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<p>Chandra,</p>
<p>you have written here a lot of good and true considerations; with
most of them I can agree. However two comments from my view:</p>
<p>1.) The speed of light: <br>
The speed of light when <i>measured in vacuum </i>shows always a
constant value. Einstein has taken this result as a fact in so far
that the real speed of light is constant. However if we follow the
Lorentzian interpretation of relativity then only the <i>measured
</i>c is constant. It looks constant because, if the measurement
equipment is in motion, the instruments change their indications
so that the result shows the known constant value. - I personally
follow the Lorentzian relativity because in this version the
relativistic phenomena can be deduced from known physical
behaviour. So, it is true physics.<br>
</p>
<p>There is a different understanding of what Wolf thinks. He has in
the preceding discussion here given an equation, according to
which the speed of light can go up to infinity. This is to my
knowledge in conflict with any measurement.<br>
</p>
<p>2) The quantisation of light:<br>
This was also discussed repeatedly here in these mails. And I have
(also) repeatedly referred to my PhD experiment, which was Compton
scattering at protons. An electron of defined energy was
converted into a photon. The photon was scattered at a proton at
extreme small angles (so almost no influence) and then
re-converted into an electron-positron pair. This pair was
measured and it reproduced quite exactly (by better than 2
percent) the energy of the originals electron. This was repeated
for electrons of different energies. - I do not see any
explanation for this process without the assumption that there was
a photon (i.e. a quantum) of a well defined energy, not a light
wave. <br>
</p>
<p>How does this fit into your understanding?</p>
<p>Best wishes<br>
Albrecht</p>
<p>PS: Can I find your book "Causal Physics" online?<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.07.2017 um 18:52 schrieb
Roychoudhuri, Chandra:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wolf: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You have said it well:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>“Concentrating on finding the mechanisms
of connection between the Hallucination and the reality is
my approach. I think the constant speed of light assumption
is one of the first pillars that must fall. If there is such
a constant it should in my opinion be interpreted as the
speed of Now…”. <o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, “constant c” is a fundamentally flawed
postulate by the theoretician Einstein, so fond of “Gedanken
Experiments”. Unfortunately, one can cook up wide varieties of
logically self-consistent mathematical theories and then match
them up with “Gedanken” experiments! We know that in the real
world, we know that the velocity of light is dictated by both
the medium and the velocity of the medium. Apparently,
Einstein’s “Gedanken Experiment” of riding the crest of a
light wave inspired him to construct SRT and sold all the
mathematical physicists that nature if 4-diemsional. Out of
the “Messiah Complex”, we now believe that the universe could
be 5, or, 7, or 11, or, 13, …. dimensional system where many
of the dimensions are “folded in” !!!! By the way, running
time is not a measurable physical parameter. We can contract
or dilate frequency of diverse oscillators, using proper
physical influence, not the running time. Frequency of
oscillators help us measure a period (or time interval). <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Wise human thinkers have recognized this
“Hallucination” problem from ancient times, which are obvious
(i) from Asian perspective of how five blinds can collaborate
to construct a reasonable model of the Cosmic Elephant and
then keep on iterating the model ad infinitum, or (ii) Western
perspective of “shadows of external objects projected inside a
cave wall”. Unfortunately, we become “groupies” of our
contemporary “messiahs” to survive economically and feel
“belonging to the sociaety”. The result is the current sad
state of moribund physics thinking. Fortunately, many people
have started challenging this moribund status quo with papers,
books, and web forums. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So, I see well-recognizable renaissance in
physics coming within a few decades! Yes, it will take time.
