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<p>Wolf,</p>
<p>in my mail of July 6 I have explained that any particle
accelerator and particularly a synchrotron is a permanent check
for the speed of light, and in particular also a check of the
Lorentz transformation where it describes the behaviour of an
object being accelerated towards c. And that a behaviour of
physics regarding c different from the Lorentz transformation
would require a different design of particle accelerators. So, the
opinion of main stream regarded the measured value of the speed of
light is permanently confirmed.<br>
</p>
<p>And in your mail of July 4 you presented the following equation
for the speed of light:<br>
c<sup>2</sup> = c<sub>0</sub><sup>2</sup> *(1/(1-v<sup>2</sup>/c<sub>0</sub><sup>2</sup>)<sup>1/2</sup>).<br>
What ever the conditions for this equation should be, there exist
conditions for c to go to infinity. To this equation I have
referred. <br>
</p>
<p>Albrecht<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 29.07.2017 um 08:21 schrieb Wolfgang
Baer:<br>
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<p>Clarification: <br>
</p>
<p> I have submitted equations in which the approximation of (
+2mm<sub>l</sub>G/r -2mc<sup>2</sup>- mv<sup>2</sup>)<sup>-1/2</sup>
=<sup> </sup>~ <sup> </sup>1/2 mv<sup>2</sup> + mc<sup>2</sup>
-mm<sub>l</sub>G/r</p>
<p>So that simply by recognizing that mc<sup>2 </sup>is the
classic potential energy inside a mass shell -m *Mu* G/Ru
ofthe Universe we get a very simple cosmology that is completely
consistent with all known experiments - the assumption is simply
that the speed of light as a surrogate for the speed of all
electromagnetic phenomena is dependent upon the gravitational
potential which was shown by Shapiro's experiments. and light
bending.and clock slow downs. I interpret c<sup>2</sup> is the
universe escape velocity. <br>
</p>
<p>This does not mean the speed of light is infinite but only that
if we could get outside the mass shell in flat space where the
gravitational energy of the universe mass is zero the speed of
light is some reference c<sub>0</sub><sup>2</sup> In both case
the speed of lighjt and the energy is only determined to an
arbitrary reference constant what is important is the relative
energy or speed of light <br>
</p>
<p>I'm tired of not being recognized as an intelligent physicist
doing physics. I'm only claiming that the the first order
approximation is all I know that has been experimentally
verified length contraction and close to speed of light
experiments are only verified through circular reasoning <br>
</p>
<p>I have asked Albrecht for references to experiments that show
otherwise a half dozen times but am always ignored <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>wolf<br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
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tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/28/2017 8:54 AM, Albrecht Giese
wrote:<br>
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<p>Chandra,</p>
<p>you have written here a lot of good and true considerations;
with most of them I can agree. However two comments from my
view:</p>
<p>1.) The speed of light: <br>
The speed of light when <i>measured in vacuum </i>shows
always a constant value. Einstein has taken this result as a
fact in so far that the real speed of light is constant.
However if we follow the Lorentzian interpretation of
relativity then only the <i>measured </i>c is constant. It
looks constant because, if the measurement equipment is in
motion, the instruments change their indications so that the
result shows the known constant value. - I personally follow
the Lorentzian relativity because in this version the
relativistic phenomena can be deduced from known physical
behaviour. So, it is true physics.<br>
</p>
<p>There is a different understanding of what Wolf thinks. He
has in the preceding discussion here given an equation,
according to which the speed of light can go up to infinity.
This is to my knowledge in conflict with any measurement.<br>
</p>
<p>2) The quantisation of light:<br>
This was also discussed repeatedly here in these mails. And I
have (also) repeatedly referred to my PhD experiment, which
was Compton scattering at protons. An electron of defined
energy was converted into a photon. The photon was scattered
at a proton at extreme small angles (so almost no influence)
and then re-converted into an electron-positron pair. This
pair was measured and it reproduced quite exactly (by better
than 2 percent) the energy of the originals electron. This was
repeated for electrons of different energies. - I do not see
any explanation for this process without the assumption that
there was a photon (i.e. a quantum) of a well defined energy,
not a light wave. <br>
</p>
<p>How does this fit into your understanding?</p>
<p>Best wishes<br>
Albrecht</p>
<p>PS: Can I find your book "Causal Physics" online?<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.07.2017 um 18:52 schrieb
Roychoudhuri, Chandra:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wolf: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You have said it well:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>“Concentrating on finding the
mechanisms of connection between the Hallucination and
the reality is my approach. I think the constant speed
of light assumption is one of the first pillars that
must fall. If there is such a constant it should in my
opinion be interpreted as the speed of Now…”. <o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, “constant c” is a fundamentally
flawed postulate by the theoretician Einstein, so fond of
“Gedanken Experiments”. Unfortunately, one can cook up
wide varieties of logically self-consistent mathematical
theories and then match them up with “Gedanken”
experiments! We know that in the real world, we know that
the velocity of light is dictated by both the medium and
the velocity of the medium. Apparently, Einstein’s
“Gedanken Experiment” of riding the crest of a light wave
inspired him to construct SRT and sold all the
mathematical physicists that nature if 4-diemsional. Out
of the “Messiah Complex”, we now believe that the universe
could be 5, or, 7, or 11, or, 13, …. dimensional system
where many of the dimensions are “folded in” !!!! By the
way, running time is not a measurable physical parameter.
