how we explain it - then we will be making
mistakes in our theories <br>
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<p>Right now I'm just overwhelmed with the magnitude of mistakes <br>
</p>
<p>But I have pursued some game changing experimental possibilities
- Eric Reiter's experiment with loading theory insead of photons
is one, cahill's experiment connecting Z-diode random fluctuations
with gravitational flow fluctuations is another either or both
would destroy both quantum and relativity theory, but so far they
have not been carried out rigorously, rebels do not get a lot of
funding , it takes time. <br>
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<p>Best wishes, <br>
</p>
<p>Wolf<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/2017 9:53 AM, Hodge John wrote:<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500481557954_3567">Wolf, Viv,
Albrecht:</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500481557954_3568">We're approaching
the philosophy of physics. I suggest physics is studied to be
useful for humankind to survive. To be useful, the knowledge
must reflect observations - the workings of the universe
(nature). Usefulness is demonstrated by prediction. A game
changing prediction is one that rejects current models, also.
So the questions for any new model is "what is the prediction"
and "did the observation happen after the prediction". </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500481557954_3569">Humanity doesn't
know how to build a universe. Therefore, our science is
flawed. </div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500481557954_3570">Ancient Greeks
suggest the eyes had fires in them. These fires illuminated
the universe (a few thousand light years in diameter) upon
opening a person's eyes. That is, emitted photons sent out
from the eyes, interacted with the universe, were reflected to
the eyes, modified something in eyes, which sent signals to
the brain. Now, the prevailing opinion is the eyes are passive
receptors that receive photons that modify the chemicals in
the eye cells. I suggest the definition of "observation" is
the crux of the discussion - seems you each are using
different different definitions.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500481557954_3571">So, Wolf, what
game changing predictions?</div>
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