Einstein’s “indivisible quanta” of 1905 still dominates our
vocabulary; even though no optical engineer ever try to
propagate an “indivisible quanta”; they always propagate light
waves. Unfortunately, they propagate Fourier monochromatic
modes that neither exits in nature; nor is a causal signal. [I
have been trying to correct this fundamental confusion through
my book, “Causal Physics”.]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Coming back to our methodology of thinking,
I have defined an iterative approach in the Ch.12 of the above
book. I have now generalized the approach by anchoring our
sustainable evolution to remain anchored with the reality of
nature! “Urgency of Evolution Process Congruent Thinking” [see
attached].<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">However, one can immediately bring a
challenge. If all our interpretations are cooked up by our
neural network for survival; then who has the authority to
define objective reality? Everybody, but collaboratively, like
modeling the “Cosmic Elephant”.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let us realize the fact that the seeing
“color” is an interpretation by the brain. It is a complete
figment of our neuro-genetic interpretation! That is why none
of us will succeed in quantitatively defining the subtlety of
color variation of any magnificent color painting without a
quantitative spectrometer. The “color” is not an objective
parameter; but the frequency is (not wavelength, though!). One
can now recognize the subtle difference, from seeing “color”,
to <b><i>quantifying energy content per frequency interval.</i></b>
This is “objective” science determined by instruments without
a “mind”, which is reproducible outside of human
interpretations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And, we have already mastered this
technology quite a bit. The biosphere exists. It has been
nurturing biological lives for over 3.5 billion years without
the intervention of humans. We are a very late product of this
evolution. This is an objective recognition on our part! Our,
successful evolution needed “instantaneous color” recognition
to survive for our day-to-day living in our earlier stage. We
have now overcome our survival mode as a species. And we now
have become a pest in the biosphere, instead of becoming the
caretaker of it for our own long-term future. <b><i>This is
the sad break in our wisdom.</i></b> This is why I am
promoting the concept, “Urgency of Evolution Process Congruent
Thinking”. This approach helps generate a common, but
perpetually evolving thinking platform for all thinkers,
whether working to understand Nature’s Engineering (Physics,
Chemistry, Biology, etc.) or, to carry out our Social
Engineering (Economics, Politics, Religions, etc.).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chandra.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
General
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Wolfgang Baer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Role of observer, a deeper
path to introspection<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Chandra:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Unfortunately the TED talk does not work on my machine but
the transcript is available and Anl Seth states what many
people studying the human psyche as well as eastern philosophy
have said for centuries , Yes we are Hallucinating reality and
our physics is built upon that hallucination, but it works so
well, or does it? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>However as Don Hoffmancognitive scientist UC Irvine
contends <a
href="https://www.ted.com/talks/donald_hoffman_do_we_see_reality_as_it_is"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.ted.com/talks/donald_hoffman_do_we_see_reality_as_it_is</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>What we see is like the icons on a computer screen, a file
icon may only be a symbol of what is real on the disk, but
these icons as well as the "hallucinations" are connected to
some reality and we must take them seriously. Deleting the
icon also deletes the disk which may have disastrous
consequences.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>For our discussion group it means we can take Albrechts route
and try to understand the universe and photons first based
upon the idea that it is independently real and then solve the
human consciousness problem or we can take the opposite
approach and rebuild a physics without the independent
physical reality assumption and see if we cannot build out a
truly macroscopic quantum theory. Concentrating on finding the
mechanisms of connection between the Hallucination and the
reality is my approach. I think the constant speed of light
assumption is one of the first pillars that must fall. If
there is such a constant it should in my opinion be
interpreted as the speed of Now , a property we individually
apply to all our observations. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>best<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Wolf<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7/23/2017 2:44 PM, Roychoudhuri,
Chandra wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Dear
colleagues:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Lately
there has been continuing discussion on the role of
observer and the reality. I view that to be healthy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">We must
guide ourselves to understand and model the universe
without human mind shaping the cosmic system and its
working rules. This suggestion comes from the fact that
our own logic puts the universe to be at least 13 billion
years old, while we, in the human form, have started
evolving barely 5 million years ago (give or take). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">However,
we are not smart enough to determine a well-defined and
decisive path, as yet. Our search must accommodate
perpetual iteration of thinking strategy as we keep on
advancing. This is well justified in the following
TED-talk. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Enjoy:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><a
href="https://www.ted.com/talks/anil_seth_how_your_brain_hallucinates_your_conscious_reality?utm_source=newsletter_weekly_2017-07-22&utm_campaign=newsletter_weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_content=talk_of_the_week_image"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ted.com/talks/anil_seth_how_your_brain_hallucinates_your_conscious_reality?utm_source=newsletter_weekly_2017-07-22&utm_campaign=newsletter_weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_content=talk_of_the_week_image</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Chandra.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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