We can contract or dilate frequency of diverse
oscillators, using proper physical influence, not the
running time. Frequency of oscillators help us measure a
period (or time interval). <span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Wise human thinkers have recognized
this “Hallucination” problem from ancient times, which are
obvious (i) from Asian perspective of how five blinds can
collaborate to construct a reasonable model of the Cosmic
Elephant and then keep on iterating the model ad
infinitum, or (ii) Western perspective of “shadows of
external objects projected inside a cave wall”.
Unfortunately, we become “groupies” of our contemporary
“messiahs” to survive economically and feel “belonging to
the sociaety”. The result is the current sad state of
moribund physics thinking. Fortunately, many people have
started challenging this moribund status quo with papers,
books, and web forums. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So, I see well-recognizable renaissance
in physics coming within a few decades! Yes, it will take
time. Einstein’s “indivisible quanta” of 1905 still
dominates our vocabulary; even though no optical engineer
ever try to propagate an “indivisible quanta”; they always
propagate light waves. Unfortunately, they propagate
Fourier monochromatic modes that neither exits in nature;
nor is a causal signal. [I have been trying to correct
this fundamental confusion through my book, “Causal
Physics”.]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Coming back to our methodology of
thinking, I have defined an iterative approach in the
Ch.12 of the above book. I have now generalized the
approach by anchoring our sustainable evolution to remain
anchored with the reality of nature! “Urgency of Evolution
Process Congruent Thinking” [see attached].<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">However, one can immediately bring a
challenge. If all our interpretations are cooked up by our
neural network for survival; then who has the authority to
define objective reality? Everybody, but collaboratively,
like modeling the “Cosmic Elephant”.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let us realize the fact that the seeing
“color” is an interpretation by the brain. It is a
complete figment of our neuro-genetic interpretation! That
is why none of us will succeed in quantitatively defining
the subtlety of color variation of any magnificent color
painting without a quantitative spectrometer. The “color”
is not an objective parameter; but the frequency is (not
wavelength, though!). One can now recognize the subtle
difference, from seeing “color”, to <b><i>quantifying
energy content per frequency interval.</i></b> This is
“objective” science determined by instruments without a
“mind”, which is reproducible outside of human
interpretations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And, we have already mastered this
technology quite a bit. The biosphere exists. It has been
nurturing biological lives for over 3.5 billion years
without the intervention of humans. We are a very late
product of this evolution. This is an objective
recognition on our part! Our, successful evolution needed
“instantaneous color” recognition to survive for our
day-to-day living in our earlier stage. We have now
overcome our survival mode as a species. And we now have
become a pest in the biosphere, instead of becoming the
caretaker of it for our own long-term future. <b><i>This
is the sad break in our wisdom.</i></b> This is why I
am promoting the concept, “Urgency of Evolution Process
Congruent Thinking”. This approach helps generate a
common, but perpetually evolving thinking platform for all
thinkers, whether working to understand Nature’s
Engineering (Physics, Chemistry, Biology, etc.) or, to
carry out our Social Engineering (Economics, Politics,
Religions, etc.).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chandra.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
General [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Wolfgang Baer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Role of observer, a
deeper path to introspection<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Chandra:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Unfortunately the TED talk does not work on my machine
but the transcript is available and Anl Seth states what
many people studying the human psyche as well as eastern
philosophy have said for centuries , Yes we are
Hallucinating reality and our physics is built upon that
hallucination, but it works so well, or does it? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>However as Don Hoffmancognitive scientist UC Irvine
contends <a
href="https://www.ted.com/talks/donald_hoffman_do_we_see_reality_as_it_is"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.ted.com/talks/donald_hoffman_do_we_see_reality_as_it_is</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>What we see is like the icons on a computer screen, a
file icon may only be a symbol of what is real on the
disk, but these icons as well as the "hallucinations" are
connected to some reality and we must take them seriously.
Deleting the icon also deletes the disk which may have
disastrous consequences.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>For our discussion group it means we can take Albrechts
route and try to understand the universe and photons first
based upon the idea that it is independently real and then
solve the human consciousness problem or we can take the
opposite approach and rebuild a physics without the
independent physical reality assumption and see if we
cannot build out a truly macroscopic quantum theory.
Concentrating on finding the mechanisms of connection
between the Hallucination and the reality is my approach.
I think the constant speed of light assumption is one of
the first pillars that must fall. If there is such a
constant it should in my opinion be interpreted as the
speed of Now , a property we individually apply to all our
observations. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>best<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Wolf<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7/23/2017 2:44 PM, Roychoudhuri,
Chandra wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Dear
colleagues:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Lately
there has been continuing discussion on the role of
observer and the reality. I view that to be healthy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">We
must guide ourselves to understand and model the
universe without human mind shaping the cosmic system
and its working rules. This suggestion comes from the
fact that our own logic puts the universe to be at
least 13 billion years old, while we, in the human
form, have started evolving barely 5 million years ago
(give or take). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">However,
we are not smart enough to determine a well-defined
and decisive path, as yet. Our search must accommodate
perpetual iteration of thinking strategy as we keep on
advancing. This is well justified in the following
TED-talk. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Enjoy:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><a
href="https://www.ted.com/talks/anil_seth_how_your_brain_hallucinates_your_conscious_reality?utm_source=newsletter_weekly_2017-07-22&utm_campaign=newsletter_weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_content=talk_of_the_week_image"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ted.com/talks/anil_seth_how_your_brain_hallucinates_your_conscious_reality?utm_source=newsletter_weekly_2017-07-22&utm_campaign=newsletter_weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_content=talk_of_the_week_image</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Chandra.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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